| Jul 15, 2007 @ 1:57 PM |
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hammertime
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Bill Gates and Warren Buffer are very joyful men. Buffet lives in a modest home and Gates goes around the world helping people. You think they have no joy? My guess is that you do not know the true nature of joy or goodness. You seem to be unable to make proper judgments and alway answer with vagueness. There can be no joy when one's own faith is vague especially if you're setting an example.
It is much better to make a statement and be wrong so you can correct it than take no position and always be wrong.
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| Jul 15, 2007 @ 2:17 PM |
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sail_dancer
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SOC,
I have nothing against you personally. I believe that you have every right to believe in what I consider christian dogma.
I will counter most of your posts if they contain many of the phrases you use such as "only way" or "only true religion" or whenever you state that non-believers will be eternally punished.
I don't attack a anyone personally unless they attack me first (excluding Seal). Even in the retaliatory response I try to restrict it to the beliefs being debated.
Personal attacks don't solve anything. All they do is make a thread harder for people interested in the topic to follow. A good current example would be Iam's childish empty posts that he purposely makes larger than necessary. His main objective is to disrupt a thread because he has a personal vendetta against someone.
We may not agree in our beliefs but that doesn't mean we have to be enemies. That's why I suggested that we find some beliefs that we have in common.
Peace
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| Jul 15, 2007 @ 2:44 PM |
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iam7545
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sail - please get back to reality -
you wrote this - and then close with peace - pulease - if that is not an insult then what exactly is the classification for that remark - Now you are going to masquerade as a maven on PEACE - spare me sail - OK - PLEASE
Iam,
You are the lowest of the low. A liar and an instigator.
Want me to cut and paste other insults that you post to others that end in peace?
PEACE SAIL!
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| Jul 15, 2007 @ 3:25 PM |
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DiMedici
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I'm more rewarded than Bill Gates. You only see the richest peoples income who post it publicly.
DiMedici
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| Jul 15, 2007 @ 3:31 PM |
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DiMedici
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Servantochrist2,
Here is how Father, Son and Spirit of Holiness can be one and not triune:
Jn 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 ¶ And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
15 ¶ John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by [Yeshua HaMeshiakh].
Luke says about Miriam, "The Spirit descended upon her" - it was HER description, don't you think?. Gen, the Father has creative power by his word, and his Spirit.
Acts, "the Spirit of Holiness was sent to us until His return'. All portions of God, just like there are 54 portions of Torah, and it is still one.
Complete,
DiMedici
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| Jul 15, 2007 @ 3:34 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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The feelings of happiness + joy are comparable.
But they are different qualities.
Happiness is not as complete as joy. Happiness is a pale imitation.
Joy, I believe, comes closer to being a reflection of one's soul.
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| Jul 15, 2007 @ 3:37 PM |
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DiMedici
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I think joy is just an outburst, temporary, in the happiness of all day, every week, all of liffe.
What's that mean?
DiMedici
So....
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| Jul 15, 2007 @ 3:39 PM |
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Angel54214
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Joy is the overflow of a thankful heart. The reunion of a lost son to his father. A delight in the goodness of others. A delight in the very character of God such that it affects and permeates all interactions with others.
Joy is the overflow emotion of greater happyness... 
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| Jul 15, 2007 @ 3:43 PM |
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DiMedici
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So, no Geez-us (Jesus) was made up. He never lived so he never wanted anything!
DiMedici
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| Jul 15, 2007 @ 3:45 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Hi DiMedici. 
Sail + I posted many, many things pertaining to the existence/non-existence of the Holy Trinity.
I'm not so eager to travel down that road again.
If you truly want to learn the results of our debates, I suggest you look them up.
Sail? Are you anxious to re-visit those debates?? Am I only being a bit lazy??
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| Jul 15, 2007 @ 3:47 PM |
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DiMedici
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Well, not much need. I guess I figure when God says he is Echad (One), I bank on that.
Thanks for the offer. 
