| May 28 @ 11:18 AM |
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hammertime
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The voice, So you want healing....what are you willing to sacrifice to Me?
A quick check of my personal inventory revealed no livestock. Not much of anything really.
But my thoughts went to those things I most enjoyed in life.
It was a no-brainer: SEX.
How's this? Better?
Ehh,, too bad you didn't own any farm animals. Huh?
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| May 28 @ 11:19 AM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Wow.
Why are you being so kind to me this morning?
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| May 28 @ 11:22 AM |
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hammertime
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Yes, I'm being very kind. I posted what you actually said. I didn't make up any of it. Its properly quoted and publicly accessible.
So who were you talking to?
[Edited on 5/28/2008 11:29 AM]
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| May 28 @ 11:28 AM |
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sail_dancer
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SOC,
I have one question.
If god created everything in six days, why has it taken him over twenty years to fully heal you. The last update you gave seemed to say that you have yet to acheive the ability to run.
I'm not asking this in a negative way, I'm just trying to understand how after twenty years you would still credit your god with your recovery.
Peace
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| May 28 @ 11:29 AM |
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hammertime
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SOC
So in a church setting or when Bev was around you were getting lots of amens over this. You were encouraged and egged on by a supporting group of people pushing you further into an unnatural psychotic thinking deepening your delusions.
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| May 28 @ 11:32 AM |
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16knots
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Sail:
That is what confuses me. The ancient Hebrews obviously recognized the things their god did and instructed his followers to do. They took the time and effort to record these atrocities in scriptures so that no one would forget them. Similar to how current day Jews keep reminding the world of Hitler's holocaust.
So when did someone change the scriptures to place the blame of evil deeds on a so called devil? Was it the ancient Hebrew leaders or the founders of Christianity?
Either way, someone set out to change the concept that god was good and evil. They created the devil so that they could look at their god as all loving and peaceful.
I think Christian scripture is nothing more than history writings with all its good points and bad points. During the compilations ideologies were changed to suit the present day needs.
There is far more evidence that Christ was a Buddhist than not. He came along and and simply did not fit in with his teachings where they too were distorted to fit in with the present day ideologies.
This God, that God, anyones God is simply the ordinary mans attempt to explain what he does not know beyond his ordinary life. A Good and Evil God simply did not fit into the pattern therefore something else had to change. Evil exists alright, the absence of good but they had to get an identity to it. Wouldnt do for a God to be evil so someone has to be blamed. Unfortunately, the scribes screwed up with more distortions of truth.
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| May 28 @ 11:32 AM |
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hammertime
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I think we need to hear from others who also have heard voices, saw visions, felt hands pushing on them. I think everyone should feel free to come forward and post their experiences right here in this thread.
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| May 28 @ 11:48 AM |
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16knots
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Who is to say Christians or any man for that matter doesnt experience phenomena of one sort or another.
I see the problem lays in the understanding of truth within these matters. One says this is how it is, another says it doent exist, another says glory be its my God, and so forth.
Most individuals are ignorant to the truths of the matter. The experience comes from what is known or what their perception can be under the little knowledges and experiences they have.
Christians believe Jesus walked on water. I as a Buddhist have never seen such but heard much about many Buddhist Masters walking on water.
More recently HH Dalai Lama and I am sure other Masters have written on how it is done, walking on water and a lot more. (Yoga Tantra paths to magical feats, HHDL, Dzong-ka-ba, Jeffrey Hopkins)
Bev spoke of her experiences of Astral Projection or out of body experiences, the Dzogchen Ponlop explains how in his book "Mind beyond Death."
Personally my 30+ as a Buddhist, I would not dare say anyone is delusional on these matters. They have experiences of one sort or another. Whether they understand the truth of them is a different matter.
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| May 28 @ 11:52 AM |
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hammertime
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Oh most of us have had strange experiences but we later learn why or know why because we were drunk or stoned. As for the rest, they need to tell us more to make it more apparent they have lost their minds...
