| Nov 21, 2007 @ 4:12 PM |
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hammertime
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SOC
you epitomize the ignorant and gullible Christian who is in constant denial of any reality. Aside from suffering mental conditions that causes you to hear voices and receive loud thoughts, make bizarre statements, you wholly lack adequate knowledge on almost all subjects. Childishly dependent upon others. When you see facts posted, you can do nothing but post gibberish rants. It you had any sort of level of education you would know some history and that all the things I posted up above are historical facts. Someone with at least partial brain function might try to refute them. You can't.
Christianity is proven to be a very big influence and component for Lutheran antisemitism and the Holocaust. There are tons of data showing the negative impact Christianity on Native Americans. A million other things. You''re living in a world of pure delusion. You have made posts calling yourself evil and other posts of what you'd do if God gives you a command. What makes you think you are sane?
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| Nov 21, 2007 @ 4:53 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Get over yourself. 
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| Nov 21, 2007 @ 5:44 PM |
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sealacamp
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you epitomize the ignorant and gullible Christian who is in constant denial of any reality.
Actually there is some denial going on but you won't see the full picture until you look in the mirror. Same Stuff Different Day.
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| Nov 21, 2007 @ 7:14 PM |
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hammertime
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As those such as SOC and Seal troll are examples of self effacing self loathing types whose only goal is to perpetuate lies no matter how stupid they make themselves appear. Such blind faith is nothing but the overt ignorance and mental entrapment of religion. Truth and fact are acid baths against such ignorance. When they are confronted with such only results in the spewing of sick faith babble and asinine delusional drivel. These are the true sins of the gullible Christian who lacks reasoning, logic, and knowledge giving further proof the superstitious believes in the gifts of the holy spirit is pure rubbish.
FACT: The Holocaust did happen. Martin Luther hated Jews and wrote On Jews and their Lies. Hitler did admire Luther and used such religious bigotry of the people as a weapon against Jews.
FACT: Justin Martyr, early church father and apologist, upon failure to convert Jews wrote scathing and hateful religious garbage and officially accused Jews of deicide that held in place until the late 1900's.
FACT: Inquisitions. Weapon of the Roman Catholic Church to combat what it called heresy. Pretty much anything it disliked. The most painful devices of torture which brought forth the most blood curdling screams of its victims to elicit forced confessions out of innocent people and to force Christianity down all of Europe's throat.
FACT: Native spirituality was suppressed by the U.S. and Canadian governments. Spiritual leaders ran the risk of jail sentences of up to 30 years for simply practicing their rituals. This came to an end in the U.S. in 1978 when the Freedom of Religion Act was passed.
FACT: Europeans and their missionaries looked upon Native Spirituality as worthless superstition inspired by the Christian devil, Satan. Many of the survivors were forcibly converted to Christianity. The US and Canadian governments instituted policies to force Natives onto reservations and to encourage them to become assimilated into the majority culture. During the middle decades of the 20th century, whole generations of children were kidnapped, forcibly confined in residential schools, and abused physically, sexually and emotionally.
THE TRUTH
If you take a copy of the Christian Bible and put it out in the wind and the rain, soon the paper on which the words are printed will disintegrate and the words will be gone. Our bible IS the wind." Statement by an anonymous Native woman.
FACT: Jesus never speaks out against slavery and the bible supports it.
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, just as you would obey Christ.", Ephesians 6:5
FACT: The Bible Belt has suffers from highest rates of divorce, murder, STD's, HIV's, teen pregnancy, single parent homes, infant mortality, and obesity in the nation.
FACT: Christian religiosity is common among mothers who kill their children.
FACT: Mother Theresa glorified Jesus in the sufferings of the dying in her missions. Most monies donated went to promoting the church rather than being used to ease suffering. They dying were denied visitors from family and friends and given the cheapest bedding to sleep on.
FACT: Christian missionaries use natural disasters to promote its religious dogma in exchange for food among those who lost families and everything around them.
FACT: There are too many such facts to list........
[Edited on 11/21/2007 7:20 PM]
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| Nov 21, 2007 @ 7:46 PM |
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CHARLIgurl1
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FACT: The Holocaust did happen. Martin Luther hated Jews and wrote On Jews and their Lies. Hitler did admire Luther and used such religious bigotry of the people as a weapon against Jews.
Did you know that Hitler compared himself to Jesus? he was so egotistical.
