| Aug 29, 2007 @ 9:46 AM |
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Thor1960303
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Anyone hear of this???http://www.fixedearth.com/
I mean,come on,guys,give it up,Copernicus, Galileo and Kepler pretty much debunked the earth being the center of the universe,so what's the point here?
It does however raise an important theological question.If the earth isn't the center of the universe,and we are indeed just a tiny speck on the edge of a non nondescript galaxy, doesn't that rule out the religious idea that mankind is the crowning achievement of the Almighty.It sort of makes us non important.
According to the fixed earth people, the earth IS the center of the universe and ENTIRE universe,as they see it,is only half a light day in diameter.Guess they haven't heard of the Hubble telescope.
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| Aug 29, 2007 @ 10:15 AM |
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hammertime
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I think I posted this some months ago in one of my threads. I forgot where.. Sick people in charge of educating the young. Another situation of mental abuse of children by wanting to teach them biblical fiction..... There is also some antisemism connected with this issue because it references Kaballah and some conspiracy with science. You're dealing with some very mentally ill religious people in Georgia. This story might as well be in a sequel to Deliverance but I'm not sure if Ned Beatty will agree on starring in another scene where he squeals again.
http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/georgia/entries/2007/02/15/antievolution_m.html
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| Sep 2, 2007 @ 6:41 PM |
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AnnGray
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*chokes*
hay, is the earth still round or did I miss the memo that its proven flat..again...
*sigh* I sware that i have to hang my head in shame thanks to the Christian Neanderthals that refuse to believe that creation is profoundly more complex a d beyond any human comprehension. If creation really was so narrow and simple to explain (meaning the world is flat, the sun revolves around the earth, we are the center of the universe, there is no such thing as blood circulation..) it makes god look like a kid playing with silly putty.
Cant we just pack a bunch of them on to a shuttle and drop them off on the moon? Maybe a first hand view of infinite space will crack open an eye or two to a more liberal outlook on god, creation, and life itself. (oh I’m going to burn for using the “L” word!!)
btw.. while talking to a home school family from my last church, the mother refused to teach biology..apperntly blood circulation is a lie!! And to think that all of these years I have been eating right for my heart.. who woulda thunk that it was all a lie and there is no such thing as a circulatory system and heart attacks are all in our heads.
*bangs head on keyboard*
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| Sep 3, 2007 @ 2:38 AM |
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kjac
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As I said in a previous thread, if there are those willing to believe the Earth is only 48,000 years old, then believing the earth is flat and the center of the universe isn't that much of a stretch for them. It's part of what I call the religious retardation of facts, and it's what is wrong with religion.
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| Sep 3, 2007 @ 2:04 PM |
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sparechange64
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It never ceases to amaze me how much time non-believers spend trying to bedunk religion ... it's even comical 
The fact is, is that you have no conclusive proof that it didn't happen that way ... no conclusive proof that it happened another way. Again and again and again I have debated with most of the people around here and have proven again and again and again this point of no conclusive proof
1. Thor - you simply cannot prove it isn't
2. Hammer - still trying to talk smack against them eh - you seem obsessed
3. Ann - you give examples that are simply attacks and not thoughtful debate
4. kjac - retardation? you and I have been around this many times ... do not know where this 48k came from as most believe 6-8k ... however besides the point is that you CANNOT prove it is older than that
Christians do not go around telling you evolutionists that you are retards or neanderthals or anything else - AND IF THEY DO, I would question if they really are a Christian
And listen to a very important point here: all the childish behavior here; calling people names and making fun of them - shows all your true selves ... that really, you are afraid it might be true .. that you must practice this childish and hateful behavior to justify your fear ...
If you were not afraid of it, then you would simply ignore it
It's sad that when people push and push and push when a person makes a poor comment, some of you are the first ones to point the finger about their behavior ... and yet some of you act this way everyday ... I do not know how what you expect in life, WHY you continue to persecute religion, and generally you can even look in the mirror when you treat people like this ... it's disgusting 
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| Sep 3, 2007 @ 2:17 PM |
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Angel54214
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"sparechange"  
Too much youtube and late night Fox news!
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| Sep 3, 2007 @ 4:22 PM |
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AnnGray
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I have never ever "bedunk" (?) religion. In fact, faith in itself singularly for me is what defines me. I have faith. Maybe not YOUR faith, but faith I have.
Secondly, your definition of childish behavior takes you way off into the left field of this discussion. If your threatened by debate, perhaps you should pull back and evaluate just how secure in your beliefs you are. I myself love to hear and embrace other points of view - how else am i to question and grow my own beliefs if i don't listen and digest others?
but back to Religion attacking Science... again..
