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hammertime
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Look at this group of lunatics so aptly named video.
SOC Filled with Spirit 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDxbhgmk3VE
So tell me. Is this the mental implosion Christians do to screw up their brains and then they call it seeing god, Jesus, awe of the lord or some other sick nonsense?
Doesn't this look like a mental ward? This is Christianity...... 
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| Jun 2 @ 10:17 PM |
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LanceVarden7
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Lance.....................what a wonderful and brave statement. I so admire you Wow, thank-you LD
Me too Lance! I admire you bringing your enlightment to share with us by the awes of our Lord. Thanks Angel
Sad to say It but I Am Begaining to believe there is no end to the depths of your shameful behavior.
We are told we will be held accountable for every idle word that comes out of our mouths. hunt, it was not about you. It was not to you. I think everyone has had enough of your criticisms.
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| Jun 3 @ 6:21 AM |
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Thor1960303
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Look at this group of lunatics so aptly named video.
That's actually quite sad to me.Mental illness being passed off as a spiritual "gift".And the call us sinners.
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| Jun 3 @ 7:30 AM |
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hammertime
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SOC
What did you think of the video? How come you you never respond to Thor's posts?
Thor
I see that video as I've seen others and I can never get over the obvious and deliberate damage being done to people's minds and lives.
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| Jun 3 @ 8:02 AM |
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LanceVarden7
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How come you you never respond to Thor's posts? Alright, I will take a shot.
That's actually quite sad to me.Mental illness being passed off as a spiritual "gift".And the call us sinners. EVERYONE has sinned, not just non-Christians.
To call someone else mentally ill is silly and irrelevant.
It's not about "gifts"I also dislike "I am favored by God" attitudes, but I don't see how telling a "this is what happened to me" type of story should bother anyone.
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| Jun 3 @ 8:18 AM |
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hammertime
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Yeah Lance, but it kind of makes someone wonder what exactly Christians consider mental illness when they reject the honor of that title.
To call someone else mentally ill is silly and irrelevant. No, its just accurate and documented as with the Jerusalem Syndrome. And you saw the video don't think those people are mentally ill?
The fact is, such resulting behaviors, the emotional dysfunction, the cognitive distortions and the hallucinations. Are these considered gifts of the holy spirit? Hearing voices, seeing things that aren't there, feeling invisible hands pushing on them, verbal conversations with god with questions and answers. You think there are not symptoms of a mental disorder?
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| Jun 3 @ 8:27 AM |
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LanceVarden7
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No, its just accurate and documented as with the Jerusalem Syndrome. And you saw the video don't think those people are mentally ill? Of course it is not accurate.
Thor is no psychiatrist. Even if he was, he has not had the opportunity to examine and interview anyone on here to make such a diagnosis.
He has just read a few posts on a forum board, and since they disagree with what he believes, anyone who disagrees with him, must be mentally incompetent
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| Jun 3 @ 8:38 AM |
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sail_dancer
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Lance,
To call someone else mentally ill is silly and irrelevant.
It's not about "gifts"I also dislike "I am favored by God" attitudes, but I don't see how telling a "this is what happened to me" type of story should bother anyone.
Have you ever viewed the film "Harvey"? It is a story about Elwood P. Dowd who has an imaginary friend (a pooka). His friend happens to be an invisible white rabbit who stands about six feet tall (between 6' 1" and 6' 6"). Harvey has many special powers. He can stop clocks with just a glance. He can make things vanish. He can help people to re-experience memories they have long forgotten. He seems to know just about everything. Harvey's favorite past time is to spend his "down time" going from bar to bar with Elwood.
There is not much difference between this story and the rantings of many christians claiming to have seen, heard, conversed with or actually been pushed by Jesus. Why is it people consider Elwood to be mentally unstable because he has a relationship with a six foot plus invisible white rabbit, but consider christians that claim a relationship with an invisible Jesus as normal?
Peace
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| Jun 3 @ 8:46 AM |
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hammertime
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Of course it is not accurate. Is it a faked video? What about Jesus camp? Faked? What about lunatic Filipino Christians that get themselves whipped bloody and then nailed to a cross? Sorry Lance, they're not acting and the photos and videos speak for themselves.
What about all the televangelists doing psychic healings right on TV? Fake? Yes, Faked no.
How can any of that even consider itself to be spirituality? How can insanity be good for anyone?
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| Jun 3 @ 9:08 AM |
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16knots
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No, everyone does not sin. Only those who believe they are sinners sin.
Others can have a much wiser view on the ideology of sinners.
Its all in your perception.
[Edited on 6/3/2008 9:13 AM]
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| Jun 3 @ 9:12 AM |
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hammertime
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Of course its perception. If we use the bible as a moral guide we can bash women, children, homosexuals to death and it would not be a sin. We can murder our neighbor for worshiping the wrong god and it would not be a sin.
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| Jun 3 @ 9:25 AM |
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LanceVarden7
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Have you ever viewed the film "Harvey"? It is a story about Elwood P. Dowd who has an imaginary friend (a pooka). His friend happens to be an invisible white rabbit who stands about six feet tall (between 6' 1" and 6' 6"). Harvey has many special powers. He can stop clocks with just a glance. He can make things vanish. He can help people to re-experience memories they have long forgotten. He seems to know just about everything. Harvey's favorite past time is to spend his "down time" going from bar to bar with Elwood.
