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Dec 10, 2007 @ 5:23 PM Ladies:Which is the lesser of two "evils"

Thor1960303

Posts: 1,876 Been going through these threads on sex with committment vs. sex without committment.The general conclusion is that men and women seek sex differently due to biological and environemntal social differences.Women want committment with sex,men just want sex(yes,this is a generalization).

Women get frustrated with men and say,"If the guy doesn't want commitment,he should just go hire a prostitute".I say,fine,OK.Legalize and destigmatize it(and make it reasonably affordable for the working man) and let's encourage these guys who don't want to commit,to go hire these professionals.

Yet,in the western man's social circles,hiring a hooker is seen as something less of a "manly" thing to do.It's kind of like the "slut" stigma women get if they screw around without a monogamous commitment.Men in general tend to look at the man hiring the hooker as something of a desperate loser.What's much more respected and revered in male circles is the stud man who makes many conquests,the guy who can turn on the charm and within a matter of hours have the woman in bed.When the woman is jilted after being "used",the peers will often laugh at this while giving Mr. Stud Man the high five.

So ladies,which one in lesser evil?The man who can charm women into bed and thus leave a trail of broken hearts or the desperate loser that hires the hooker?

Dec 11, 2007 @ 6:58 AM Ladies:Which is the lesser of two "evils"

Angel178

Posts: 22,953 Neither is less than the other.
I think that they both seem pretty pathetic.
Just my opinion

Dec 11, 2007 @ 8:24 AM Ladies:Which is the lesser of two "evils"

katydid438

Posts: 6,773 Neither scenario is very nice, but the man who pays for the service isn't just looking for a free piece of a$$. Less of a user IMO.

Dec 11, 2007 @ 8:48 AM Ladies:Which is the lesser of two "evils"

Blondredhead61

Posts: 10 Personally, I'm all for the legalization of prostitution IF the brothels are run the way they do in Europe & Nevada.

The men & women are tested regularly, condoms MUST be used and it would prevent a lot of broken hearts. I'd rather have a inexperienced man learn in a safe environment how to please a woman sexually and vice versa. Why not have a safe place for women to go when you need an itch scratched instead of a one night stand with a stranger? No one has to know. Wouldn't it be nice to have a place to practice your "skills" ?Then maybe men would complain less about lousy blow jobs. And less men would need a GPS sytem to find the clitoris.LOL!

Now if someone is dumb enough to think the hooker loves them- the way that some men fall for strippers- that's a different story.

Dec 11, 2007 @ 9:41 AM Ladies:Which is the lesser of two "evils"

candylily

Posts: 1,347 I guess it depends on whether the guy is married or single. If he's single, I personally think it would be more honorable of him to go to a prostitute if the only thing he has on his mind is sex and he's deliberately deceiving women to get it. I personally wish they would go ahead and pay for cyber or phone sex too and not try to get it for free from women who have made the mistake of giving them their messenger id's or phone numbers. But for married men who want to cheat, I'm glad prostitution isn't legal. Having affairs is riskier and he's more likely to get caught and I think it's a good thing that married men usually have to at least weigh the risks before cheating. It shouldn't be easy for them.

Dec 11, 2007 @ 9:48 AM Ladies:Which is the lesser of two "evils"

McLovin450

Posts: 297 Prostitution is prostitution, whether you are exchanging sex for money, dinners, credit cards, a place to live, etc, etc.

It goes on ALOT. People dont like to admit it, but it does.

Dec 11, 2007 @ 10:09 AM Ladies:Which is the lesser of two "evils"

candylily

Posts: 1,347 Most women don't have sex in exchange for gifts, dinners, use of credits cards, or a place to live. We have sex because we care about the guy as a person, we're physically attracted to him, and and we're probably open to the possibility of a serious relationship with him if we both want it. If that weren't the case, we would all be willing to have sex with any guy who can afford our price. Not all women can be bought but sometimes we may wish later that we had charged for sex with certain guys.

Dec 11, 2007 @ 10:12 AM Ladies:Which is the lesser of two "evils"

McLovin450

Posts: 297 Denial will get you nowhere.

Everyone knows this is true.

Dec 11, 2007 @ 10:21 AM Ladies:Which is the lesser of two "evils"

candylily

Posts: 1,347 My husband used to hurt my feelings by saying things like, "Yes, she's pretty, but you can't afford her." I worked my butt off to help pay for everything we had and to keep it nice. I didn't appreciate him taking all the credit for our financial success and implying that he had bought me.

Dec 11, 2007 @ 10:22 AM Ladies:Which is the lesser of two "evils"

drs297

Posts: 4,376 marriage is like prostitution.. It cost and cost and in the end you get a big ol screwing..

Dec 11, 2007 @ 10:26 AM Ladies:Which is the lesser of two "evils"

candylily

Posts: 1,347 Yes, in the end I certainly did. He got mad that I left and he destroyed me financially.

Dec 11, 2007 @ 10:32 AM Ladies:Which is the lesser of two "evils"

McLovin450

Posts: 297
he destroyed me financially

Just curious, but what was his profession? What was yours?

