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LanceVarden7
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Only a christian would get that out of the ending.
"Real"? Not even close! The fact that some people need fantasy to face the world, yes. Actually, I never saw the ending. A couple of friends of mine did an earlier scene for a theatre class in college and they told me the rabbit turned out to be real in the end.
SOC: I wasn't meaning you are a "dogma parrott" (hunt maybe)
Knots: I make alot of sense out of most of your stuff, but not this.
Only those who believe they are sinners sin. What is murder but of taking life. Murder to one man is justice to another. So, since Charlie Manson thinks he is not a murderer, he is innocent?
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| Jun 3 @ 11:02 AM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Thank you Lance. (I didn't think that you were referring to me. I only meant that if they did really believe it, we certainly would have alot of blood-letting to do.
Don't think twice about it Lance.
Absolutely no foul. 
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| Jun 3 @ 11:03 AM |
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16knots
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Lance:
Knots: I make alot of sense out of most of your stuff, but not this. Only those who believe they are sinners sin.
What is murder but of taking life. Murder to one man is justice to another. So, since Charlie Manson thinks he is not a murderer, he is innocent?
I stand by "Only those who believe they are sinners sin."
Charlie Manson believed he wasnt a sinner. Christian society believes he is a sinner. The legal system believes he is a criminal. Non-Christians believe he is a criminal or whatever they wish to perceive him to be.
But forget Charlie Manson. Ho many so called killers have been called sinners when actually they committed no crime, they were innocent.
Killing to a Christian is a sin. To other folks it is not a sin but a crime. Yet some who are judged a killer or sinner are truthfully innocent.
The point is that "belief" in sinning lays directly at the foot of the ideology that believes in sinning. No other place.
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| Jun 3 @ 11:07 AM |
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LanceVarden7
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Ok, so are you defining crime as breaking man's laws, and sin as breaking God's laws?
How about Hitler or Stalin? They killed millions and it was perfectly legal. Was that not a sin?
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| Jun 3 @ 12:08 PM |
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sail_dancer
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So, since Charlie Manson thinks he is not a murderer, he is innocent?
Seems to me that Moses; Joshua and other OT characters make Charlie Manson look like a saint. They all did what they did because their god told them to but Charlie happened to be born in a time where most people don't believe that kind of claim.
If Moses and Joshua tried to get away with that line today, they too would find themselves on death row. It is all in perspection.
Peace
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| Jun 3 @ 12:11 PM |
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16knots
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Lance, you are missing the point. It is about your perception.
Only those who believe they are sinners sin.
You have to believe in sinning to believe yourself or another sins.
I am sure Stalin and Hitler never believed in sinning. It wasnt part of their ideology. A Christian believes in sinning. Others do not.
Even when we take the Christian belief in sinning, in most parts it doesnt make sense. I gave two good examples already.
To kill is a sin. To lie is a sin.
But people kill all the time for good reasons and bad reasons according to whatever belief system they have, may it be the law of the land or another religion. Only to the Christian does he see sin.
Same with a lie. Good or bad.
Its all with the perceiver whether it is right view or not.
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| Jun 3 @ 12:19 PM |
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hammertime
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sin and laws involved evaluating behaviors based on some standard. What standard are we agreeing to within a society?
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| Jun 3 @ 12:53 PM |
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LanceVarden7
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Seems to me that Moses; Joshua and other OT characters make Charlie Manson look like a saint. They all did what they did because their god told them to but Charlie happened to be born in a time where most people don't believe that kind of claim.
If Moses and Joshua tried to get away with that line today, they too would find themselves on death row. It is all in perspection. Absolutely correct.
I think that what Hitler and Stalin did was a crime against humanity.
Joshua commited a genocide on the Anakites, first by killing them and taking their city, then exhaustively haunting them down elsewhere and killing them.
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| Jun 3 @ 1:00 PM |
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16knots
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I think that what Hitler and Stalin did was a crime against humanity.
Undoubtedly, but others loved them for it and still do. 
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| Jun 3 @ 1:22 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Undoubtedly, but others loved them for it and still do.
Again........Perspective!
Peace
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| Jun 6 @ 11:09 AM |
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Thor1960303
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Thor is no psychiatrist. Even if he was, he has not had the opportunity to examine and interview anyone on here to make such a diagnosis.
Have you ever seen the schizophrenic homeless that walk the streets and talk to passing buses?Do you need a degree in psychology or be a licensed psychiatrist to deem them nuts?
A person who disagrees with me may not necessarily be mentally ill,but a person who sees something that is not there has something inside their head going on that's NOT normal.
These people who have "seen the Lord",why have they not taken pictures or videos?Anything that can be seen can be photographed,unless it's only seen inside the viewer's mind,in which case that's called imagination or hallucination,take your pick.
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| Jun 6 @ 6:34 PM |
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Jankia
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I take it Thor that youve never seen the excitement of your children or seen the love you have for them. Do you have pictures that prove whats seen through your heart like love or friendship or would those be hallucinations only in your head?
To actually see the Lord all you have to do is see his glory.Youve seen it yourself whether you believe it or not.
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| Jun 6 @ 6:43 PM |
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hammertime
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Willful ignorance and a delusional rant. Totally senseless....
To actually see the Lord all you have to do is see his glory
Happy Hallucinations... 
