| Nov 28, 2007 @ 6:58 PM |
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kjac
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Having never been to the UK, I know almost nothing about their current culture. But the recent heresy lawsuit has made me wonder about some things.
Is there precedent for such a thing?
Do the people support this?
Is the UK a shadow Theocracy?
I am not trying to offend anyone. I genuinely don't know the answers to these questions. I'd like to hear from anyone who might know the answers, preferrably someone from the UK.
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| Nov 29, 2007 @ 6:11 AM |
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Blondino
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do you have a link KJ ... can't find anything on this 
England or Uk ???? well UK is the least religious country of anywhere I have been to ....
Religion never seems to part of any political discussions here ...
Posting some things you may find interesting ..
When you travel to Europe, don't be surprised to find that many Europeans don't believe in God. I have even witnessed some alcohol-infused conversations between Americans and Europeans that almost ended in fistfights over His/Her existence. When you travel to the following countries, you might want to pick a less controversial topic of conversation ... umm, maybe George W?
Here are the Top 10 least religious countries in the world:
1. Sweden (up to 85% non-believer, atheist, agnostic)
2. Vietnam
3. Denmark
4. Norway
5. Japan
6. Czech Republic
7. Finland
8. France
9. South Korea
10. Estonia (up to 49% non-believer, atheist, agnostic)
Blair feared faith 'nutter' label
Tony Blair
Mr Blair said politicians who talk about religion "get into trouble"
Tony Blair avoided talking about his religious views while in office for fear of being labelled "a nutter", the former prime minister has revealed.
In an interview for BBC One's The Blair Years, he said that his faith had been "hugely important" to his premiership.
His ex-spokesman Alastair Campbell once told reporters: "We don't do God."
Mr Campbell has now acknowledged to the programme that his former boss "does do God in quite a big way", but that both men feared the public would be w
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7111620.stm
[Edited on 11/29/2007 6:38 AM]
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| Nov 29, 2007 @ 8:21 AM |
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kjac
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I posted the link on the thread about the lawsuit. I'll bump it up for you blondino.
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| Nov 29, 2007 @ 9:25 AM |
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Blondino
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Thanks KJ .. I see that is was in the Ireland .com site 
Could not find anything in British press as no one here really listens to such stuff ...
We have very few evangelists here found it under Jerry Springer - The Opera
Jerry Springer: The Opera is a British musical written by Stewart Lee and Richard Thomas, based on the television show The Jerry Springer Show. The show is notable for its profanity, its unusual depiction of Judeo-Christian themes, and surreal images such as a troupe of tap-dancing Ku Klux Klan members. The musical is completely sung throughout, with the exceptions of Jerry, who speaks, and a brief speech by Steve.
A Christian activist has launched a High Court battle to bring a private prosecution for blasphemy over Jerry Springer - The Opera.
Stephen Green wants to overturn a court ruling to sue BBC director general Mark Thompson, who allowed the show to be screened on BBC Two in 2005.
He also wants to prosecute the show's producer, who staged it in London's West End and then on a nationwide tour.
Mr Green argues the musical contains images that "vilify God and the Bible".
The director of Christian Voice launched the action in January but the case was refused by the City of Westminster magistrates court.
The West End production of the musical, starring David Soul, was seen by 425,000 people and was watched by an audience of 2.4m when it was broadcast on BBC Two.
Most enjoyed it so if a few complain so be it ...
The comprehensive professional research in 2006 by Tearfund found that two thirds (66% - 32.2 million people) in the UK have no connection with any religion or church10. In 2003 August, 18% of the British public said they were a practicing member of an organized religion, 25% they were members of a world religion9. According to these results, one fifth of self-declared members would also not describe themselves as practicing that religion. Presumably the others remain members for traditional reasons or due to social pressure.
* 66% of the UK population have no connection with any religion or church10.