For me (since i cant speak for anyone else) all of the great sciences that seek to explore, understand, and define our existence only ultimately lend to the fact that there is a higher power and a divine plan and origin for us all. To see religious groups turn their back and decry science is such a shame. How are we to continue to grow (or evolve) with god if we sick our heads in the dirt and pretend its all what the book said - nothing more, nothing less.
I would LOVE, absolutely be happier than a kid on Christmas, if someone from the fixed earth church would post with a "wait, I think you folks have it all wrong, this is what we base our faith on" post. What a great discussion that would be!!
Cheers!!
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| Sep 3, 2007 @ 6:27 PM |
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kjac
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In this case spare, the term retardation is referring to prevention of facts, not an individual's mental state. But continue to read into it what you will. As for the 48k, that was another thread created by christians on creation. And no, I can't prove the earth is older than 6-8k. I don't need to. Carbon dating, spectrometers, and fossils do that for me. All three are attempted to be retarded (prevention) by the religious right. And the religious right fails to debunk all three.
And it has been proven that the Earth is not the center of the universe. It's not even the center of the Solar System. The only thing that revolves around the earth is a lifeless rock we call the moon.
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| Sep 3, 2007 @ 7:21 PM |
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hammertime
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If the Bible was the primary form of education we would still be riding the horse and buggy and important religious leaders would be riding around on an ass. Yeah, woman from spare ribs. I'll take mine with a cold beer.
Oh, and forget about medical doctors. Your HMO's would only reimburse your faith healers.
[Edited on 9/3/2007 7:45 PM]
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| Sep 4, 2007 @ 9:17 PM |
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stormbay
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Religion can't attack science, it can dribble out crap. The only thing it can do is attack sanity by using brute force. Let's have a look at the rational and correctness of Genesis, which describes the beginning
On the first day, yahweh created light, then separated light from darkness, and day from night,. Yet he didn't make the producers of light, (the sun and the stars) until the fourth day (1:14-19). 1:3-5 Then he spends the second day (one-sixth of his seven creative days) working on a solid firmament. This strange irrational structure, God calls heaven, is intended to separate the higher waters from the lower waters. 1:6-8
Plants are made on the third day before the sun was made, to allow them to live using their photosynthesis processes (1:14-19). 1:11 Then yahweh places the sun, moon, and stars in the firmament so that they can be used "for signs". Which is exactly what astronomers and astrologers do, read "the signs" in the universe and Zodiac in an effort to predict what will happen on Earth and how or universe operates. 1:14 Seems to me, yahweh acts like the deranged myth represented by his followers on earth and provides all the evidence within the first chapter of plagiarised OT to prove his veracity.
A sane rational mind would accept the earth as not the centre of the universe, just by observing our orbit of the sun, the evidence of our astronomical sciences and the viewable fact that we are moving around the centre of our own milky way. Even the ancients were able to discern that we are but a speck in this evolving universe.
Sparechange, its childish and disgusting to expect intelligent rational people to believe in primitive fantasy, evidenced by 3500 years of continuous religious inflicted and inspired ongoing war. To ask us to believe god is good, whilst all the verifiable evidence supports, god is bad and a warmongering mythical fear. Or telling us viewable definable science is wrong, compared to your unviewable, unverifiable, undefinable and unsupportable dogmatic religious insanity. But then again, what else can you expect from primitive infantile minds, but delusional illusion. If the primitive belief in god wasn't so destructive, people would just try to humour gods followers, and try to direct them to the proper psychiatric help.
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| Sep 4, 2007 @ 9:30 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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The only thing that revolves around the earth is a lifeless rock we call the moon.
Hey, without that lifeless rock, life as we know it would have a helluva time existing on earth - it's the thing preventing the earth from being a constant hurricane zone. I do wonder how much is really out there now though - the closest galaxy other than our own Milky Way is about 20 million light years away, so what we're seeing is actually a peek into the distant past...ever wonder what's going on out there right now, as we type? Is there intelligent life out there, trying to communicate and sending signals we won't receive here for a billion years, or is entropy setting in, with stars blinking out, one by one, without our even realizing it for another trillion trillion years?
Storm - you're referring to the god of Abraham....deists believe that our god created this wonder and gave it to us, with only the direction of our own consciences to guide us, the inner voice that speaks to all of us if we let it, as opposed to 'the voices' that tell us to kill and destroy.
Have a great night everyone!
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| Sep 4, 2007 @ 9:49 PM |
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hammertime
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Storm - you're referring to the god of Abraham Oh yes, the God of Abraham. Abraham, a lunatic who heard the voice of god in his head telling him to murder his son but was spared by when another hallucination of an angel tells him to stop. This is the model for obedient psychopathic piety and thousands of years of blood lust.
