| Nov 17, 2007 @ 10:44 AM |
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12knots
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Wow, am going to start believing I am a millionaire, knots. We willl see if that manifests itself in my life.
Many believe that too.
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| Nov 17, 2007 @ 11:54 AM |
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bevrice
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Lol, and THAT is a joke, too, a good laugh.
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| Nov 17, 2007 @ 12:05 PM |
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12knots
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So you believe it then?
I wonder then why you posted the original statement.
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| Nov 17, 2007 @ 1:55 PM |
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bevrice
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I was being facetious, I am sorry.
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| Nov 17, 2007 @ 1:58 PM |
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12knots
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hrmmmmm.... you have to be careful as to what you write* or make jokes about because of "causation".
If it is negative action then you will hurt the other person and yourself ultimately.
"Consequence" and I know you to be a good person.
*corrected
[Edited on 11/17/2007 2:03 PM]
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| Nov 17, 2007 @ 2:01 PM |
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bevrice
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Thank you, knot. Generally you and I can agree and disagree in a peaceful manner, I like that. I know you are a good person, too.
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| May 27 @ 1:39 PM |
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hammertime
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Should bump up the thread that shows proof that Christians suffer mental illness by having hallucinations and delusions...
This is a good place to start...
Nov 17, 2007 @ 9:45 AM
http://www.matchdoctor.com/thread_87_24370_4/Testimonies_of_those_who_have_seen_the_Lord.html
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| May 27 @ 3:38 PM |
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hunt4luv
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Hammer you really need a better Life. Me thinks you need Jesus in your Heart! 
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| May 27 @ 7:13 PM |
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Thor1960303
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The thing that puzzles me about these "miracles".Why do they only happen in these isolated incidents and nothing is ever really verifiable?.Why is it always some individual who experiences a "miracle" about something personal(a sick relative,a bad situation,etc)?Where were the miracles on 9/11?Why does God help a boy in Alabama,but not the thousands that were trapped in the WTC buildings?Where was God and his miracles when the tsunami hit?God could move a truck out of Bev's way on a bridge,yet he can't or won't stop a tsunami,prevent a terrorist act or even stop one of his "own "from bombing an abortion clinic or drowning her children.
Miracles,praise the Lord!
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| May 27 @ 9:13 PM |
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hammertime
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Thor,
Your post reminds me of Epicurus who said.
Either God wants to abolish evil, and cannot; Or he can, but does not want to; Or he cannot and does not want to. If he wants to, but cannot, he is impotent. If he can, but does not want to, he is wicked. But, if God both can and wants to abolish evil, then how come evil is in the world?
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| May 27 @ 9:14 PM |
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hammertime
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Hunt
You are obvious mentally ill since you have stated more than once you met Jesus in person. Don't take it as an attack. Hallucinations are caused by mental illness.
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| May 27 @ 10:20 PM |
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j_goose
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Either God wants to abolish evil, and cannot; Or he can, but does not want to; Or he cannot and does not want to. If he wants to, but cannot, he is impotent. If he can, but does not want to, he is wicked. But, if God both can and wants to abolish evil, then how come evil is in the world?
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| May 27 @ 10:21 PM |
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16knots
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There is no God that can do any of these things.
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| May 27 @ 10:48 PM |
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Jankia
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Ive never believed God created the earth and the life on it to be always perfect.Those of you that are blessed with children know full well you try your hardest to give them a safe life to grow up in but you dont make an attempt to make it totally perfect...without hardships of some kind.
If you gave them everything,how would they gain anything for themselves?
Your a parent and so is God.
Would the world be better if there were nothing to fear like disease,natural disasters or sickness of any kind? Maybe...maybe not.We are over-populated today with all of these fears upon us.We are tearing up one of the most vital resources we have today in the rain-forests to make more food to feed our over populated world.
The problem in doing that is the poor arent getting the food,its going to whoever will pay the most for it.God gave us brains to feed ourselves and the hungry,he didnt give us bank accounts to fill while people starve.
Though todays devotional from the Upper Room isnt about someone that has actually seen the Lord with there eyes but they have seen the Lord with there faith.
DURING World War II, I often worried about feeding my family. One day I went to the baker's to buy three loaves of bread with my ration card. However, the baker said he couldn't give me anything because I had already used the ration coupons for that week; I couldn't use the next month's coupons as I had hoped. While I was returning home with my husband and my daughter, I was quite worried. What would I give my family to eat? My husband tried to calm me and assured me, "God will provide." But I had trouble believing him.
When we got home, I saw a huge loaf of bread on the table. I stared at it, speechless. It seemed to shine, as if it were gold. Later I found out that it had been brought by a child to whom I had given lessons. For me, though, that bread was sent from heaven. I think often of that episode when I am in difficulty, even after all these years. God knows everything, and this experience strengthened my faith that God will supply all that I need.
People can always question the why's and wherefores like they question faith.Laughing at it and calling it whatever you please only shows how much you really dont understand,simply because you dont want to.
