| Apr 5, 2007 @ 2:43 PM |
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bevrice
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I have been searching the internet. Here are some medically documented miracles. I will put the links up one at a time.
http://www.leestoneking.com/My%20Miracle.htm
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| Apr 5, 2007 @ 6:18 PM |
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eastham
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Bev,
What is the purpose of this post? To reenforce those who need no reenforcement or to aggravate others?
This is not medical documentation; it is a testimonial. The medical documentation that has been discussed before on the Religion Thread would include articles in the New England Journal of Medicine, the Journal of the American Medical Association, in otherwords journals which are peer-reviewed and easily searched via PubMed or other medical journal search engine. Indeed, if this were a truly unique and miraculous case, the physicians in Australia would have written a journal article about their experiences.
What you have presented is a testimonial. It doesn't mean the minister is lying; it does not mean he did not make a miraculous recovery, but it is not documentation.
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| Apr 5, 2007 @ 6:26 PM |
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hammertime
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Thats a good example of gullibility.Finding any old website and believing everything in it. Thats what I mean, you don't find that in other religions. I'm trying to figure out what is so different about Christianity that creates people without the ability to critically think. The fact is simple. Anyone who believes this kind of thing is delusional and probably has a syndrome of mental issues.
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| Apr 5, 2007 @ 6:45 PM |
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eastham
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Hey, I had a very serious injury. So few people who injure their arms the way I did, my doctors have only read about them in journal articles. They had no experience with a patient who recovered from my injury.
Did I pray? Yep, I did. Didn't pray for a miracle, but I prayed I wouldn't be a big baby and I would have the strength to get through the physical therapy -- in otherwords, I prayed for the strength to do the work I needed to do. And by the way, the techniques used on my arm will be documented in a peer-reviewed medical journals. Not as a miracle, but a discussion of the cold clinical facts surrounding my case, the techniques and materials used, etc. That's fine by me.
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| Apr 5, 2007 @ 7:02 PM |
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stormbay
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Just a couple of points. Firstly, no name of the hospital. The stupid bloke with him did nothing but pray, have you ever seen a person just kneel and pray whilst someone lays dying in front of them, just to bizarre to contemplate, but then again it was a christian and they are clueless.. Dr Jeff young Jr and pastor Jeff Young Snr., bit of a coincidence. It seems to say this was the doctor treating him then down the bottom it says Dr Jeff Young was in the USA, yet he provides the official medical report.
The supposed official medical certificate refers to him as brother Stoneking, that would never happen. The full name would be used all through the report. They don't write reports like that and there is very little medical identification or treatments referred to. In other words its a load of rubbish. Sure the bloke may have had a heart attack in Sydney and it may have been a bad one, but the description sure sounds really suspect, as it contradicts itself on a number of occasions. Many people survive after many minutes if the blood continues to flow as it does with proper early treatment.
Tell me the name of the hospital and I will find out the real story if any. I think its a load of rubbish and falls apart as soon as you read it, just like everything else christians say.
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| Apr 5, 2007 @ 8:24 PM |
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bevrice
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Storm, there is an email address on there, email him, he will document it for you. I have another that has doctor's names and addresses on it, will post it. I put this on here because some said that there were no medically documented miracles.
This one has doctors names and addresses and ex rays.
http://www.healingsandmiracles.org/
Certainly, I would pray for someone who was dying.
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| Apr 5, 2007 @ 8:36 PM |
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eastham
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This one has doctors names and addresses and ex rays.
This still doesn't make the documentation guidelines.
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| Apr 5, 2007 @ 8:40 PM |
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bevrice
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It has ex rays, doctors names, doctor's notes. the works.
I found many Catholic ones that pass that test according to the Catholic church.
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| Apr 5, 2007 @ 8:42 PM |
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eastham
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I don't care about the denomination, documentation means the ability to written up in peer-reviewed journals. Less than that is a testimonial and not documentation.
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| Apr 5, 2007 @ 8:45 PM |
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kjac
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And the Catholics have proven soooo reliable. I really wouldn't use them to validate ANYTHING.
Except of course, child abuse laws.
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| Apr 5, 2007 @ 8:47 PM |
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stormbay
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Certainly, I would pray for someone who was dying.
But not help, typical.
Bev your a complete joke,I've read through that site and nowhere does any doctor in any medical reports state or confirm her leg has grown back. They did operate to remove spurs from the bone, but all the rest relates to other procedures and cover all the other illnesses and complaints she has. Certainly not a healthy women by any stretch of the imagination.
In other words Bev, its a fake, just like you nothing but deceit.
I found many Catholic ones that pass that test according to the Catholic church.
The catholic church, only requires 3 witnesses and doesn't need to include a medical doctor, but must include a representative of the church. The church has never been able to convince the scientific or medical profession that a medical miracle has happened, just the opposite.
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| Apr 5, 2007 @ 8:51 PM |
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12knots
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Watta bout the Buddhists??????
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| Apr 5, 2007 @ 8:53 PM |
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bevrice
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Carole's Doctors
Dr. James F. Coy, M.D.
