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| Apr 25, 2007 @ 11:23 AM |
Apocalyptic Eschatology, What is it?
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hammertime
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The End of the World is near!!! We've heard that too many times and yet the world didn't end.
What does this mean? Do people believe in this literally? Do people in power want this to happen so we can get it over with already?
We are living in a time with nuclear and biological weapons that such an event can be carried out by someone who believes its their divine mission to make it happen.
The Christian video game "Left Behind: Eternal Forces" teaches kids who their enemies are and if they can't be converted they need to die.
Muslims have such video games too.
Obviously big money is promoting this end times mindset.
Does this concern anyone?
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| Apr 25, 2007 @ 11:48 AM |
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hammertime
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From Wikipedia
Shia Islam
In Shia Islamic thought, there is a worldly reality that is mentioned to occur before the end of human life on earth. The events that occur in the final moments of humanity will mainly revolve around Dajjal and his ability to woo humanity to a new world religion, one that is not divinely issued. Lakota
According to an Oglala Lakota medicine man - "darkness would descend over the tribe...the world would be out of balance. Floods, fires and earthquakes would then ensue."
Hopi
Tribal leaders of the Hopi tribe, such as Dan Evehema, Thomas Banyaca and Martin Gashwaseoma, prophesize that the coming of the white man signals the end times, along with a strange beast "like a buffalo but with great horns that would overrun the land". It is prophesied that during the end times, the earth would be crossed by iron snakes and stone rivers; the land would be criss-crossed by a giant spider's web, and seas will turn black. (A common speculative interpretation is to equal "iron snakes" with trains, "rock rivers" with highways and the giant spiders web with powerlines or even the world wide web.)
Christianity
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Still other Christians anticipate that biblical prophecy will be fulfilled literally[citation needed]. They see current world and regional wars, earthquakes, hurricanes and famines as the beginning of the birth pains which Jesus described in Matthew 24:7-8and Mark 13:8
Hindu eschatology
Hindu traditional prophecies, as described in the Puranas and several other texts, say that the world shall fall into chaos and degradation. There will then be a rapid influx of perversity, greed and conflict, and this state has been described as:
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In Hinduism, there is no eternal damnation of souls. There is no end times as well. After this evil Kali yuga ends, the next yuga or epoch would be Satya yuga where everyone will be righteous, followed by Dwapara yuga, Treta yuga and then another Kali Yuga. Thus time is cyclical and the epochs keep repeating infinitely.
Buddhist eschatology
Buddha predicted that his teachings would disappear after 500 years. According to the Sutta Pitaka, the "ten moral courses of conduct" will disappear and people will follow the ten amoral concepts of theft, violence, murder, lying, evil speaking, adultery, abusive and idle talk, covetousness and ill will, wanton greed, and perverted lust resulting in skyrocketing poverty and the end of the worldly laws of true dharma.
All the above are incomplete excerpts but you get the idea. There are obvious overlaps and similarities as well as differences.
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| Apr 25, 2007 @ 11:51 AM |
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12knots
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Yes!
It shows the irresponsibility of parents, religious leaders and governments.
There should be standards in "Use of Religious Ideology" as there are in hard core pornography.
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| Apr 25, 2007 @ 12:23 PM |
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hammertime
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It shows the irresponsibility of parents, religious leaders and governments. Certainly abuse and capitalizing by leaders on fears of religious people into submission and bowing to their respective god. You constantly hear from religious folks a lot of catastrophizing about weakness of people, divine threats, etc..
I think religions have a built in boogy man plan for those who disobey. Disobeying could be something like seeking answers and doing research that are outside of the mind numbing dogma. Religious leaders need fearful followers. This is completely opposite than leading people with well developed and educated minds as you might find in universities and respected colleges. There are some psudo colleges like Liberty University and Bob Jones that de-evolve learning and knowledge.
As for this thread, its a real terrorist concern. Fanatics on all sides are dangerous and need to be exposed.
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| Apr 25, 2007 @ 12:44 PM |
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kjac
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What concerns me more than the video games is a President trying to start the end times with his own Holy War.
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| Apr 25, 2007 @ 12:58 PM |
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hammertime
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, president of Iran, who is just a public figure, not the person in charge, represents those in power who believe in their own brand of apocalyptic eschatology. If matter and antimatter meet, they annihilate each other.
Bush calls himself a born again and I think his actions are under closer scrutiny. Those who helped put him in office, some are religious fanatics who want a president to drop a bomb and love war. Religious fanatics are pro-life but pro war too. 
Didn't anyone anticipate that a war in Iraq would split the nation into civil war? Is the administration so stupid they didn't know about Suni and Shia oppositions would divide a whole country? I think they knew and deliberately set this in motion. The whole world knows these two peoples hated each other so is the president just acting stupid and using stupidity a ploy to be destructive or is he really that stupid?