The presentation of a strong and infallible character can convince people that a person is greater then they really are. Adolf Hitler believed, at least himself as the real saviour of the world, believing himself to be the greatest human of all time. Any move made by Hitler, he believed no matter what the issue, was the right one. His opinion of himself is obvious in statements like the following: "I do not play war. I do not allow the 'generals' to give me orders. The war is conducted by me. There will be only one time that will be truly auspicious, and I will wait for it with inflexible determination. And I will not pass by it." (Rausching, 1940. 16) Hitler often compared himself to Jesus, implying that Hitler himself was the new saviour of humans. He often said he would never marry because Germany was his only bride, the same way that Jesus never married because the Universe was his only bride. This was one way that Hitler made himself appear bigger than life. Another way he made himself appear larger than life was through the effective use of propaganda.
There is no doubt Hitler was an insane genius, who amassed a large following with his speaking ability, strong character appearance, and most of all his lies through propaganda. His crazy beliefs were mainly a result of an unstable youth that set him on his way to becoming a very powerful leader.
His hatred of the Jews originated from his father. He was just young when his father died, but in that time they had an incredibly rocky relationship. His fathers opinions , did affect him deeply, even tho he was already a very unstable and irrational person. Any influences after that simply fuelled it.
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| Nov 21, 2007 @ 8:01 PM |
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hammertime
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Hitler personal beliefs are unimportant. His support came from a society already steeped in religious delusion and antisemitism from Christianity's official position against the Jews. All Hitler did was take advantage. He didn't create the setting. The churches did.
Still to this day Christians are saying Jews must accept Christ in the second coming. This is the current antisemitism and its among the Zionist Christians as well as the other's.
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| Nov 21, 2007 @ 8:27 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Your rants are growing stronger almost daily.
Do you have any idea of what sort of image you're creating for yourself??
You truly are an entertaining piece of work. Thanks. Only being a volunteer, I don't have enough money to go to clubs. But almost nightly I get a pretty good laugh out of you.
If it wern't for you hammer, who knows,  , maybe I'd have to cut back on teaching children to read, and get me a real job. 
My hero.
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| Nov 21, 2007 @ 8:37 PM |
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hammertime
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SOC,
This statement is laughable.And just as Spirit confessed: though I am evil He has chosen to bless me also This one is pathetic. I would be willing to illustrate my overwhelming love for God, by stoning the woman in-question. But they seem logical coming from the same person.
As for getting a real job, thats not a bad idea.
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| Nov 21, 2007 @ 9:12 PM |
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Angel54214
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FACT: Jesus never speaks out against slavery and the bible supports it.
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, just as you would obey Christ.", Ephesians 6:5
FALSE!
1. Jesus was not on earth when Paul was in Ephesus
2. The Greek translation in English is Servant, not Slave; only a few bible newer translations use the word Slave.
3. Ephesia was part of the Roman Republic and under Roman rule. Ephesus became larger then Rome at it's heighth in the first two AD centuries.
4. Ephesia was very rich in economy and servants were owned by the "Gentile" Romans.
5. The beginning of the new birth of Chrisitianity amongst the "Gentiles" which many came to the Ephesian church and worshiped God while leaving their pagan man-made idol gods behind.
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| Nov 21, 2007 @ 9:36 PM |
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sail_dancer
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4. Ephesia was very rich in economy and servants were owned by the "Gentile" Romans.
Is their a difference between being a slave or a servant owned by another?
More christian word play.
Peace
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| Nov 21, 2007 @ 9:52 PM |
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Angel54214
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FACT: The Bible Belt has suffers from highest rates of divorce, murder, STD's, HIV's, teen pregnancy, single parent homes, infant mortality, and obesity in the nation.
Where are your universal state facts including timeframes? Where are your statistics compared to ALL other states and metropolitean areas, like Chicago, New York Bronks, Los Angeles, etc.? Words are just words, where are the FACTS?
FACT: Justin Martyr, early church father and apologist, upon failure to convert Jews wrote scathing and hateful religious garbage and officially accused Jews of deicide that held in place until the late 1900's. Justin Martyr (100-165)
1. Justin Martyr was NOT an early church "Father." Yes, he did become a Saint, but was not a Father of the church. Justin was a Philosopher, Apologist, Teacher and a Saint.
2. Justin was a Samaritian and and Greek "Gentile." He knew very little of Judaism. He had to learn about Judaism for many Jews were converting during his adult life. Justin did not know the Old Testament, therefore he could not fail to convert Jews; he was not a church Father.