There is not much difference between this story and the rantings of many christians claiming to have seen, heard, conversed with or actually been pushed by Jesus. Why is it people consider Elwood to be mentally unstable because he has a relationship with a six foot plus invisible white rabbit, but consider christians that claim a relationship with an invisible Jesus as normal? LOL, yes but, if you remember, "Harvey" turned out to be real in the end.
No, everyone does not sin. Only those who believe they are sinners sin. So, if you murder someone, but do not believe you are a murderer, then you aren't a murderer?
If you tell a lie, but don't believe you are a liar, then you are not a liar?
Makes no sense to me.
If we use the bible as a moral guide we can bash women, children, homosexuals to death and it would not be a sin. We can murder our neighbor for worshiping the wrong god and it would not be a sin. Yep, if you believe the OT version of God.
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| Jun 3 @ 9:29 AM |
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hammertime
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Yep, if you believe the OT version of God. And many do. Many Christians are more obsessive about the OT than even Jews are. Notice that Jews do not stone anyone anymore. Obviously they do not consider those verses moral guides for them. I'm not saying they're morally on the right track but generally Jews, except for a few, do not carry out archaic directives. Muslims do most of the stoning now. They also cut of hands of thieves, feet too or they just lop your head off.
I think Lewis Black explains this very well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWqtpqQjNug&feature=related
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| Jun 3 @ 9:36 AM |
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16knots
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Lance:
So, if you murder someone, but do not believe you are a murderer, then you aren't a murderer?
If you tell a lie, but don't believe you are a liar, then you are not a liar?
Makes no sense to me.
Because you have been far too long indoctrinated and dont realize it I would say.
Why, because you have been educated to think that way based on Christianity.
What is murder but of taking life. Murder to one man is justice to another. Innocent people are murdered in execution chambers because the law says so in their wrongness. Innocent peoples are murdered because a war says so. So forth....
If a lie saves a life does it qualify to be wrong?
The Parable of the Burning House
Sariputra, let us suppose that somewhere...[there was a householder who was] wealthy and enjoying life. Suppose that he had a great mansion....And suppose that this mansion had a single door....And suppose that all of a sudden the whole mansion burst forth into flames, that the householder managed himself to get out, but that he had several little boys who were still inside....
So he called out to the little boys: “Come, my children, get out! The house is ablaze with a mass of flames! Do not stay there, or you will all be burned in the conflagration and come to misfortune and disaster!”
But the little boys did not pay any attention to the words of the man, though he desired only their well-being. They were not perturbed, not afraid, not frightened....Instead, they ran around playing here and there, occasionally gazing out at their father. Why? Simply because of their being foolish children.
So then, Sariputra, the man thought: “...I should by some skillful means [upaya] cause these children to come out of the house.” Now the man knew the mental dispositions of his children and understood their interests, and he knew that there were many kinds of toys that pleased them....So he said to them: “Children, all of those toys that are pleasing to you—for instance, little ox carts, goat carts, and deer carts—so dear and captivating; well, I have put all of them outside the gate of the house! I will give each of you whatever you need and want. Come quickly! Come out for the sake of these playthings!”
Now, does it make sense?
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| Jun 3 @ 9:36 AM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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And if you believe only the OT.
Only if you do not include in your beliefs, the grace purchased with Christ's blood.
Only if you base your conclusion on an incomplete amount of the data available to them?
Jesus Christ changed everything.
[Edited on 6/3/2008 9:39 AM]
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| Jun 3 @ 9:37 AM |
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LanceVarden7
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And many do. Many Christians are more obsessive about the OT than even Jews are. Well, many say they do, but I don't believe them.
I think it is like the old "I belive every single word of the bible is absolutely true" mantra that is continously repeated by dogma parrots who have no idea what is in there, let lone if they believe it all or not.
If they really believed it, they would be very busy - until they wound up in jail. If we follow the OT, we have alot of blood-letting to do.
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| Jun 3 @ 9:41 AM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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We certainly do Lance.
Good post.
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| Jun 3 @ 9:47 AM |
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hammertime
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We certainly do Lance.
Good post.
Right, and you were defending fellow psychopath Abraham for going to murder his own son. Do you have a clue what goes on in your head? Don't you even remember anything you say or do?
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| Jun 3 @ 9:56 AM |
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hammertime
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Lance
what you're saying is that despite what the bible says people decide for themselves what is good. 
Thats the moral zeitgeist in action....
We don't burn witches anymore. We don't stone people to death (except in parts of the mideast), we don't have crusades, we don't have inquisitions. Obviously humanity morally evolved not because of religion but in spite of it.
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| Jun 3 @ 10:08 AM |
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sail_dancer
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Lance,
LOL, yes but, if you remember, "Harvey" turned out to be real in the end.
Only a christian would get that out of the ending.
"Real"? Not even close! The fact that some people need fantasy to face the world, yes.
Elwood said:"Well, I've wrestled with reality for thirty-five years, Doctor, and I'm happy to state I finally won out over it." So Elwood himself admits to leaving reality (real world) to be in a happy delusional world.
Elwood also said:"In this world, Elwood, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant."
He was referring to his mother's outlook on life.
There were many parallels to religious beliefs in this movie. Too bad christians don't recognize them. You see christians just want to see Elwood as normal so that they can see themselves as normal also.
Who was crazier? The happy Elwood with his imaginary rabbit, or the people who want him to be 100% sane and less happy?
This is exactly how christians want others to look at their imaginary beliefs. The problem is that history proves that christian dogma is dangerous to mankind in general. I have no problem with people being happy in their delusion. I do have problems with the fact that christian delusions have killed millions in the name of their "pooka".
Peace
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