| Nov 22, 2007 @ 1:24 PM |
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Godless
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You guys are getting too crazy in this thread... see, this is why we DO need a separate community for atheists, agnostics, and general non-believers. Not to segregate, not that at all, but to be able to post something SILLY like this (as was the intent of the OP, I think) and have it remain silly.
Religionists KNOW that Hammer is NOT a religionist, yet continue to enter into these posts to try ond do whatever it is they are trying to do. Here's what I find odd...
* That one would ever have to defend one's own faith, which is completely different from denying a set of facts.
* That one would deny a set of facts in order to defend one's own faith.
* That 'Christians' see fit to enter into public debate with non-believers and be rude, disrespectful, and pompus. Is it not the teaching of Christianity (according to some) to 'turn the other cheek'?
* That so many of the religious nuts on here so arrogant about their beliefs by calling them facts or truths when none of it has ever been proven. (yeah, I can be disrespectful like that because I don't have some dead guy telling me not to ridicule ridiculous things).
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| Nov 22, 2007 @ 1:26 PM |
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12knots
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Thought hammer was a religionist. 
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| Nov 22, 2007 @ 4:46 PM |
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liquidmidnight1
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The closest I can come to the concept of Origina Sin is that I try to be original in my application of what so many consider Sin.
The concept that we are f***ed up when we enter the world is totally sick and tweaked.
And the Messiah, I would have held out for a juicier one. The "Christ" was something like 120 of reported messiahs. My favorite was one of the later ones who could "uproot trees with his bare hands" and could "breath fire"... just seems to fit my kick ass personality better.
Original Sin: what a very mentally unhealthy concept. If it comes with the turf, so to speak, then the entire cosmos must be a conglomeration of sick, cretin creation.
This god thing has way too much smiting and slewing for my taste.
The only prayer of intercession that comes to mind is:
"Dear Lord, please deliver me from your followers"
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| Nov 22, 2007 @ 7:01 PM |
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CHARLIgurl1
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I really dont know what the deal is with the Christian bashing.
Which faith is it that is supposedly responsible for planes flying in to the twin towers?..
which faith is it that kills thier own female family members for going outside of thier faith by marrying?..
which faith is it that in extreme denys education to women and girls?..
which faiths cuts off pieces of a boys anatomy just because its in thier faiths?..
which faiths are you stuck to for life, for leaving it would be a sin and against religeous laws and strictly forbidden?
Yes Christianity has had its flaws, but on the whole in todays world its one of the most peaceful.
Polititians are the worst offenders in my mind, because they declare war on other countries without agreement from their own people. Dont ever get politics and religeon confused,.. Even this ridiculous so called Holy war is all about oil!
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| Nov 22, 2007 @ 7:59 PM |
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sail_dancer
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CHARLI,
I really dont know what the deal is with the Christian bashing.
If christians are being "bashed" in this thread, what are you doing to muslims?Which faith is it that is supposedly responsible for planes flying in to the twin towers?..
which faith is it that kills thier own female family members for going outside of thier faith by marrying?..
which faith is it that in extreme denys education to women and girls?..
which faiths cuts off pieces of a boys anatomy just because its in thier faiths?..
which faiths are you stuck to for life, for leaving it would be a sin and against religeous laws and strictly forbidden?
By the way, christians are guilty of the last two points also, and they interfere with the education of their youth (male & female) when it comes to science and history.
The problem is not religious people, it is what their religion does to them. It splits people into opposing groups that are always ready to point fingers (and sometimes guns) at each other in the name of their god.
You seem to be a good person, but look at your reaction to the posts here. You are saying that christians are not perfect........just look at the muslims.
I think it is time for all religions to look at themselves truthfully and take steps to lower the walls they have built between each other. No one expected the Berlin Wall to crumble and fall but it did for the betterment of mankind. Now we must work at lowering the religious walls that pit man vs man.
Peace
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| Nov 22, 2007 @ 8:05 PM |
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BandTMom
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I think it is time for all religions to look at themselves truthfully and take steps to lower the walls they have built between each other. No one expected the Berlin Wall to crumble and fall but it did for the betterment of mankind. Now we must work at lowering the religious walls that pit man vs man.
It's easier to work together than to do the job alone.
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| Nov 22, 2007 @ 8:28 PM |
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CHARLIgurl1
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Sail.. did I say Muslims?.. dear oh dear.. seems you placed the blame all by yourself.
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| Nov 22, 2007 @ 8:52 PM |
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sail_dancer
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CHARLI,
It is what you didn't say that was the problem. You still would rather point out religions or groups that are responsible for more atrocities than your religion, than recognize the atrocities caused by your religious dogma.
When was the last time you actually sat down and read the bible? I don't mean scanning through it but reading it as you would a regular book.