3. Justin wrote Apologies to the Emporer of Rome. These are his major writings and notice who they are written to:
-The First Apology addressed to Antoninus Pius, his sons, and the Roman Senate
-Second Apology addressed to the Roman Senate
-The Discourse to the Greeks, a discussion with Greek philosophers on the character of their gods
-A Hortatory Address to the Greeks
4. Justin was a "debate" philosopher. He was beheaded because he won a debate over Crescens. Crescens out of his pride and ego, cried with his tail between his legs to Rome. The record of The Acts of Justin the Martyr is of his trial.
The rest of your post hammer above, is your typicial slashings with your sword of hate towards Christianity.
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| Nov 21, 2007 @ 9:54 PM |
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Angel54214
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More christian word play.
Until you stop insulting, I will not answer any of your questions Sail....your disrespectful and discriminating.
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| Nov 21, 2007 @ 10:02 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Angel,
The rest of your post hammer above, is your typicial slashings with your sword of hate towards Christianity.
Many christians say that they (as God does) hate the sin but love the sinner.
Why is it that christians can't apply this to other things?
What if someone hates what christianity does to its followers, but loves its followers anyway?
Take time to think on that.
Peace
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| Nov 21, 2007 @ 10:21 PM |
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hammertime
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But you Jews are a ruthless, stupid, blind, and lame people, children in whom there is no faith.
-- Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho
Wiki
Early Christianity
A number of early and influential Church works — such as the dialogues of Justin Martyr, the homilies of John Chrysostom, and the testimonies of church father Cyprian — are strongly anti-Jewish.
During a discussion on the celebration of Easter during the First Council of Nicaea in AD 325, Roman emperor Constantine said,
...it appeared an unworthy thing that in the celebration of this most holy feast we should follow the practice of the Jews, who have impiously defiled their hands with enormous sin, and are, therefore, deservedly afflicted with blindness of soul. (...) Let us then have nothing in common with the detestable Jewish crowd; for we have received from our Saviour a different way.[42]
Prejudice against Jews in the Roman Empire was formalized in 438, when the Code of Theodosius II established Roman Catholic Christianity as the only legal religion in the Roman Empire. The Justinian Code a century later stripped Jews of many of their rights, and Church councils throughout the sixth and seventh century, including the Council of Orleans, further enforced anti-Jewish provisions. These restrictions began as early as 305, when, in Elvira, (now Granada), a Spanish town in Andalusia, the first known laws of any church council against Jews appeared. Christian women were forbidden to marry Jews unless the Jew first converted to Catholicism. Jews were forbidden to extend hospitality to Catholics. Jews could not keep Catholic Christian concubines and were forbidden to bless the fields of Catholics. In 589, in Catholic Spain, the Third Council of Toledo ordered that children born of marriage between Jews and Catholic be baptized by force. By the Twelfth Council of Toledo (681) a policy of forced conversion of all Jews was initiated (Liber Judicum, II.2 as given in Roth).[43] Thousands fled, and thousands of others converted to Roman Catholicism.
The Second Vatican Council in 1963 officially exonerated the Jews as the killers of Jesus. That just took too long after the Holocaust. Holding this position for centuries was just too hard to let go of.
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| Nov 21, 2007 @ 11:15 PM |
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BandTMom
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FACT: The Bible Belt has suffers from highest rates of divorce, murder, STD's, HIV's, teen pregnancy, single parent homes, infant mortality, and obesity in the nation
Come to Oklahoma. You'll see this is true. 
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| Nov 22, 2007 @ 12:17 AM |
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sail_dancer
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Angel,
It was word play and you know it.
Where was I disrespectful?
I guess you have your own definition of the disrespect..... more like don't question what I say.
Peace
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| Nov 22, 2007 @ 1:30 AM |
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Angel54214
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Hammer...Justin Martyr's Dialog with Trypho and his attended friends was a debate. Trypho in the early states, put Justin to shame in ridicule. We all know what debates are and they become accusations towards one another, just like people do in these forums. It goes back and forth without end. But in the end of the Dialog debate, they parted as dear friends.
Early Christianity
A number of early and influential Church works — such as the dialogues of Justin Martyr, the homilies of John Chrysostom, and the testimonies of church father Cyprian — are strongly anti-Jewish. They were equally as strong anti-Christian...the other side of the coin.
The Second Vatican Council in 1963 officially exonerated the Jews as the killers of Jesus. This continued into the third, fourth and fifth Vatican Council. In the end, It was removed due an unanimous vote of 1,763 to 250. During the 3rd Council meeting, the Vatican didn't take in consideration their dogma would fall into the hands of journalists publicity tabloids. Their recollection was it to be kept "secret" in the Vatican only. Duh to them!