As for walking on water, the sun of god walks on water and so does the moon.
I have posted a blog to gather all hallucinators...
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| May 28 @ 12:02 PM |
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hammertime
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I have seen many drunk people on park benches talking to someone who wasn't there. When you try to talk to them, they get confused because you interrupted their conversation. I think its pretty hilarious when someone makes a promise to a pink elephant, god or a leprechaun. I suppose the leprechaun does offer the chance of giving you a pot of gold.
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| May 28 @ 12:12 PM |
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16knots
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To denounce someones experience as being other than what it is can only be ignorance.
One must be in the experiencee position of witnessing such events.
A denouncer can only offer ignorance where as the experiencer can offer the experience.
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| May 28 @ 12:13 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Sail_Dancer, in these past 22 years, (since my salvation--which took place 2 years after my car accident); He has been leading me along an educational path.
Along the way He has been teaching me about His great love for me. Rather than just reading stories and other teachings in a Book, He has been demonstrating His concern for my life.
In those 22 years He has also shown His faithful protection given to those He loves.
If His healing were to have happened overnight, or in a shortened period of time, would the depth of His love have been so indelibly stamped onto my awareness?
No. Of course not.
This is part of His discipline. (Which is not to be confused with His eternal punishment.)
Hebrews 12:5--"And you have forgotten that word of encouragement that addresses you as sons: 'My son, do not make light of the Lord's discipline, and do not lose heart when He rebukes you, 6--because the Lord disciplines those He loves, and He punishes everyone He accepts as a son. (Proverbs 3:11-12) 7--Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father? 8--If you are not disciplined (and everyone undergoes discipline), then you are illigitimate children and not true sons. 9--Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we all respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of our spirits and live! 10--Our father disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, that we may share in His holiness. 11--No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it. 12--Therefore strengthen your feeble arms and weak knees. 13--'Make level paths for your feet', (Proverbs 4:26), so that the lame may not be disabled, but rather healed."
The life He has given me as His gentle + loving discipline has continued, has been incredibly pleasant. In the real world, my life is filled with joy. Not soley the result of a grateful heart, but also the product of my interaction with other people in general!
The joy surrounding me each day that I work with the children at school aside, He blesses me daily with the friendship of almost everyone I meet in public. Adults + children alike.
Would I have become so intimately familiar with such joy if His involvement in my life was limited to an instaneous miracle??
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| May 28 @ 12:19 PM |
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Mission_Impossible139
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I think we need to hear from others who also have heard voices, saw visions, felt hands pushing on them. I think everyone should feel free to come forward and post their experiences right here in this thread.
I didn't see the lord jesus, I didn't feel the lord jesus, after a huge hit of acid in '65 I WAS the lord jesus. There is a big difference. I hugged a bunch of people and the next day, I died of humiliation 
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| May 28 @ 12:22 PM |
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hammertime
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A denouncer can only offer ignorance where as the experiencer can offer the experience. Show me one drunk who found his pot of gold at the end of a rainbow given to him by a leprechaun he caught. The would be a real experience.
Experience within the mind is open to all people in their dreams and imagination. How that translates to the external world we live within requires veracity, validity and reality else there is no common medium of communication. If someone tells you they saw a pink elephant they might be telling the truth if the reality is a circus is somewhere in town and they have an elephant they pained pink.
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| May 28 @ 12:23 PM |
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hammertime
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I didn't see the lord jesus, I didn't feel the lord jesus, after a huge hit of acid in '65 I WAS the lord jesus. There is a big difference. I hugged a bunch of people and the next day, I died of humiliation But all those people probably loved you the next day. 
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| May 28 @ 12:24 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Oh yeah...right. I'm sure thousands of people are all poised over their keyboard right now, truly anxious to share their experience here. They probably can hardly wait to receive your belittling abuse hammertime.
