| Nov 20, 2007 @ 11:24 PM |
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| Nov 20, 2007 @ 11:25 PM |
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Sweetheart83446
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Jerome, I just told you thats what the card I gave you meant.  It really means...ahhhh forget it.
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| Nov 20, 2007 @ 11:27 PM |
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hammertime
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Anyone seeing any demons? devils?
 
Sure getting hot in here......
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| Nov 20, 2007 @ 11:27 PM |
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Sweetheart83446
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Only when my eyes are closed and I ....  Nevermind again.
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| Nov 20, 2007 @ 11:28 PM |
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ISSUESWOPTIONS
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I was a member before you were blond.... ...in fact. I am the chapter president.... 
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| Nov 20, 2007 @ 11:29 PM |
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Sweetheart83446
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Don't make me sin in the sin thread Brown Bear. 
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| Nov 20, 2007 @ 11:48 PM |
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ISSUESWOPTIONS
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| Nov 21, 2007 @ 12:53 AM |
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Godless
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Wait a minute! Is that the late great Sadian I see? The one that swore of MD for ever and ever and ever and ever???
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| Nov 21, 2007 @ 12:57 AM |
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Godless
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Godless....repeat that to a 3 year old and see if he understands what you said. But say it fast before the bus hits him though!
That's ridiculous. Three year olds are, hopefully, under supervision of an adult and their hand is being held while you tell him the danger of stepping in front of the bus as it passes by. Do you think scaring a child with ghosts and goblins is going to stop him from running in front of the bus? I think not, that's the job of the parent or other guardian... hold his freaking hand lovingly, without filling his head full of bullshit.
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| Nov 21, 2007 @ 7:04 AM |
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hammertime
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4) Why repent for sins that produce such euphoria that any guilt becomes meaningless?
Just curious no one answered this one. Yeah, like if you eat a chocolate covered Sunday would nullify any guilt because it was too damned yummy or anything else producing the same results or much much more euphoric results.
What about sin one didn't commit? We keep missing that one. How does that work? Is that something in our DNA like herpes or HIV or a genetic defect? The majority of Christians across denominations believe we are born with sin meaning every innocent child is born into this world is not innocent at all. Isn't that one of the most mentally and emotionally twisted and despicable religious concepts ever? We've heard from so many people about their dysfunctional children as proof. The biting and scratching as if these were sins. Kids throwing rocks, but that one is permitted, its biblical. They never blame themselves for being inadequate parents in a dysfunctional family. So who and what is really tarnishing the child from day one?
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| Nov 21, 2007 @ 7:56 AM |
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yashaenka
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Exodus 20:5: "Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them (idols), nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me."
About the transferability of sin:
Most religious individuals and secularists believe that a person is responsible for their own sinful behavior. They might point out that in a just society if one person commits a crime, that person is punished. The criminal's relatives and neighbors are not blamed. Members who happen to be of the same nationality, race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. as the criminal are not blamed. However, both the Hebrew Scriptures (a.k.a. Old Testament) and Christian Scriptures (a.k.a. New Testament) contain a surprising number of passages in which the sins of one person -- and the resultant punishment -- are transferred to others, who are innocent of the sins. More details.
A second point of difficulty that some religious liberals and secularists have with the Bible and traditional Christianity is determining who or what was sinned against. Many tend to feel that the person who suffered from another's sin is the prime victim. Lesser victims may be that person's family, friends, and perhaps community. However, in various biblical passages, the sinner is described as sinning against the victim, against society in general, against the land, and/or against God. The Bible relates how the earth itself can become polluted as a result of sinful behavior.
Difficulties exist also with the beliefs and rituals of Christian denominations. Many faith groups believe that infants are born guilty of original sin. Some faith groups believe that this sin is wiped away at the time that an infant is baptized. The child, of course, has no control over whether they are baptized or not; she or he has no input into the ritual. Some religious liberals may ask how words by one person can eliminate the sins of another. They might ask how -- without any input from the child -- could the sins of one infant be forgiven, while the sins of a child belonging to a non-believing family are not.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/sin_over.htm
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| Nov 21, 2007 @ 10:13 AM |
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hammertime
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Many faith groups believe that infants are born guilty of original sin. Instant damage from a psychotic belief system that immediately destroys one's self worth. As soon as the child learns to speak, they are damaged by learning a lie taught to them by dysfunctional parents and teachers.
What makes one choose this kind of faith that reinforces a psychologically damaging view of themselves and of the world?
