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| Dec 30, 2005 @ 9:49 AM |
Cervical cancer and HPV
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Heaveninawildflower
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I just read the following article and I'm livid. Can someone please explain to me how vaccinating a 12 year old girl against the cause of cervical cancer could possibly cause her to become promiscuous? Not to mention the fact that she's still at the mercy of possible rapists or a philandering husband.
Grrrrrrrrrr!
FORBIDDEN VACCINE Ever year, about 500,000 women throughout the world develop cervical cancer. In the United States alone, the disease kills about 3,700 women annually. This year, scientists developed a vaccine against human papillomavirus, a sexually transmitted disease that is the primary cause of cervical cancer. The vaccine produced 100 percent immunity in the 6,000 women who received it as part of a multinational trial. As soon as the vaccine is licensed, some health officials say, it should be administered to all girls at age 12. But the Family Research Council and other social conservative groups vowed to fight that plan, even though it could virtually eliminate cervical cancer. Vaccinating girls against a sexually transmitted disease, they say, would reduce their incentive to abstain from premarital sex.
[Edited on 12/30/2005 9:50 AM]
[Edited on 12/30/2005 9:51 AM]
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| Dec 30, 2005 @ 10:00 AM |
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Silvertongue62
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would reduce their incentive to abstain from premarital sex.
this is just a claim that the pharmaceutical company that makes the drug put out in a hope of selling more drugs. Just think about it for a minute and let it marinate. You'll get it. The sad part about it is the government will sanction it because the pharmaceutical companies give large donations in campaign contributions and have a very powerful lobby. It's all about money baby. Really sad.
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| Dec 30, 2005 @ 10:14 AM |
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Mischief484
Posts: 679
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You're livid because an activist group plans to exercise its constitutional rights?
And you're posting your lividness on a board about sex?
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| Dec 30, 2005 @ 10:33 AM |
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MischeviousAngel
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Let me tell y'all something...
I was diagnosed with cervical cancer the same day that I was told that I was pregnant for my now almost 12 year old twins. August 11, 1993. Since it was in the early stages my doctor went over my options with me and I opted to do NOTHING for the remainder of my pregnancy and see what happened in those few months. I delivered the twins in Feb and in late March the doctor did first another biopsy and then something called a cervical cone followed by 12 weeks of chemo, another biopsy and a whole lot of gyno exams over the next 5 years.
Officially... it's been almost 7 years now that I have been "Cancer free". At that point in my life I had had exactly TWO sexual partners.
My daughter is going to be 12 in a few weeks... and IF the vaccine in question were available tomorrow I would be the FIRST person in line with my daughter to have the vaccine. 7 months of worrying myself sick, 3 months of chemotherapy, more gyno exams over the course of 5 years than I care to think about... There isn't a snowball's chance in Hades that I want my daughter to go through all of that if it can be avoided with a simple shot!
(Edited for spelling errors)
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| Dec 30, 2005 @ 10:44 AM |
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Mischief484
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That's wonderful Angel, but it's still a political issue...
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| Dec 30, 2005 @ 10:50 AM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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but it's still a political issue
You're right Mischief, but it's also about STD's. Politics can, and in this case does, affect our sex lives too. It could arguably go into general or even dating, but most of our threads regarding STD's have been in this forum, which was why I put it here. Any comment on the topic, aside from its positioning?
[Edited on 12/30/2005 10:51 AM]
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| Dec 30, 2005 @ 11:02 AM |
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Mischief484
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This thread isn't about an STD. It's about a looming political fight over an issue you have a personal connection to, which just happens to be linked to an STD.
Exactly what made you so livid about the article you read? I bet it wasn't about the STD itself.
Any comment on the topic, aside from its positioning?
Nope.
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| Dec 30, 2005 @ 11:25 AM |
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MischeviousAngel
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Mischief, it's also a health issue and a sex issue. Let's turn this around briefly...
IF having sex had the potential to KILL MEN and there was something that was extremely effective in preventing what was causing your death would YOU be "livid" if someone decided that it would be better for you to face death than it would be to prevent your death?
The reality is that this boils down to someone (a religious organization) saying that it is BETTER for women to DIE than it is to prevent the disease that is killing them in the first place!
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| Dec 30, 2005 @ 11:29 AM |
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chinabull2000
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Vaccinating girls against a sexually transmitted disease, they say, would reduce their incentive to abstain from premarital sex. Their point of view raises some pertinent issues. If a young girl knows that there are no risks involved in having sex, then she is more likely to have sex at a younger age, I think that this is possibly true. What we have to weigh up is that point against the dangers of contracting cervical cancer.
I would suggest that you are right Heaven, that it is far better to nullify the risks of cervical cancer, but I also can see the points raised by opposing parties.
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| Dec 30, 2005 @ 11:45 AM |
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sciurusniger
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The problem with HPV is that men are very often silent carriers, though there is the risk of penile cancer for them if left untreated. Those young girls that want to have sex are going to do so, regardless the consequences. If she has sex with someone older who has the disease, she's...ummmm...you know. In more ways than one.
