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| Mar 2, 2007 @ 12:41 PM |
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Fieryice
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I was told there are verses regarding spanking the wife publicly as a disciplinary correction. I have yet to find it but I did come up this.
It is very interesting to examine the male and female position/responsibility in the family unit as described in the OT and the NT. The female was created as a helpmate for the male (Gen 2:18) and submit to your husbands (Ephesians 5: 22-24, 1 Peter 3:1-6), husbands love your wives (again Ephesians). The male is the head of family; all others in the unit are subservient to him including the wife. The children are to be corrected for misbehavior, such as spanked (Proverbs 13:24, 22:15, 23:13-14 and Hebrews 12:5-11), this would also include the wife. Nowhere does it state the male head of the household should not spank the wife or concubine for correction. This is not domestic violence; there are guidelines in Exodus 21 about violence.
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| Mar 2, 2007 @ 1:00 PM |
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kattsmeow
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1 Corinthians 7 (New King James Version)
1 Corinthians 7
Principles of Marriage
1 Now concerning the things of which you wrote to me:
It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
2 Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband.
3 Let the husband render to his wife the affection due her, and likewise also the wife to her husband.
4 The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.
5 Do not deprive one another except with consent for a time, that you may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again so that Satan does not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
6 But I say this as a concession, not as a commandment.
7 For I wish that all men were even as I myself. But each one has his own gift from God, one in this manner and another in that.
8 But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain even as I am; 9 but if they cannot exercise self-control, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
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| Mar 2, 2007 @ 1:47 PM |
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Fieryice
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Thanks Katt
I think the reference to public discipline, wife etc. would most likely be in the OT still haven't found it yet. 
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| Mar 2, 2007 @ 1:53 PM |
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kattsmeow
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Hm, Angel posted something about this in here,,lol, lets hope she comes and finds it for us.
Yes, it was in the OT too.
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| Mar 2, 2007 @ 8:43 PM |
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sealacamp
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There is no reference to spanking ones wife either publicly or privately. There is however a couple of statements in proverbs that say " It is better to live in the desert than in a fine house with a nagging wife" There are several other similar verses.
If you are looking for something that presents and expectation for spousal discipline take a look at the Koran. I think you will find something in there for that.
S
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| Mar 3, 2007 @ 3:00 AM |
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craterchains
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hmmm well, there are a few passages that do apply in this reguard, but will let you do some more searching before I post them. Many passages are difficult to reference because of "generic" terminology and wording.
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| Mar 4, 2007 @ 2:12 PM |
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bevrice
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Jesus said, love your wife as I love my church, be firm but gentle with her. That is a far cry from spanking her. Jesus is your final authority as a Christian. Your covenant with God is the New Testament, not the old Testament.
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| Mar 4, 2007 @ 2:43 PM |
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eastham
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If you are looking for something that presents and expectation for spousal discipline take a look at the Koran. I think you will find something in there for that.
Nope. The Koran is actually far more explicit about the equality of the sexes than the Bible. That said, it has been man's practice of the religion -- such as the Taliban not allowing girls to be educated -- than the religion itself. Look at pictures of Kabul street scenes in the 1960's. There are young women in mini-skirts and Jackie Kennedy hairdos. Over 50% of the doctors and nearly as many lawyers were women in pre-Taliban Kabul.
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| Mar 5, 2007 @ 7:32 AM |
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Fieryice
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Seal, I meant in the OT and NT not the Koran. I checked Leviticus, didn’t find the reference.
Bev, cross-referencing NT with OT and visa versa is a handy tool, an old handy tool. The new covenant is in the NT but the OT is packed full of guidelines, prophecies and history, all very relevant to modern day.
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| Mar 5, 2007 @ 7:46 AM |
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bevrice
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Of course, it is relevant, but still Jesus is your teacher, spoke the words you need in your search, unless you want to go back to being separated from people, called unclean during your menses, stoned to death for adultry, or held by any of those fencepost laws. So why would you want to bring up husbands spanking their wives as revelant for today? If it was in the old Testament, it is not revelant for today.