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| Sep 4, 2007 @ 10:56 PM |
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Angel54214
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Do I have to teach you the correct bible literature on all that too??? Gee gags! 
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| Sep 4, 2007 @ 11:01 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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In the past little while you've been leading me to believe that you were approaching something close to an understanding of spiritual things.
But this last post of yours reads like a cry of frustration hammertime.
Try as you might, (while leaning on your own wisdom)---you're just unable to get it.
Sorry.
Proverbs 3:5--"Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding."
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| Sep 4, 2007 @ 11:07 PM |
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Angel54214
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I really like your challenge posts "stormbay", you make Angel think ya know? 
Plants are made on the third day before the sun was made, to allow them to live using their photosynthesis processes (1:14-19). Let's take a look what the scripture REALLY says...
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day. Very important word there....seed. Another observation, I remember summers of days and days without sunlight and even without rain, especially here in CA. We haven't received a drop of rain since May. The trees are still green and bear great fruit! Seems to me logically that water retains within the earth to feed the trees and plants when it does not rain. You suppose this was possible when God created them as well? Let's see shall we?
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. Now in order for the the earth to be let dry, it had to be WET first right? 
I believe scientists would agree with me...
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| Sep 4, 2007 @ 11:18 PM |
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Angel54214
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I like this one hammer!
If the Bible was the primary form of education we would still be riding the horse and buggy and important religious leaders would be riding around on an ass. Just think! We would have cleaner air, more money cause we wouldn't need gasoline or vehicle mechanics, we wouldn't have as many accidents on the roads and have less drunk drivers in fast lanes. There wouldn't be so many car thefts for all the buggies would look alike in same models. The religious activists would have to clean up all the dung mess their asses leave behind!
And all that dung can be burned for fuel like it was way way back in the ancient days.
Who knows, we maybe be heading back to those days if all the car corporations keep moving their factories to other countries. Then the president will have to ride a you know what!
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| Sep 4, 2007 @ 11:22 PM |
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hammertime
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I have no frustration at all because its not my delusion. But I know you got it and its not good in the least. Worshiping such evil is bad for your health.
Angel
I believe scientists would agree with me... There are no scientists that believe the universe let alone the world was created in 6 days. Thats pure fable and thats a fact.
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| Sep 4, 2007 @ 11:51 PM |
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hammertime
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Heaven,
You're pretty much on the money with respect to the universe. Its huge. We have over 100 billion stars in our galaxy alone and there are over 125 billion galaxies in the universe. Muliply 100 billion by 125 billion and you get
100,000,000,000 times
125,000,000,000
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12,500,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars
and thats only the observable universe.
If there is any life out there and likely there is if you know the Drake Equation, it would take an astronomical amount of time for the signal to reach earth. Our transmissions have only reached 40+ light years so it only another 999,960 more light years to reach the next galaxy. Our very own galaxy, the milky way, is about 100,000 light years in diameter.
The only hope for faster than light communication is to warp or fold space or use something very strange called quantum entanglement that is beyond use for us at this point. We're not yet evolved enough to make use of anything. Its very possible we're being watched too and I'm sure they're not going to make themselves known with all the religiosity going on with this planet. We're already on the verge of destroying ourselves into extinction.
We're not quiet a Type 1 Civilization, thats 100 years away and the internet itself is a major factor in our evolution so there is some hope. Some calculate it will be the year 7800 when and if we reach Type III Civilization. Other's disagree and think it will be another million years. A relatively short time given the universe is only 15,000,000,000 years old.
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| Sep 5, 2007 @ 12:15 AM |
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hammertime
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I forgot to mention. That was only ONE universe and there just may be billions of those too. The so called Big Bang (neither big nor a real bang) is a consequent of two branes in hyperspace intersecting at a point and then expanding to what we see as our universe. Genesis is continuous. Universes may be popping into and out of existence like soap bubbles in a tub. That's the latest and greatest. We'll have confirmation of this theory when LISA gets launched in 2015. LISA (Laser Interferometer Space Antenna) will allow us look back right at the very beginning of time itself. This is way beyond what the Hubble telescope can do now. I can't wait. 
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| Sep 5, 2007 @ 12:36 AM |
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Angel54214
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Angel
I believe scientists would agree with me...
Hammer
There are no scientists that believe the universe let alone the world was created in 6 days. Thats pure fable and thats a fact. Hammer, I think you missed what I said as to what I believe scientists would agree with me (I didn't mention anything about the universe or the creation of 6 days). I said this...
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. Now in order for the the earth to be let dry, it had to be WET first right? |
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