There are ethical considerations involved in every aspect of medicine. My personal opinion is that something that is 100% effective is worth the possible "risk" of a few girls having sex a bit earlier than perhaps they would have otherwise.
Besides, it doesn't eliminate any other risks they are taking, including other STDs.
[Edited on 12/30/2005 11:46 AM]
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| Dec 30, 2005 @ 11:50 AM |
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Mischief484
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taken to email...
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| Dec 30, 2005 @ 11:57 AM |
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MischeviousAngel
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Why is it that it's ALWAYS a "political issue" when it concerns WOMEN"S reproductive health but it's NEVER a "political issue" when it concerns MENS?
China, I can see the "point" on having sex earlier... I can ALSO see the NEED to prevent HPV and cervical cancer.
It's funny (in a rather sick and sad sort of way)... women get HPV from MEN... Women pay the price for the male of the species having a disease that kills...
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| Dec 30, 2005 @ 12:12 PM |
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Silvertongue62
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Because men dont have a cervic.
This kind of reminds me of that old saying that if men had to have babies, abortion would be the law !
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| Dec 30, 2005 @ 12:15 PM |
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ruready4me2luvu
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Mischievous good for you on being cancer free. I went thru the same thing when my 21 year old was 2 years old. My doctor caught it in the early stages and I had to have an in office procedure called cryosurgery(freezing of the cancerous cells) and I have been cancer free now for 19 years   Regular check up's can and will save your life and I thank God everyday for that. 
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| Dec 30, 2005 @ 12:21 PM |
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sciurusniger
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This kind of reminds me of that old saying that if men had to have babies, abortion would be the law !
Actually, if men had to have the babies, none of us would be here! 
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| Dec 30, 2005 @ 12:25 PM |
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ruready4me2luvu
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Well thank God we women have come along way in the political world and men don't make our decisions for us now. We can even vote now and burn our bra if we chooose to
I AM WOMAN HEAR ME ROARRRRRR  ok back to the topic at hand.
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| Dec 30, 2005 @ 12:25 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
Posts: 18,615
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If a young girl knows that there are no risks involved in having sex, then she is more likely to have sex at a younger age
I think that's more along the line of what bothers me about the whole thing. If there's a way of virtually eliminating any kind of cancer, be it cervical or prostate or any other kind, I'd be all for doing it. The fact that it's caused by an STD would be immaterial to me, but that's actually the point here. It's only because it's caused by an STD that there's any question as to whether it should be used or not. There are a number of risks to having sex, apart from HPV. Removing the risk of HPV and cervical cancer wouldn't remove any of the other risks, and I seriously doubt that a young girl contemplating her first sexual experience is going to think a whole lot about the possibility of cervical cancer as a deterrent. I suppose Mischief is right, this should have been posted in General, and Matchdoctor mods may choose to move or even remove it entirely. Vaccination prior to puberty just seems a logical way to deal with a serious health risk.
[Edited on 12/30/2005 12:26 PM]
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| Dec 30, 2005 @ 12:29 PM |
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Mischief484
Posts: 679
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Why is it that it's ALWAYS a "political issue" when it concerns WOMEN"S reproductive health but it's NEVER a "political issue" when it concerns MENS?
"Women's reproductive health" is a catch phrase used by abortion-rights activists to defend a woman's right to those medical services in political debates.
But hey... Sex and politics have blended well so far in DC, so...
Carry on
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| Dec 30, 2005 @ 1:06 PM |
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MischeviousAngel
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And Mischief... when was the last time that a man had to face having his penis removed because of something that is 100% preventable?
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Oh by the way... admitttedly it's been 12 years but these costs should be within a couple hundred grand...
Cost of delivery of my children due to my having cervical cancer........... $22,000
Cost of biopsy post delivery.............. $1,100
Cost of cervical cone.................. $8,000
Cost of 12 weeks of chemotherapy............... $12,000 per week
Cost of follow up care.............. $5,000 a year
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Cost of the vaccine that could have PREVENTED the disease to start with............ Probably less than $100 PER DOSE of vaccine...
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Oh gee... it makes more sense to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to TREAT something than it does to spend a measly hundred dollars to PREVENT it to start with... Am I missing something here? Did I do the math wrong? Or would you REALLY rather people DIE than prevent a disease that is 100% preventable?
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| Dec 30, 2005 @ 1:17 PM |
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chinabull2000
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Going off on a light tangent here, all of the above costs in the UK would be covered by the National Health Service, and not the individual, although that, of course, in no way is a part of the argument against the treatment.
And I DO think that the treatments should be given to young girls, no matter what any activist groups object to. This isn't a case of man Vs woman in regards to which sex has what problems, it is just a case of, generall speaking, many men not understanding the woman's point of view simply because they are not woman. It is very difficult to put yourself into someone else's shoes, no matter how hard you try.
And Angel, I am delighted that you are cancer-free now hon, I have friends and family that have suffered because of cancer, and I know how traumatic it can be..
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