| Apr 1, 2007 @ 11:45 AM |
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bevrice
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Okay, as a Christian, what are you afraid of?
What were you afraid of before you became a Christian?
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| Apr 1, 2007 @ 11:56 AM |
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kattsmeow
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What were you afraid of before you became a Christian? I was afraid of dieing.
Okay, as a Christian, what are you afraid of?
That I am not good enough to get to heaven.
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| Apr 1, 2007 @ 12:00 PM |
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12knots
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Excellent subject and very profound statements by the above Postees.
"Fear" based religion?
Certainly the "Holier then thou" posts from Christian people in these threads show a great deal of fear. Fear of truth and opening to love, compassion and wisdom.
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| Apr 1, 2007 @ 12:23 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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My biggest fear? That I might someday voluntarily relinquish my abliity to think and reason and succumb to paranoia...and actually believe that the creator that gave me that ability wants me to suspend it and believe things that I cannot believe, and if not, will consign me to hell to be tortured for eternity.
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| Apr 1, 2007 @ 12:28 PM |
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kjac
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12 knots has raised a good point. And we all know, holier than thou is just another way of saying better than you.
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| Apr 1, 2007 @ 12:29 PM |
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12knots
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What does God fear?
Assuming you have that kind of insight......
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| Apr 1, 2007 @ 12:30 PM |
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hammertime
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Fear and low self esteem are the driving forces behind controlling indoctrinations. Dogs will attack once they smell fear. All animals sense fear and project fear when threatened. That is a fact. Street level crime going face to face with someone who has a weapon and and showing them fear gets you killed. I taught many people how to turn fear into courage by showing them how to respond. Fear must be maintained for indoctrination to maintain its hold on a weak mind.
Indoctrination by a controlling dogma only removes free will and chance for attaining a fearless self direction. There is no indomitable spirit when self image is broken down and dogma replaces thinking.
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| Apr 1, 2007 @ 1:09 PM |
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bevrice
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I used to be afraid of dying, afraid of not being good enough, afraid of life doing what it would to me.
Jesus died and was good enough for me, where I failed, He succeeded. I know where I am going, and am not afraid to die. I have hope and know that He takes care of me protects me, watches over me. I can think of nothing I fear now.
I have great self esteem and self-respect. I have no fear of other's people's religions or not religions, that affects only them.
I never worry about ANYTHING because I know that God has it all in His hands, nothing to worry about. My needs are all provided for. He has never failed me.
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| Apr 1, 2007 @ 1:23 PM |
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12knots
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Take away your religion and what do you have?
The driving force of fear.
Have you overcome your fear or just simply made an excuse for it and disguised it.
Religion is not the answer to fear but to learn the face of fear and over come it. In this way you over come the barriers between the true nature of yourself and the world about you and within you.
All I hear is people spouting about their religion and how they feel about it. I have yet to hear someone say something of love, compassion and wisdom from their hearts.
(Not to say there isn't degrees of genuine love and compassion from people. Just not the true essence, unadulterated, radiating from within)
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| Apr 1, 2007 @ 1:42 PM |
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sealacamp
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Certainly the "Holier then thou" posts from Christian people in these threads show a great deal of fear. Fear of truth and opening to love, compassion and wisdom.
An astounding statement from such a narrow minded person.
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| Apr 1, 2007 @ 1:57 PM |
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bevrice
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Twelve, this is a thread about fear, and where we have been.
Take away Jesus? Without Him, we are nothing. We will be the first to tell you that.
Jesus is the WAY, the door to truth, compassion, love, wisdom.
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| Apr 1, 2007 @ 2:05 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Jesus is the WAY, the door to truth, compassion, love, wisdom. Are we sure that we are talking with Bev, or a person using her handle?
I agree with your statement 100%. I was just supprised that you didn't include "savior" in your definition. This statement is more in line with the bible than your usual dogma.
Peace
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| Apr 1, 2007 @ 2:16 PM |
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12knots
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An astounding statement from such a narrow minded person.
Excuse me....?
I have yet to see you Post anything of relevance or of constructive criticism in ANY thread so what is your point.....
Why do you actually come here?
And for the record..... I haven't made any attacked a postee.... as of yet... but I am beginning to feel like doing so.... 
Twelve, this is a thread about fear, and where we have been.
Take away Jesus? Without Him, we are nothing. We will be the first to tell you that.
Jesus is the WAY, the door to truth, compassion, love, wisdom.