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| Nov 22, 2007 @ 9:50 AM |
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hammertime
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They were equally as strong anti-Christian...the other side of the coin. Justin as others laid the foundation of antisemitism and all other oppressions. Perhaps the anti-Christian arguments weren't strong enough. What followed was disaster for Jews and everyone else for almost 2000 years.
Below is only a partial list of offenses against humanity.
Pogroms lasting centuries.
Forced Conversions under Pope Innocent III
The Inquisitions
The Crusades
Black Death accusations. Jews were more hygienic so they didn't die as much as the others.
Saint Augustine (300 - 430 c.e.) In his Commentary on Psalm 58-59, Augustine wrote:
The Jews have been scattered throughout all nations as witnesses to their own sin and to our truth. They themselves hold the writings that have prophesied Christ. If a pagan doubts Christ, we can prove his Messiahship because he was predicted in the writings of the Jews themselves a long time ago. And so by means of one enemy [the Jews] we confound another enemy [the pagans]. 'Scatter them abroad, take away their strength. And bring them down O Lord'
Augustine writes in his "Reply to Faustus, the Manichaean"
Not by bodily death shall the ungodly race of carnal Jews perish. . . . To the end of the seven days of time, the continued preservation of the Jews will be a proof to believing Christians of the subjection merited by those who, in the pride of their kingdom, put the Lord to death. . . . 'And the Lord God set a mark upon Cain, lest any one finding him should slay him.' . . . Only when a Jew comes over to Christ, he is no longer Cain.
In 415 c.e. Augustine wrote
The true image of the Hebrew is Judas Iscariot, who sells the Lord for silver. The Jew can never understand the Scriptures and forever will bear the guilt for the death of Jesus.
Catholic doctrine
The ceremonies of the Jews are both baneful and deadly to Christians and whoever keeps them is doomed to the abyss of the devil.
---Epistle 82
John Calvin writes
Their [the Jews] rotten and unbending stiffneckedness deserves that they be oppressed unendingly and without measure or end and that they die in their misery without the pity of anyone.
The Blood Libels
In 1150 the Blood Libel was invented by monk Thomas of Monmouth. Esentallty this is where Jews were falsely accused of kidnapping boys, killing them in a reenacment of the Crucifixion. Stories grew over time.
In 1168, a boy found dead was said to have been tortured by Jews.
In 1247, Valreas accros the French/German border Jews were tortured into confessing that a missing child was crucified to use the blood in ritual canibalism.
and many more false accounts.....
In 1543 Martin Luther wrote "On Jews and their Lies"
I had made up my mind to write no more either about the Jews or against them. But since I learned that these miserable and accursed people do not cease to lure to themselves even us, that is, the Christians, I have published this little book, so that I might be found among those who opposed such poisonous activities of the Jews who warned the Christians to be on their guard against them There is no other explanation for this than the one cited earlier from Moses — namely, that God has struck the Jews with 'madness and blindness and confusion of mind.' So we are even at fault in not avenging all this innocent blood of our Lord and of the Christians which they shed for three hundred years after the destruction of Jerusalem, and the blood of the children they have shed since then (which still shines forth from their eyes and their skin). We are at fault in not slaying them. Rather we allow them to live freely in our midst despite all their murdering, cursing, blaspheming, lying, and defaming; we protect and shield their synagogues, houses, life, and property. In this way we make them lazy and secure and encourage them to fleece us boldly of our money and goods, as well as to mock and deride us, with a view to finally overcoming us, killing us all for such a great sin, and robbing us of all our property (as they daily pray and hope). Now tell me whether they do not have every reason to be the enemies of us accursed Goyim, to curse us and to strive for our final, complete, and eternal ruin!
The slaughter of 6,000,000 in the Holocaust and decades afterwards the Jews were officially exonerated from killing Christ by The Church.
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| Nov 22, 2007 @ 9:57 AM |
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hammertime
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I wish we can get back to the OP and get all those questions about sinning answered especially these:
4) Why repent for sins that produce such euphoria that any guilt becomes meaningless?
12) Can you commit sin while dreaming? That is, if you are sleeping and in REM dream state can you act out your sinful activity in the dream and earn points for when you wake up?
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| Nov 22, 2007 @ 1:05 PM |
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Godless
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I agree that these things happened, but most used religeon as a tool to control, they preyed on the innocent to obtain their goals and hid behind religeon as thier excuse.
Zackly! and it still goes on today.
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