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| Nov 21, 2007 @ 10:59 AM |
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yashaenka
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"Sin is any want of conformity unto, or transgression of, the law of God." Those are the words of the Shorter Catechism, not of the Bible; but they are true to what the Bible teaches from Genesis to Revelation. The most elementary thing about sin is that it is that which is contrary to God's law. You cannot believe in the existence of sin unless you believe in the existence of the law of God. The idea of sin and the idea of law go together.  Free at last  
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| Nov 21, 2007 @ 11:02 AM |
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BandTMom
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Godless said:
I'm puzzled as to why one would take offense to the word 'dogma.' Ever looked it up in a dictionary???
I've been saying this for months. It's funny how people take offense to a word when they don't really know the definition.
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| Nov 21, 2007 @ 11:09 AM |
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hammertime
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Some have shown they don't even know the definition of the word all. What is other than all? To use the phrase all that there is qualifies this even further. What is other than all that there is?
The psychopaths twist language, use circular and illogical, leaps of faith, ad hoc conclusions and impossible paradoxes to support their belief in the god they've invented in their minds. Basically their proofs of god's existence is what one would do to disprove it.
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| Nov 21, 2007 @ 2:40 PM |
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CHARLIgurl1
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Christians believe that the 'original sin', is a sin that is from the sin of Adam and eve, hense the term 'original'
they believe that if they are baptised, they then have a clean slate so to speak, cleansing of everything, so when the child turns to adult and is judged to enter the kingdom of heaven, they will be judged on the sins that they have commited wilfully themselves.
What sins?.. sins that have been willfully done ignoring the commandments layed out by God.
As for being psychotic, I have many Christian friends who do a lot of work for charity, who are good and decent people, kind conciderate and extremely caring.
Theres many psychotic people in this world, nasty evil people who care nothing for others at all.
If religeon is to be blamed for all the evil acts they do, I'd like to visit a jail and ask the people doing time for terrible acts if religeon was the cause.
I think not.
yes there are some that carry thier beliefs too far, but these people are usualy in need of help which they obviously never recieved. Theres planty of nut cases in this world, and I dont believe for one minite that religeon was always the cause of thier acts.
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| Nov 21, 2007 @ 3:10 PM |
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hammertime
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If religeon is to be blamed for all the evil acts they do, I'd like to visit a jail and ask the people doing time for terrible acts if religeon was the cause.
I think not.
I think not that you know any history. Are you really serious? Have you ever heard of the Holocaust? Inquisition's? Witch burnings? Destruction of Native Americans and other indigenous cultures? Slavery and the KKK? General bigotry brought on by self righteousness. The violence done to children's minds, etc,etc,etc,.....There are libraries of books on faith based destruction that takes on all forms.
[Edited on 11/21/2007 3:16 PM]
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| Nov 21, 2007 @ 3:32 PM |
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Angel54214
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In case anyone is interested, here is a webpage on history of infant baptism...Possibly the aftermaths of Babylon?
Turn your volume speakers down for it has music.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Doctrines/infant_baptism_exposed.htm
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| Nov 21, 2007 @ 3:59 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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@ hammertime.
Always good for a laugh when the hate-filled ranting begins.
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| Nov 21, 2007 @ 4:01 PM |
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CHARLIgurl1
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I agree that these things happened, but most used religeon as a tool to control, they preyed on the innocent to obtain their goals and hid behind religeon as thier excuse.
Witch burnings, the Witch finder general was a man called Mathew Hopkins, he was hired to seek out and destroy witches, he was paid 2 shillings per person, which was one heck of a lot of money in those days.. So what do you think drove him to seek out these so called witches.. the love of his religeon.. or the bank balance?
he was also self appointed,, history shows that he put himself forward to do this act. I wonder what drove him to suggest that? Oh yes.. money.
The inquisitions were based on the same thing.
The Holocaust, driven by a mad man, whos own ego thought that he could rule the world, He thought the jews were responsible for Germanys economy, not that he disagreed with thier religeon. (Not soley religeon based)
Slavery, mans greed, to obtain slaves by force, often from villages, taken to lands thousands of miles away to be sold. (Not religeon based)
Native Indians I think you meant... Man wanting to claim land not belonging to them, and doing it in any way possible, and in the process wiping out thier homelands. (not religeon based)
KKK, not a religeon, a founded organisation made from racial idiots who insanely thought that the white man was superior to the black.
There is however the crusades, involving many countries that took part, but again, do you think thier battle was to convert to Christianity.. or do you think that it was to gain more lands and be more powerful and increase thier empires?
There has been many wars and upset in the world, but as I said, I think that each time religeon has been a reason to hide behind, and there were many other hidden adjendas involved.
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