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| Apr 25, 2007 @ 1:09 PM |
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yashaenka
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I think the neo-conservaties won the day a source he claimed as a friend Putin of Russia outlined the pit falls of this and the results that now exist
to Bush before and after our 9/11. Russia has long feared their Moslem's they still remember when the Tartar's over ran them.
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| Apr 25, 2007 @ 1:32 PM |
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raykl
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They are games. We played cowboys and indians when I was young, none of us ended up hating indians or cowboys. Those that cannot tell the difference between reality and make-believe will just find another means to hate or dislike since they are obviously dysfunctional. The giant condom theory will never work...
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| Apr 25, 2007 @ 1:42 PM |
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12knots
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"Cowboys and Indians", did they teach the genocide and misery of the Indian nations when a little boy or the propaganda versions?
So whats the diference? Lets have a game for the Ku Klux Klan, Nazism. hey that would be great.
See the old ovens burn again!!!!
Another thing about Cowboys and Indians, is that most of it was propaganda. Since those childhood days more of the truths are coming out about how the Indians were treated and it is abominable.
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| Apr 25, 2007 @ 2:04 PM |
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yashaenka
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Should we mention the Mormon's dressing up as Indians to attack wagon trains to drive all but Mormon's and Jews out from their claimed territory.
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| Apr 25, 2007 @ 2:07 PM |
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hammertime
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Another thing about Cowboys and Indians, is that most of it was propaganda. Since those childhood days more of the truths are coming out about how the Indians were treated and it is abominable.
And if you notice, Hopi American Indian eschatology sees the white man coming in and creating the end of the world. They were right!
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| Apr 25, 2007 @ 2:13 PM |
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hammertime
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yashaenka
I didn't know that. Thats equivalent to a klansman wearing black face and robbing stores and mugging people.
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| Apr 25, 2007 @ 2:27 PM |
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yashaenka
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There is a book I read called Men to Match My Mountains a true history of how the West was settled. I got it from the Ogden free library long ago and it was most enlightening.
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| Apr 25, 2007 @ 2:32 PM |
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12knots
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sheesh... who needs a book. There is a documentary! In colour too 
(sorry, lazy reader)
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| Apr 25, 2007 @ 2:46 PM |
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hammertime
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I look at my own early education in school and all I remember is that Manhattan was purchased from the Indians for $24 worth of trinkets. Donald Trump never did so well. Thanksgiving originated with the Pilgrims and Native Americans sharing turkey. Talk about revisionism in history.
I find it appalling that you never never hear about Native American issues on the 6 oclock news either. I'm a news hound and I can't remember any major news event about Indians. Maybe one or two shows about obesity. It turns out Native American are generally lactose intolerant. The US Government dumped dairy products and other processed foods on them virtually poisoning these people. Who cares?????
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| Apr 25, 2007 @ 2:48 PM |
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hammertime
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Anybody remember the Lone Ranger on TV?
Later, the portrayal of Tonto, in radio, television, and film, was seen by some Native Americans as degrading, including noted Native American author and poet Sherman Alexie. [2] Tonto spoke in a pidgin, saying things like, "That right, Kemo Sabe," or "Him say man ride over ridge on horse." Further, in Spanish the word "Tonto" means "fool" or "idiot".
How much more historical references do we need to know these people have been destroyed ?
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| Apr 25, 2007 @ 4:15 PM |
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joe_kerr
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What concerns me more than the video games is a President trying to start the end times with his own Holy War.
One of the end time prophecies found in Revelation deals with the destruction of Babylon, which is now modern day Iraq.
I find it appalling that you never never hear about Native American issues on the 6 oclock news either. I'm a news hound and I can't remember any major news event about Indians.
I grew up 45 minutes away from Cherokee, and every time something happened concerning the Indians, the local news channels would cover it. Maybe it just depends on where you live? 
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| Apr 25, 2007 @ 4:31 PM |
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hammertime
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Sure, I live in NYC. No Americans Indians here. The got ripped off for $24. Actually there are some local Native Americans but you never hear about them. There are local pow wows but its mostly some dancing and selling of food. No real big issues. I guess there isn't much left to lose. In the Puerto Rican neighborhoods you have some Tiano Indians but they're not American Indian.
So lets talk about Christian/Islamic Apocalyptic Eschatology...
[Edited on 4/25/2007 4:37 PM]
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| Apr 25, 2007 @ 9:04 PM |
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Angel54214
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Christianity
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Still other Christians anticipate that biblical prophecy will be fulfilled literally[citation needed]. They see current world and regional wars, earthquakes, hurricanes and famines as the beginning of the birth pains which Jesus described in Matthew 24:7-8and Mark 13:8
Oh no hammer! These scriptures were not about the end of this earth, these are about the Jewish war that ended in AD 73.
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| Apr 25, 2007 @ 9:16 PM |
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hammertime
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Angel
I qualified the excerpts are incomplete but Christians are split on this issue anyway. Maybe you can fill us in?
See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eschatology
Basically the question is. If a Christian nation and an Muslim nation both believing in end times, can one side or the other or both start a war?
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