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| Jul 15, 2007 @ 3:54 PM |
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DiMedici
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Two threads just got shut down.
All the bickering!
I just got in from playing on the merry-go-round, and mod tells us to go back! 
All night like that garbage too and I get blocked!
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DiMedici
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| Jul 15, 2007 @ 3:59 PM |
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ForumMod
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two?  you're apparantly seeing double threads to go along with your double posts. 
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| Jul 15, 2007 @ 4:00 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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And hammertime, do you have a clue under all your swaggering of absolute truth?? (Which you always give the impression of generously sharing with us.  )
There can be no joy when one's own faith is vague especially if you're setting an example. --hammertime.
Very wise-sounding words.
I'll give you that. Actually I have given praise in the past to your intelligence.
But you've missed out on the real deal.
What does that quotation supposedly mean?
How are the 2 related?
(It does sound very wise though.)
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Good post Angel.
I would suggest that you come by this tidbit of wisdom through intimate experience. )
[Edited on 7/15/2007 4:07 PM]
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Sorry Angel. I did not word that correctly. I meant to suggest that it was a done deal. It had already happened. I was trying to say that you have already come by this tidbit of wisdom.
Something has already happened in your life, and you learned through that experience.
Angel the way I wrote it before, (and I think the way you understood it), is something like an insult.
Angel! I consider us to be pretty good friends by now!
As someone has accused me before, I won't say disparaging things about my friends in a public venue. 
[Edited on 7/15/2007 4:32 PM]
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| Jul 15, 2007 @ 4:13 PM |
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Angel54214
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Good post Angel.
I would suggest that you come by this tidbit of wisdom through intimate experience.
No cause I don't wanna get shot! It doesn't take much to be in a line of fire here. 
I be peaceful and joyful instead... 
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| Jul 15, 2007 @ 4:13 PM |
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hammertime
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Go back and read it again. I posted very simple statements so you're either playing dumb to avoid responding or you're really unable to see the truth in the post. Like I said, its your way to be vague and you use that as a tool to avoid answering simple questions or tackling concepts.
Happiness vs Joy? More semantic mental masturbation.
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| Jul 15, 2007 @ 8:34 PM |
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Angel54214
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Sorry Angel. I did not word that correctly. I meant to suggest that it was a done deal. It had already happened. I was trying to say that you have already come by this tidbit of wisdom.
Something has already happened in your life, and you learned through that experience.
Angel the way I wrote it before, (and I think the way you understood it), is something like an insult.
Angel! I consider us to be pretty good friends by now!
As someone has accused me before, I won't say disparaging things about my friends in a public venue
Not to worry "Servant", we as Christians forgive before we are forgiven. We are our own self witnesses to judgement of tests as we are the testers.
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| Jul 15, 2007 @ 8:51 PM |
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kattsmeow
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We may not agree in our beliefs but that doesn't mean we have to be enemies. That's why I suggested that we find some beliefs that we have in common.
I agree! Now, what do we talk about?? Just joking of course!
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| Jul 16, 2007 @ 1:10 AM |
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DoorWatcher
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Ya know what ties so many of us together on these R & S threads? The desire to understand AND the desire to be of assistance. I only visit every so many days since my new work schedule and I skim the many back-and-forth comments, and I consistently see a debate of doctrine, mere words, yet the ultimate core beliefs remain the same. I admit upfront I do not understand the vehemence applied against another's beliefs -- probably because I have yet to fully form mine. But looking around this big ole MD site, I still see folks who have loving hearts, who give freely of themselves to help others, who welcome a stray cat who has nothing much to add.
OP: Did Jesus envision Christianity as it is today? No, I don't believe he did. Does that take away from his Divinity? I don't know...maybe so. Was he God or was He the Son of God? And what all does that mean??? Geez...so much Unknown to decipher. Isn't it enough to take His Red Words and value them for what they contributed to a hungry society...why all this gotta be...didn't happen shit???
Sorry.
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