Love your wives as I love my church. Be firm but gentle with them. There is nothing gentle about spanking, so bears no revelance for any Christian today. Jesus is your final authority. So why all the researching, it may have been all right in the past for Hebrews in the Old Testament times and covenant, but it is not right for today for Christians.
[Edited on 3/5/2007 9:20 AM]
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| Mar 5, 2007 @ 7:11 PM |
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sealacamp
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The Koran is actually far more explicit about the equality of the sexes than the Bible.
You are dead wrong. Try reading before you make such an outlandish statement. It is clearly stated in the Koran that if your wife does not obey you she should be beaten, even in public. The man has been clearly marked as the ultimate master of the household and that he has every authority to dominate his wife. There are no such passages in the bible. There are passages in the bible that have been construed as such but that is a human contortion by taking specific statements out of context.
It is stated that the man is the head of the house and that his wife is under his authority. But that authority is to be just like the authority of Christ in relation to the church. Christ laid down his life for the church and served everyone. In a like manner the husband is to serve his wife. The authority given to the husband is not like authority exercised in the world. You have made a grevious error but one that is all too common.
Seal, I meant in the OT and NT not the Koran.
I know what you were talking about and no such passages exist, except in the minds of those that convolute the truth of God.
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| Mar 8, 2007 @ 9:11 PM |
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craterchains
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Some men may dissagree with that idea, 
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| Mar 9, 2007 @ 1:39 AM |
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Majik_Imaje
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Husbands, Love your wife as Christ Loved the church, and gave HIMSELF for it.
that verse says it a lot different than "be frim and gentle".
but to humiliate in pubic is not what LOVE is all about..
"bear all things"
endure all things...
the GREATEST of these is LOVE.
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| Mar 9, 2007 @ 11:25 AM |
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craterchains
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Spare the rod, spoil the child, (or other members of your household). 
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| Mar 10, 2007 @ 11:40 PM |
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Bekeka
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Hm. I think my best Mr. T impression applies here in that "I pity the fool that tries to hit me." Because Ill hit his ass back.
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| Mar 11, 2007 @ 5:31 AM |
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kjac
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Any piece of crap that would hit a woman isn't a man, in the eys of any god or human.
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| Mar 11, 2007 @ 5:31 AM |
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kjac
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Any piece of crap that would hit a woman isn't a man, in the eyes of any god or human.
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| Mar 11, 2007 @ 6:35 AM |
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Majik_Imaje
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Zactly.. Spare that rod.. and you WILL spoil that child..
It is better to live in the corner of an attic, than in a big house with a nagging woman.
Proverbs ! yes that is one funny book..
I tell all four of my teenage sons CONSTANTLY read proverbs. chapter 2 - chapter 8 to see EXACTLY what the WORD of God says ABOUT WOMEN!
Proverbs 31 is the most beautiful descrittion of what a woman should be..
Her price is far above rubies.. !!
Most people don't know that in the bible. women hold a much higher POSITION than men!!
It was a WOMAN who FIRST sinned.. Christ was BORN of a WOMAN.. when He rose.. WOMEN were not allowed to touch HIM.. and WHO IS CHIST COMING BACK FOR ???? .................."His Bride" !!
The Great Marriage Feast.. .. we all enter heaven.. AT ONCE.. !!
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| Mar 11, 2007 @ 9:55 AM |
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Fieryice
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Most people don't know that in the bible. women hold a much higher POSITION than men!!
Majik, that is a lie.
Even the Elect females, in that capacity, are equal to the Elect males; there is no sexual distinction. But outside of that, women do have their place and it isn’t a “higher POSITION than men”.
If you can’t even get your words straight, how do you expect to discuss “His Bride”?
Or even advance to discussions of the probability of the Bride being all males and the harvest males and females. Even the simplest discussion with these posters gets twisted, directed off track and trashed.
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| Mar 11, 2007 @ 10:57 AM |
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kattsmeow
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The Bride is the church, not single humans like man or woman.
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