Life isnt a free ticket to paradise,we have to help and give ourselves to this world to make it the paradise we want it to be.
That starts with the faith that it can be done,one step at a time...by each of us individually.
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| May 27 @ 10:56 PM |
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j_goose
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Your a parent and so is God.
A good parent does not subject his/her child to the sort of dangers and evils that god does.
And a good parent does not PLAN death, disaster, starvation, etc.
God Planned everything. Forn the beginning to the end. Says so in the Bible.
People can always question the why's and wherefores like they question faith.Laughing at it and calling it whatever you please only shows how much you really dont understand,simply because you dont want to.
Too often, christians think they know everyone's religious backgrounds. Just because a non believer debunks, questions, or provides historical fact, they say we just don't understand....You don't know where we came from or what religious BS brought us to where we are. This post quote of yours shows ignorance. Sorry, but it does.
Kinda silly.
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| May 27 @ 10:57 PM |
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hammertime
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Your a parent and so is God. And your post making excuses for a god that is a failed parent. Its as if you are the father and your god is the child you need to protect.
Problems of the distribution of wealth is a problem of economics, politics and natural resources. God has no part in it because there is no god to be part of it. God and faith are designed to pacify all those who are starving to death. They are given promises of a better life after they die. Death is their salvation. That is why Christianity has flourished.
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| May 27 @ 11:32 PM |
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Jankia
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goose- This post quote of yours shows ignorance. Sorry, but it does.
Kinda silly.
Funny,I had the same opinion of your profile just now after reading it.It tells me about the amount of credence I should give to your comments on here as a whole.
Says so in the Bible.
Yea...right.Since you know so much about a book you chastise I would like to have you show me where the Bible mentions anything about the God that "planned" death, disaster and starvation or 9/11 or where the Tsunami hit recently as was mentioned above.
Better yet just wait on that a minute,I'm sure one of your cronies will find some scripture to disassemble into meaning what they want it to on here again.
Yes I can say you dont understand because when you ask for proof about anything concerning our faith in God and its given,you dont accept it,because like I said...because you dont want to. Whatever your reason might be for that is fine with me but obviously its not fine with you that some of us DO understand.
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| May 27 @ 11:36 PM |
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hammertime
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show me where the Bible mentions anything about the God that "planned" death, disaster and starvation Forgot all about the flood huh?  Yes, it was planned and Noah was told ahead of time.
But the flood story is a bogus myth copied from Sumeria.
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| May 28 @ 8:32 AM |
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sail_dancer
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Jankia,
show me where the Bible mentions anything about the God that "planned" death, disaster and starvation or 9/11 or where the Tsunami hit recently as was mentioned above.
Ask and you shall receive:Genesis 6
6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
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6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die. Notice that God also included animals in his drstruction. Do animals sin? Seems to me that the OT god just liked to kill and shed blood.
Genesis 7
7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark. Again notice that even cattle were included. How could cattle have broken god's law? This god is evil to the core and shows no love whatsoever.
Genesis 12
12:17 And the LORD plagued Pharaoh and his house with great plagues because of Sarai Abram's wife. This insane god sent a plague on Egypt because of Abram's wife Sarai who was taken by Pharaoh. Why punish the people of Egypt for something that Pharaoh did? The OT god was a really nice guy wasn't he?
Genesis
18:32 And he said, Oh let not the LORD be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.
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19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
19:25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.
19:26 But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.
19:27 And Abraham gat up early in the morning to the place where he stood before the LORD:
19:28 And he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain, and beheld, and, lo, the smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace. Does that mean that god couldn't even find at least 10 good children, toddlers, infants, or babies? Why didn't he just use his power to selectively kill only the bad? I thought god could do anything. So why the children?
Now for the seven plagues sent on Egypt (scripture for only one):
Exodus 9
9:14 For I will at this time send all my plagues upon thine heart, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people; that thou mayest know that there is none like me in all the earth.
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11:4 And Moses said, Thus saith the LORD, About midnight will I go out into the midst of Egypt:
11:5 And all the firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die, from the first born of Pharaoh that sitteth upon his throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant that is behind the mill; and all the firstborn of beasts.
11:6 And there shall be a great cry throughout all the land of Egypt, such as there was none like it, nor shall be like it any more. These verses clearly show the OT god's premeditation and his lack of ability to even love the children of Egypt. Who but the biblical god could be so egotistically cruel and evil?
Exodus 32
32:27 And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.
32:28 And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men. Shows that the OT god will instruct man to kill in his name. I thought that the devil is the one that causes man to kill his own kind?
This was only from the first two books of the OT.
If you need more proof, there are many more examples in the remaining OT books and even some in the NT.
Peace
[Edited on 5/28/2008 8:39 AM]
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| May 28 @ 8:49 AM |
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hammertime
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Wow. With a god so evil who needs Satan? 
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