Sunstate Preventive Medicine Institute
310 Nesbit Street
Post Office Box 511315
Punta Gorda, Fl 33951-1315
(941) 575-8080
Dr. James F. Coy M.D. is now the physician in complete authority over all medical decisions regarding the creative miracle of completion of my left leg.
Dr. Kenneth Levy M.D.
Advanced Orthopedics Center
1641 Tamiami Trail
Suite 1
Port Charlotte, Fl. 33948
(941) 629-6262
Orthopedic Specialist since 1986, Dr. Levy amputated my left leg below the kneecap in 1995. In the year 2000, Dr. Levy documented that my amputated left leg is growing back and is a creative miracle from God. There is no other explanation! (Dr. Levy is now retired and no longer involved in my case.)
Dr. David S. Goris, CPO
American Board Certified Prosthetist Orthotist
Sonlife Prosthetics and Orthotics, Inc.
6111 Deltona Blvd.
Spring Hill, Fl. 34609
(352) 596-2257
Dr. Goris is the President of Sonlife with extensive experience in both Prosthetics and Orthotics. He received his bachelors degree from Calvin College in 1976 and went on to receive his degree in Prosthetics and Orthotics from Northwestern University in 1980. He is certified by the American Board for Certification and meets their requirements for continuing education on a yearly basis. Some of his most recent studies include custom prosthetic restoration and implementation of Computer Aided Design and Manufacturing (CAD/CAM) technology. Dr. Goris also certifies that my leg is a creative miracle from God.
Dr. Harvey Tritel, MD, FAC
Florida Heart Associates
2675 Winkler Ave.
Suite 460
Fort Myers, Fl 33901
(941) 936-3896
My Cardiac Specialist since 1989. Please refer to documents in the book regarding this miracle.
Todd D. Nowell, O. D.
After-image Eye Care. P.A.
Spring Hill, Florida 34606
(941) 352-688-1102 Phone
Examination July 17, 2006 Vision 20-20
Click here to download the free book to learn more about the miracles.
Okay, storm, here you go, call them.
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| Apr 5, 2007 @ 8:55 PM |
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bevrice
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Buddha didn't believe in miracles.
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| Apr 5, 2007 @ 8:56 PM |
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12knots
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Of course.
Nothing special about them. Kids play.
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| Apr 5, 2007 @ 8:56 PM |
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eastham
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At least Storm, there is room built into the system for those who make the oppositive arguement. The opposing side must/should be represented. For example, Christopher Hitchens was interviewed and questioned extensively during discussion about Mother Theresa being cannonized.
Not so with Bev. That line was to make me expressly feel uncomfortable...not that it worked.
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| Apr 6, 2007 @ 1:44 AM |
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bevrice
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Catholic miracles at Lourdeshttp://www.geocities.com/meta_crock/other/Miracles2.htm
Catholics always make sure their miracles are medically documented, you know.
They won't even call it a miracle unless it is. They have rigid rules.
[Edited on 4/6/2007 1:54 AM]
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| Apr 6, 2007 @ 2:16 AM |
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stormbay
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Bev there is no medically verifiable documents on either site, to support what you or they say, none whatsoever. If there were, then it could be accepted if the doctor states its a miracle but there is nothing. Believing the catholic church has any credibility is gullible in the extreme, when you see their history and the desperate efforts they go to in trying to lie, cheat and deceive their way out of anything they get caught out on.
Trolling to find evidence so desperately is not the sign of someone who knows their subject, just someone who clutches at straws without proper research. The sane of the world Bev, aren't as gullible and superstition as you.
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| Apr 6, 2007 @ 6:28 AM |
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bevrice
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not trolling, you have doctors you can check with and phone numbers.
The Catholic Church calls very few healings miracles, they have to be medically certified.
The claim for a miraculous cure is first examined by a medical board at the local level were it is claimed. The medical tribunal determines whether the disease was well-documented, had no hope of cure, that it is without any scientific explanation (no possible other causes, including the effects of medical care already received or spontaneous remission), and that it has continued (that is, it wasn't temporary). If it passes muster the decision is commited to a theological tribunal at the diocescan level.
The theological tribunal must determine whether it meets the criteria of a supernatural intervention. To be judged supernatural it must be beyond the power of created nature (including angels, good and bad). A disease might be caused by a fallen angel and then a "cure" result from the demon withdrawing his influence. The disease would remit with no explanation. For theologians, therefore, there is a clear preference for spontanous cures of terminal or otherwise hopeless cases: the person with MS, Parkinsons, tuberculosis, cancer, etc. who is cured from one moment to the next, with diseased tissue becoming healthy instantaneously. Since the angels (good or bad) cannot create tissue, such cures are evidently beyond their power. Cancer that remits, with healing resulting over time from the recuperative powers of the body, would not be conclusive.
After a positive finding at the local level, the case is sent to Rome where it goes though the same two-stop process with new scientific and theological experts.
I know of no such rigor being applied to claims of miracles outside the Catholic Chuch.
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| Apr 6, 2007 @ 9:04 AM |
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12knots
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Science is the miracle maker.
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