Bev, I can see what the thread is about based on the OP guidelines in the initial Post.
So....
Firstly, I refer to the statements I made in my previous Posts.
is a thread about fear, and where we have been.
Driven by fear? And as several postees stated.... out of fear turn to a religion.
Take away Jesus? Without Him, we are nothing.
Again, fear based. Not very insightful when considering most of mans greatest spiritual Beings where not of your belief or conviction. And thus far those that beloved in Jesus have caused nothing more than greater fear within mankind and on the world.
Is it fear to fear going back to fear that driven you to 'crazy wisdom'?
We will be the first to tell you that.
I do not fear not having to join you thanks. Infact what do I fear... *shrugs.... I see the folly of others and fear how can they be so ignorant.... will that be okay...
Jesus is the WAY, the door to truth, compassion, love, wisdom.
Where is compassion in your thinking when you consider "righteous attitude". Where is the compassion in believers of Jesus when so much hate anger and war scurge the planet?
Where is the wisdom in believing you have the answer when all you do is say "have faith for it is written"?
As for love... how can you radiate the love of Jesus when you do not do as he had asked of you?
No disrespect but your thinking is terribly flawed.
Sail:
Are we sure that we are talking with Bev, or a person using her handle?
I said that earlier but gave the benefit of the doubt and also said I would drop the matter.... but..... its questionable.
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| Apr 1, 2007 @ 2:34 PM |
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sail_dancer
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12knots,
I have yet to see you Post anything of relevance or of constructive criticism in ANY thread so what is your point.....
Forgot that you've been gone for a while. That's about all you'll get from seal, he rarely adds anything but conflict to the threads he posts to.
Peace
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| Apr 1, 2007 @ 2:37 PM |
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12knots
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Seen it Sail. Dont understand, thought he was happily married to some youngster of a girl and so why need to be disrupting threads? No problem being here but please, there should be something constructive or even reasonable to say.
All I have seen is constant jibes at people. Not even reasoning behind them either.
Beyond me!!!! *shrugs
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| Apr 1, 2007 @ 2:38 PM |
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bevrice
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Righteous attitude, only defending my faith, I am not self righteous, my righteousness is only of Him, my own is as dirty rags. I have posted much, but you can't see it.
All those things scourge the planet, so the budhist faith is the cause of that?
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| Apr 1, 2007 @ 2:42 PM |
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12knots
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Righteous attitude, only defending my faith, I am not self righteous, my righteousness is only of Him, my own is as dirty rags. I have posted much, but you can't see it.
Its not an attack on you Bev, but an observation of the attitude within certain beliefs or faiths.
I have yet to see any reasonable logic on what has been Posted by you or any defense of what you say. Simply, you are contained within the nutshell of your religious belief system and fearful to think outside of it. Other may say it is 'brainwashed". I, on the other hand would say "misguidance'.
All those things scourge the planet, so the budhist faith is the cause of that?
Sorry, dont quite understand????
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| Apr 1, 2007 @ 6:08 PM |
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bevrice
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You spoke of the scourges on the planet as if Christians were the cause of all of it, that is why the question.
Jesus said, "Fear not, for I am with you always."
We have nothing to fear.
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| Apr 1, 2007 @ 7:21 PM |
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12knots
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Bev,
I merely stated a point and do not argue other facts. Leave that for another thread.
Jesus said, "Fear not, for I am with you always."
We have nothing to fear.
But Bev, you talk in "forked tongues". You openly admitted you were driven by fear as did one or two other Postees.
You have also admitted fear if you left Jesus in your life. The only way Jesus is in your life is through the indoctrination you have received. Your limited understanding of religions and life experiences have brought you to this point and no further. I dont mean you arent intelligent or stupid. I mean you are bounded by limitation of the cosmos. A bounded system.
You are not relying on your own inner self but again as you have stated but by faith. A faith potholed with indescrepances and a minefield of inaccuracies as regards to love, wisdom and compassion.
You are saying, remove Jesus and you have nothing. Isn't that something for a person in your position to be fearful?
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| Apr 1, 2007 @ 7:39 PM |
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Angel54214
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Do all religions and non-religions have different interpretations of the word fear?
Like if a person, any person no matter what their belief, if that person did not know how to swim and went in deep water, that person would have the "fear" of drowning. Therefore this type of "fear" is inevitable by nature to all.
I think I said that right! 
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