Dec 11, 2007 @ 10:43 AM Ladies:Which is the lesser of two "evils"

candylily

Posts: 1,347 When we met, we both worked in factories and we had each bought our own homes. When we got married, neither of us wanted to live in the other's house so we bought a beautiful house in the country but the market was slow so when our old houses didn't sell, we rented them out. My job ended when the factory I worked in relocated down south as we both knew it was going to before we got married. I was the one who sat down at the computer one day and ran the numbers on a spreadsheet and figured out we could refinance the original houses and buy more with the money and we ended up with 10 houses. I went to the banks to show them my plan, I picked out the houses for him to go look at with a realtor after I had already decided which ones were good investments, and I was the one who spent hours and hours painting and doing minor repairs. After that I was the one who kept the books, did the taxes, and selected the tenants. It was his paycheck that the banks used to approve the financing, but the houses paid for themselves after that. Any more questions?

Dec 11, 2007 @ 10:52 AM Ladies:Which is the lesser of two "evils"

McLovin450

Posts: 297 So how did he destroy you financially after the divorce?

I would assume you got half of the houses, since they were acquired together while you were married. Did it destroy him financially as well? Was it related to your loss of the factory job while his remained (or did it)?

Im just curious, not trying to make you mad, and if you feel more comfortable discussing it in email, please feel free.

Dec 11, 2007 @ 11:25 AM Ladies:Which is the lesser of two "evils"

candylily

Posts: 1,347 He promised to kill me if I didn't go back home and he meant it. I decided the best course of action was to disappear and stay alive. I asked my attorney to appoint a neutral third party to manage our rentals but she didn't. With me out of town and in hiding, he continued to collect all the rent money but he didn't pay any mortgages at all, not even on our home that he still lived in. Until I closed my account, the bank took that out of my account leaving me no money for rent when I moved. It didn't take long for the banks to start foreclosure proceedings. Meanwhile he had all those months (and even years in some cases because I had paid ahead) of rental income without paying a dime in mortgages. Houses were sold for practically nothing to avoid foreclosures, but that was fine with him. He got his money up front collecting rents. Less than a week after I left town, he also took the maximum cash advance on the only credit card I had kept and which was in my name only. I had only kept that one because they assured me he couldn't access it. All of that is on my credit report. He died March 1 and he didn't bother to ask me to forgive him first, but my brother told me last week I should probably try to forgive him anyway. I haven't quite succeeded yet, but I'm trying.
We are way way off-topic here. This thread isn't about me and I've told all this stuff before in various posts, but for men to act like all women are after their money and that marriage is a form of prostitution really bothers me. I'm not the only one who has had this kind of experience. I'm not even the only woman on the forums who has gone through this kind of thing.

Dec 11, 2007 @ 2:16 PM Ladies:Which is the lesser of two "evils"

ColdinWisconsin

Posts: 8,637 Heck, If that is what they"need"....let them get a prostitute.

Now I know this won't be a very popluar point of view. But who cares. It's better than people getting hurt thinking that the "relationship" is something it is not.

If they don't love the woman. LET is be a business transaction. Payment for for services rendered. Period.

Everyone has a talent and obviously there are some women who can perform for a man that they don't care about. So.....let her make a few bucks. What do I care. I don't have to sleep with her or him.

I just don't agree with one thing you said....

and make it reasonably affordable for the working man

Last time I heard....it was like $10-$20. cheaper than a hair cut. So, uhm....I would think that would be a fair price.

If you can't afford that. Do it yourself.

Dec 11, 2007 @ 2:58 PM Ladies:Which is the lesser of two "evils"

Thor1960303

Posts: 1,876
Last time I heard....it was like $10-$20. cheaper than a hair cut. So, uhm....I would think that would be a fair price.

??????Where do you get that price quote from and who is cutting your hair???20 to40 bucks may get a BJ in the back seat of a car from a streetwalker,but if you want a decent escort the price starts at around 150 for a half hour and goes up from there.

Dec 11, 2007 @ 3:01 PM Ladies:Which is the lesser of two "evils"

LipGlossQueen9

Posts: 10,088 1. If he's that desperate, will he really give a shit whether he's getting it from a streetwalker or an escort?

2. The government can't regulate the prices to make an escort service affordable to "the working man", anyhow.

3. I agree with Angel and find both actions to be pathetic.

Dec 11, 2007 @ 3:04 PM Ladies:Which is the lesser of two "evils"

drs297

Posts: 4,376 thor..
I don't remember reading anything about them being a decent whore.. Prostitution takes many forms, be it a blow or handjob

Dec 11, 2007 @ 3:08 PM Ladies:Which is the lesser of two "evils"

ColdinWisconsin

Posts: 8,637 Escort? So basically you are paying for perception instead of a service.

I didn't think that was what you were asking about in your original post.

And honey, I live in Wisconsin. Things are a bit more reasonable this time of year around here. The girls get cold and would probably get in the back of your truck for free. If for no other reason than to get warm.

But then, you do get what you pay for in life. We are talking about sex here. Not groceries.

You want a t.v. dinner....it's less than $3.00. You want a gourmet meal.....get out your wallet.

YOU chose the quality. In women, in cars, in food, in anything in life.

I personally do not agree with the perception that men only want sex. I do agree that it is pretty much their top priority. I do think that most men understand that "They get what they pay for." What ANY person puts into a relationship they should expect nothing less than the same to come out of it.

You make no effort....expect trash. You pony up some quality, and most of the time, that is what you are going to get in return.

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