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| Jun 6 @ 6:47 PM |
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hammertime
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Its really a shame some people want to promote insanity. Seeing things that aren't there. Hearing voices. Visual, auditory, and somatic hallucinations. Talking gibberish tongues. Are Christians so desperate they have to rely on mental illnesses to support their dogma?
http://meta-religion.com/Psychiatry/The_Paranormal/hallucinations.htm
HALLUCINATIONS
Hallucinations may occur secondary to tumors or seizures involving the occipital, parietal, frontal, and temporal lobe, or arise secondary to drugs, toxic exposure, high fevers, general infections, exhuastion, starvation, extreme thirst, partial or complete hearing loss including otosclerosis, and with partial or complete blindness such as due to glacoma (Bartlet, 1951; Flournoy 1923; Lindal et al. 1994; Pesme, 1939; Rhein, 1913; Ross et al., 1975; Rozanski & Rosen, 1952; Semrad, 1938; Tarachow, 1941). Interestingly, when secondary to peripheral hearing loss, frequently individuals report hearing certain songs and melodies from their childhood --melodies which they had usually long forgotten. In addition, individuals suffering from cortical blindness, i.e. Anton's syndrome (Redlich & Dorsey, 1945) and deafness (Brown, 1972), as well as those recovering from Wernicke's aphasia, frequently experience hallucinations.
In general, hallucinations secondary to loss of visual or auditory input appears to be secondary to the interpretation of neural noise and the spontaneous activation of associated neural circuits. That is, with loss of input various brain regions begin to extract or assign meaningful significance to random neural events, or to whatever input may be received. Thus we find that subjects will hallucinate when placed in sensory reduced environments or even when movement is restricted (Lilly, 1956, 1972; Lindsley, 1961; Shurley, 1962; Zuckerman & Cohen, 1964).
Conversely, hallucinations can occur due to increased levels of neural noise or spontaneous activation of various neural circuits. For example, if an area of the neocortex is abnormally activated that area in turn may act to interpret its own neural activity and may even assign emotional or religious significance to whatever is perceived. However, the degree and type of interpretative activity depends on the type of processing performed in the region involved. For example, tumors or electrical stimulation of the occipital lobe produce simple hallucinations such as colors, stars, spots, balls of fire, flashes of light. Tumors invading the parietal lobe may induce somesthetic hallucinations, including burning, engorgement, stiffness, or electric-shock like pain. TEMPORAL LOBE HALLUCINATIONS
With superior temporal involvement the patient may experience crude noises, such as buzzing, roaring sounds, bells, and an occasional voice or sounds of music (Penfield & Jasper, 1954; Penfield & Perot, 1963), including clicking, ticking, humming, whispering, and ringing, most of which are localized as coming from opposite side of the room. Patients may complain that sounds seem louder and/or softer than normal, closer and/or more distant, strange or even upleasant (Hecaen & Albert, 1978). There is often a repetitive quality which makes the experience even more disagreeable.
However, with anterior, inferior temporal lobe abnormalities, the hallucinations become increasing complex consisting of both auditory and visual features, including faces, people, objects, animals, etc.
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| Jun 6 @ 7:03 PM |
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Jankia
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Your so desperate you have to rely on using mental illness as a way to support your fractured mind whenever you do what your good friend knots cries about all the time on here...trolling whenever I post.
Must be a sad and lonely life living on here all day waiting for a Christain to chastise.
Your laughter at yourself doesnt cover well for your insanity on here.
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| Jun 6 @ 7:47 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Why do we bother with anyone in their little coven? 
Do any of them ever post anything that makes you drool with excitement in anticipation of engaging one of them in conversation?
 No. Me either.
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| Jun 6 @ 8:19 PM |
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sealacamp
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Do any of them ever post anything that makes you drool with excitement in anticipation of engaging one of them in conversation?
That is beyond their abilities unless you agree with every little thing they say.
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| Jun 6 @ 8:47 PM |
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16knots
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Jankia:
I take it Thor that youve never seen the excitement of your children or seen the love you have for them.
What does that have to do with anything
Do you have pictures that prove whats seen through your heart like love or friendship or would those be hallucinations only in your head?
What does this have to do with "Testimonies of those who have seen the Lord". More to the point Jankia, do you have any photos as testament to the lord, that is, photos of him?
To actually see the Lord all you have to do is see his glory.Youve seen it yourself whether you believe it or not.
Are you saying we should all carry cameras just in case he walks down the street and says, "Hi Heathen?"
Love, compassion, wisdom, joy and equanimity is not a Christian monopoly! No God necessary, no Jesus necessary and no Lord necessary of any size, shape or form.
These are all qualities within ourselves.
Be weary of delusional people seeing Gods.
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| Jun 6 @ 8:50 PM |
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Jankia
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Yes seal,it actually becomes amusing to me to see who those are that do drool over them. Fortunatly only a select few do think the same as they do.Its good there are good folks who arent religious on here to remind us all that good people can be different with compassion.
Its also good to know that most can actually read with understanding. 
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| Jun 6 @ 8:50 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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2Corinthians 6:14-- "Do not be yolked with unBelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15--What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a Believer have in common with an unBeliever 16--What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the Living God. As God has said: 'I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.' Lev.26:12; Jer. 32:38; Ezek. 37:27 17--" 'Therefore come out from them and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you.' Isaiah 25:11; Ezek. 20:34, 41 18--'I will be a father to you, and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.' 2Samuel 7:14; 7:8
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