As you do this, keep track of all the things that would agree with your moral views and those that do not agree with your moral views. You will be surprised which list is longer.
Then ask yourself why your religion bases its dogma on this book. What is it teaching its followers? Judaism, Christianity and Islam all base their beliefs on the god of the OT, they just have different names for their god. That god is described as a violent, evil and egotistical god that condones murder, rape and genocide.
So trying to be more like that god is more dangerous than anything else when it comes to world peace.
Peace
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| Nov 22, 2007 @ 9:17 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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| Nov 22, 2007 @ 9:23 PM |
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CHARLIgurl1
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You assume too much Sail. I have kept all of my posts very neutral, go back and read some, I am not deeply religeous.
Yes I was baptised a Christian, but I have in my life taken the time to learn about more things thats just whats written in the bible.
The bible to me is full of stories, stories to have meanings to that we can learn by, I dont beleive that all whats in the bible happend. Like Noahs ark for instance, considering the thousands of creatures great and small on this planet, such a feat is impossible. I think it was a story written to keep man in fear of God, as many other religeons do.
I was merely pointing out, that with all the posts that are anti Christian, we must look at what is happening in this world. Now and today. It isnt the Christians who are causing such mayhem.
If I have appeared to defend the Christians through these posts, which yes most probably I have, its because I dont feel that all the upset in the world is down to the Christians.
If fault is to be found anywhere its with the polititians and leaders of countries who create wars in the name of religeon without any foundation whatsoever other than greed and power.
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| Nov 22, 2007 @ 9:29 PM |
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CHARLIgurl1
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Also I'd like to add, that a Christian can leave Christianity any time he/she wishes.
Christians do not cut off pieces of a boys anatomy.
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| Nov 22, 2007 @ 9:43 PM |
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Angel54214
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"Charli" Your a smart lady!  
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| Nov 22, 2007 @ 9:45 PM |
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12knots
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Nor, drink of the blood and eat of the body.
*cough
Honestly, I cant see what all the fuss is about on sin and sinning. Does any sin harm any other being?
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| Nov 22, 2007 @ 9:46 PM |
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CHARLIgurl1
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Shucks,, thanks lol 
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| Nov 22, 2007 @ 9:48 PM |
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12knots
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You're welcome 
Oh sorry, thought it was for me. *sigh 
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| Nov 22, 2007 @ 9:49 PM |
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CHARLIgurl1
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Naww.. knotts.. its wine..lol..good stuff too! hic! lol
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| Nov 22, 2007 @ 9:52 PM |
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Angel54214
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Nor, drink of the blood and eat of the body.
Excuse you Knotty! Hope your cough isn't serious...here's some mystical Robitusin.
Drink of the fruit of the vine and eat of the manna (divine food), from heaven. 
Honestly, I cant see what all the fuss is about on sin and sinning. Does any sin harm any other being?
Maybe we could look at opposites, like:
Love vs. Hate
Your turn...
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| Nov 22, 2007 @ 10:01 PM |
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sail_dancer
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CHARLI,
Christians do not cut off pieces of a boys anatomy.
This is from a christian site:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/cpt/2000/003/5.42.html
A generation ago, most people of Judeo-Christian heritage didn’t think twice about having their sons circumcised at birth. But that was then. Today, many parents agonize over whether to allow the procedure. The circumcision rate in the United States has dropped to less than 60 percent and, if present trends continue, soon will be closer to 50 percent.
In truth, there is no right or wrong decision about circumcision. Parents may have strong feelings one way or the other that will guide their choice. But for those who don’t, it’s essential to get accurate information from trustworthy sources, such as your doctor, your pastor and other parents (see sidebar). Then, use that information to make the decision you feel is right for your child.
You also posted:Also I'd like to add, that a Christian can leave Christianity any time he/she wishes. Not without condemning yourself to eternal damnation.
Peace
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| Nov 22, 2007 @ 10:01 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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CHARLIgurl1..."Christians do not cut off pieces of a boys anatomy."!!
Are you are speaking of "circumcision" ?
That should be outlawed except for medical reasons!
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| Nov 22, 2007 @ 10:04 PM |
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12knots
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No serious cough,  ... but thanks.
Hate gives us a great opportunity to see love and love gives us a great opportunity to open our wisdom and compassion.
As a Buddhist, there is no sin. But I do understand sin and sinners. I dont see anything wrong in recognising a sinner for the sin they have done but... I do feel that ousting them for what they have done is not right. "Cast the first stone".
A sinner should be helped in every way possible if mutual or the cause of sin understood where a cure can be gotten. (This one can open a can of worms but I am open for discussion, e.g. prison population full of sinners yet although under mans punishment will never pass through "Gods" punishment or the universal law of karma, what ever your belief may choose).
[Edited on 11/22/2007 10:06 PM]
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