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16knots
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He needed Satan to pass the buck. Non-accountability. Runs through Christianity like the Grand Canyon.
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| May 28 @ 9:15 AM |
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hammertime
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But lets get back to the hallucinations because this thread is after all about that.....
Testimonies of those who have seen the Lord
Some have seen him. Some have had complete conversations with god. Some claim they met him in person and some only heard a voice.....Some never saw anything or heard a voice but instead believe those who claim did. Some people just have nothing good going on in their lives and are very superstitious. This is the only thing that makes their life interesting. Others see the truth but are evil and exploit this human weakness to make millions of dollars through their multi-million dollar ministries.
So the question is, why are there so many mentally ill, deranged and traumatized people being exploited to promote this myth?
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| May 28 @ 9:26 AM |
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sail_dancer
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Jankia,
I think you said you were Methodist. Here are a few of "The Articles of Religion of the Methodist Church".
Article V—Of the Sufficiency of the Holy Scriptures for Salvation
The Holy Scripture containeth all things necessary to salvation; so that whatsoever is not read therein, nor may be proved thereby, is not to be required of any man that it should be believed as an article of faith, or be thought requisite or necessary to salvation. In the name of the Holy Scripture we do understand those canonical books of the Old and New Testament of whose authority was never any doubt in the church. The names of the canonical books are:
Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, The First Book of Samuel, The Second Book of Samuel, The First Book of Kings, The Second Book of Kings, The First Book of Chronicles, The Second Book of Chronicles, The Book of Ezra, The Book of Nehemiah, The Book of Esther, The Book of Job, The Psalms, The Proverbs, Ecclesiastes or the Preacher, Cantica or Songs of Solomon, Four Prophets the Greater, Twelve Prophets the Less.
All the books of the New Testament, as they are commonly received, we do receive and account canonical. Note that both books that I quoted from are mentioned.
Article IX—Of the Justification of Man
We are accounted righteous before God only for the merit of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, by faith, and not for our own works or deservings. Wherefore, that we are justified by faith, only, is a most wholesome doctrine, and very full of comfort.
[QUOTE]Article X—Of Good Works
Although good works, which are the fruits of faith, and follow after justification, cannot put away our sins, and endure the severity of God's judgment; yet are they pleasing and acceptable to God in Christ, and spring out of a true and lively faith, insomuch that by them a lively faith may be as evidently known as a tree is discerned by its fruit. Good works mean nothing to god in relation to salvation. Only faith and acceptance of Jesus as Lord and Savior will result in salvation..
Article XX—Of the One Oblation of Christ, Finished upon the Cross
The offering of Christ, once made, is that perfect redemption, propitiation, and satisfaction for all the sins of the whole world, both original and actual; and there is none other satisfaction for sin but that alone. Wherefore the sacrifice of masses, in the which it is commonly said that the priest doth offer Christ for the quick and the dead, to have remission of pain or guilt, is a blasphemous fable and dangerous deceit.
These were found at:
www.umc.org
Peace
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| May 28 @ 9:40 AM |
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Thor1960303
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Ive never believed God created the earth and the life on it to be always perfect.
You missed my point.Evil in world and why it exists if there is a God was NOT where I was going.I was commenting on God's apparent favoritism when bestowing "miracles".The so called "documented proofs" that God "appeared to someone","spoke to someone"or did something "supernatural".
They're always random,individualistic events,never anything that can be independently verified and it's always some "miracle" that only helps one individual or a small group.
So what is the point of these "miracles" then?They prove nothing and only benefit a small number of people.God apparently has a really strange set of priorities about who,what and how he helps.But then I suppose that can be covered under,"The Lord works in mysterious ways."Boy,that one can cover a lot.
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| May 28 @ 9:44 AM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Regardless of the drivel you type sail, (none of which truly matters in the final analysis--in the big picture.)
All that really matter is that the Methodist faith maintains that Jesus Christ is God Himself. He is the Master to Who they all bend the knee to and joyfully serve. They believe that He is the Lord of all things.
They believe that He is their deliverance. And they believe that through Him is salvation.
 Jankia can have great confidence that he has chosen the wisest path.
He can have confidence in his eternal future. (Regardless of the doubts you always try to create.)
Jankia recognizes you. Of this I am certain. 
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| May 28 @ 9:51 AM |
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sail_dancer
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Knots,
He needed Satan to pass the buck. Non-accountability. Runs through Christianity like the Grand Canyon.
That is what confuses me. The ancient Hebrews obviously recognized the things their god did and instructed his followers to do. They took the time and effort to record these atrocities in scriptures so that no one would forget them. Similar to how current day Jews keep reminding the world of Hitler's holocaust.
So when did someone change the scriptures to place the blame of evil deeds on a so called devil? Was it the ancient Hebrew leaders or the founders of Christianity?
Either way, someone set out to change the concept that god was good and evil. They created the devil so that they could look at their god as all loving and peaceful.
Peace
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| May 28 @ 9:55 AM |
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hammertime
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What is mindless drivel is the garbage faith you worship without veracity and copied from older myths in the most important details. Like what is the big deal what Methodists believe when there is no foundation for such ridiculous beliefs. They are myths copied from older myths. There are many dozens of man-gods who got resurrected. Dozens of virgin birth. Thousands of miracles repeated by all the myths..