Over the relatively brief span of time of your involvement here, I've learned to be frugal with the amount of importance I place on your words. Considering the source has become a tool of great importance to me here.
I used to be afraid of the dark too. (Until I learned the fear was foolish.)
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| May 28 @ 12:25 PM |
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hammertime
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Really SOC? You saw a pink elephant too? You ain't the only one who has such a mental disorder that allows such experiences to occur. Temporal lope epilepsy is common however. Others who don't have the defect but are delusional wish they had it. For them, they have to take drugs or suffer a trauma to have such experiences. The rest who enjoy a recreational form of entertainment can sit back and take a magic carpet ride.
[Edited on 5/28/2008 12:33 PM]
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| May 28 @ 12:35 PM |
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hammertime
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Steppenwolf
I like to dream yes, yes, right between my sound machine
On a cloud of sound I drift in the night
Any place it goes is right
Goes far, flies near, to the stars away from here
Well, you don't know what we can find
Why don't you come with me little girl
On a magic carpet ride
You don't know what we can see
Why don't you tell your dreams to me
Fantasy will set you free
Close your eyes girl
Look inside girl
Let the sound take you away
Last night I held Aladdin's lamp
And so I wished that I could stay
Before the thing could answer me
Well, someone came and took the lamp away
I looked around, a lousy candle's all I found
Well, you don't know what we can find
Why don't you come with me little girl
On a magic carpet ride
Well, you don't know what we can see
Why don't you tell your dreams to me
Fantasy will set you free
Close your eyes girl
Look inside girl
Let the sound take you away  
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| May 28 @ 12:36 PM |
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16knots
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A denouncer can only offer ignorance where as the experiencer can offer the experience.
A denouncer can only denounce what he does not witness. He calls it "unbelievable" and offers his explanations not knowing the experience.
Show me one drunk who found his pot of gold at the end of a rainbow given to him by a leprechaun he caught. The would be a real experience.
A drunk is a drunk, a spiritual/religious experience is something else. A drunk has consequences of his actions. We can all see that through our experiences of the actions.
Religious/spiritual experiences are consequences of our seeking spiritual/religious enlightenment or by forces that we do not understand as ordinary beings.
Experience within the mind is open to all people in their dreams and imagination. How that translates to the external world we live within requires veracity, validity and reality else there is no common medium of communication.
This isnt so because the mind has many facets that few understand. The eight consciousnesses to a mans mind is reached by any one who has the "mind" (excuse the pun) to inwardly explore and seek it. Awakening to the mind and its nature. Dreams and imaginations are what? Who understands these things when so much is written about them without exploring the full extent of the mind. Exploring the mind removes all doubts as to its feats, its imaginations and its dreams.
Who is the real dreamer.... the man who doesnt know his mind or the man that does?
If two men find the true nature of their mind then communication is a past concept. No veracity, validity and reality is necessary. One sees absolute reality and not the realioty before he know his mind.
If someone tells you they saw a pink elephant they might be telling the truth if the reality is a circus is somewhere in town and they have an elephant they pained pink.
This is only one explanation. There are countless explanations. But this doesnt explain the truth of one having real religious/spiritual experiences.
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| May 28 @ 12:44 PM |
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hammertime
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If two men find the true nature of their mind then communication is a past concept. No veracity, validity and reality is necessary. One sees absolute reality and not the realioty before he know his mind.
If two men find true nature then they are both experiencing the same thing. If so, they can verify and validate their experiences with their common reality. If they are hallucinating, they might be able to synchronize their pathological experiences by shaping. If a Christian hallucinates a conversation with Jesus, he passes the test. If he hallucinates Buddha, he'll probably get an exorcism.
Ask SOC what would he do if he heard Zeus or the Buddha talking to him instead of his idea of god. Then he would think he was possessed or something. To a religious fanatic, the problem is not having hallucinations but having the right ones.
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