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| May 28 @ 10:11 AM |
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sail_dancer
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SOC,
Regardless of the drivel you type sail, (none of which truly matters in the final analysis--in the big picture.) So the fact that the christian word of god records the atrocities your god committed does not truly matter? Seems that the ancient Hebrews went out of their way to record these things so that mankind would never forget. Similar to current day Jews recording for history Hitler's holocaust. Why were they recorded, if not to be remembered?
All that really matter is that the Methodist faith maintains that Jesus Christ is God Himself. He is the Master to Who they all bend the knee to and joyfully serve. They believe that He is the Lord of all things.
They believe that He is their deliverance. And they believe that through Him is salvation.
Jankia can have great confidence that he has chosen the wisest path.
You missed the point. Jankia in more than one post in the past has stated that he did not believe that nonchristians would be automatically damned. He said that good people of all religions would be saved.
Seems that he says he is Methodist, but does not truly accept Methodist Doctrine.
Again your reaction was wrong. You are too easily angered. As I suggested before. until you put to sleep your doubts, they will continue to haunt you and cause this type of reaction.
You jump at me because you blame me for your doubts, you should really blame your religious leaders and their dogma. It is they that failed to provide you with enough substantiated proof to erase your doubts.
Peace
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| May 28 @ 10:15 AM |
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hammertime
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The problem with Christians in their mindless ignorance that allows them to be indoctrinated with garbage and toxic faith. No thinking, no reasoning, no brain. That is the real drivel. Repetitious self-hypnosis that infects their brains with programming that pushes out thinking, reasoning and knowledge.
This thread is about lunatics who hallucinate. That is what we should be taking a closer look at. Nut jobs who see things that aren't there, hear voices through the walls. One mental case says he actually met Jesus in person. Another had a conversation with god. There are mental aberrations, sick minds that distort reality in every possible way and that is foundation of such a sick faith.
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| May 28 @ 10:50 AM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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No, sail, apparently you misunderstand my words.
Nothing new there.
What I actually meant was that it doesn't make much differencce what you belief. Not to anyone but yourself.
The things you create as Truth for yourself are without any permancy in the realm of eternity. The page containing the record of your life will turn, and you will be no more. Your drivel will be no more.
That is what I meant.
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| May 28 @ 10:53 AM |
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hammertime
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You heard voices? Tell us about it.
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| May 28 @ 10:56 AM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Another truly inspiring, joy-filled post from one of our resident sad sacks.
Thanks for the effort hammertime. You are ever a source of encouragement as I see the effects of a life without Christ.
 Thank you.
You continue to drive me deeper into my faith.
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| May 28 @ 10:58 AM |
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sail_dancer
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SOC,
If you consider my posts drivel, you consider the bible drivel. All I did was quote verses from your word of god.
Obviously you are having problem with the fact that your Holy Scripture's record of the things your god did, does not equate to the dogma that you have been taught.
My posts were not drivel, they were right from your bible. It is your dogma which is drivel. That is what really bothers you the most.
Peace
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| May 28 @ 11:00 AM |
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hammertime
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Tells us about the voice you heard...This thread is about that. Stay on topic. You said you heard voices in your head. You believe that others have met Jesus in person. You believe someone else actually had a verbal conversation with god.
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| May 28 @ 11:01 AM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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| May 28 @ 11:01 AM |
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hammertime
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Wake up from your dream world. You're a lost mind drifting through life. Answer the questions. Tell us about the voices in your head all the rest of the hallucinations you believe in. Do you know what mental illness is? Do you know what the Jerusalem Syndrome is?
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| May 28 @ 11:03 AM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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You're on a roll h. 
Please...don't allow me to interupt you.
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| May 28 @ 11:09 AM |
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hammertime
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I was feeling desperate and very alone + filled with fear, as I lay in my bed in a bedroom on the ground floor of a drapeless 2-bedroom apartment. It was my first night alone in a body then unable to effectively deal with most interactions usually-necessary for a single adult in this society.
I knew the basics of prayer. I just hadn't been the author of one in 10-15 years.
I asked God to help me.
And I asked Him to protect me.
Those first 2 nights here, the prayer was really short.
Then on the 3rd night, I began the prayer the usual way, but then something changed a little.
I'm unable to accurately describe it, but something like the voice-of-conscience each of us has, sounded inside my head.
It was something else again. A little more intense.
This Voice repeated my requests back to me.
Then in a tone I could not ignore, I was assured of the granting of my requests
Hows that? I leave anything out?
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| May 28 @ 11:11 AM |
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hammertime
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Why didn't you use a tape or digital recorder? Is that because hallucinations can't be recorded?
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| May 28 @ 11:17 AM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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That was excellent!!
Thank you very much Hammertime.
It might have been seen as egoentric of me if I had posted that a second time. So thank you for posting that again. (No wonder all the women love you. In a twisted way, your kindness leaks out of you. )
[Edited on 5/28/2008 11:18 AM]
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