* 18% of the British public say they are a practicing member of an organized religion
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| Nov 29, 2007 @ 9:36 AM |
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yashaenka
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Blondino, you are very correct in that the numbers support the fact that Western Europe has become very secular, then too we here are following Europe in that regard also. The UK is a poor example for religion since the King formed the Church of England because he wanted a divorce so he could marry another but Rome said no, so he formed his own church, very tongue in cheek... 
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| Nov 29, 2007 @ 9:52 AM |
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Blondino
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Mary Queen of Scots ..  was beheaded by those nasty English Protestants ... she was RC... 1587
Mary was a very high-spirited, impulsive, highly-sexed woman and a devout Catholic in the bargain. There were bound to be problems when she returned to Scotland during a period of austerity in religion.
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| Nov 29, 2007 @ 6:23 PM |
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kjac
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I am so hoping this comes to America. 
(The opera that is, not the lawsuits for religion.)
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| Nov 29, 2007 @ 6:33 PM |
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hammertime
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I can't believe someone made an opera based on the Jerry Springer show. Thats got to be so hilarious. I wonder if the UK has a Walmarts. 
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| Nov 29, 2007 @ 6:35 PM |
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12knots
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Oh, you mean Queen Mary I that murdered and destroyed church men and women of England.....
Oh... "It seems that she had a "hysterical pregnancy" -- she had convinced herself so that her body responded as if she were pregnant."
We the English dont need "nutters". Good ole Henry the Eigth! He had the best solution for divorced wives, where they cant collect alimony.
...English dry sense of humour! 
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| Nov 29, 2007 @ 7:02 PM |
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Say_Yes
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I can't believe someone made an opera based on the Jerry Springer show. Thats got to be so hilarious.
Have you seen The Producers? It's a Mel Brookes musical, based on Nazi Germany. Very tongue in cheek and very funny.
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| Nov 29, 2007 @ 7:38 PM |
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hammertime
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I saw The Producers a long time ago. I love anything Mel Brooks. Blazing Saddles was great especially when they were all eating beans around the campfire....
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| Nov 30, 2007 @ 6:17 AM |
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Blondino
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I wonder if the UK has a Walmarts.
well we have a branch of the Walmart group called Asda .....
I have only been in two Walmarts .. one in Fortworth and one in Vegas ( to pick up meds ) and have to say Asda quality is way above Walmart ...
We the English dont need "nutters". Good ole Henry the Eigth! He had the best solution for divorced wives, where they cant collect alimony.
...English dry sense of humour!
yeppers .. off with their heads ...
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| Nov 30, 2007 @ 6:36 AM |
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12knots
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The quality of Walmart is awful. "Seconds".
Even Macys and Sears are way below the quality of John Lewis. Also miss the "P's & Q's"
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| Nov 30, 2007 @ 8:25 AM |
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bevrice
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Oh well, knots, you know, you get what you pay for. You are in Texas, try Neiman Marcus if you want quality, or if that is out of the brackett you want to pay, try Dillard's, their stuff is pretty good.
My mother owned an exclusive clothing store years ago, and she sold women's Italian, lambs wool, hand knitted suits, Mr. Dino pant suits, both were very expensive and very high quality, there is nothing on the market to compare to either one today. Women still wear those suits, the ones they bought, forty years ago, they are ageless in style and look as good as the day they were bought.
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| Nov 30, 2007 @ 9:34 AM |
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12knots
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I have been to the "POSH" stores and they are just as bad.
Half are fakes and the other half are the left overs from Europe.
Seriously, that is what I think. I use to buy all the expensive clothes around Europe as a jet setting executive. Then I down grade and find Texas.... *sigh
Half from across the borders with fake designer labels. I have brought the same brands here as I did in Europe and their is a huge difference in standards and quality. But like you say you get what you pay for....
Okay, this isn't a knocking session about American quality. We are talking clothes, perfumes etc. In other areas of goods America exceeds Europe... *cough (well I am British you know)
What does this have to do with "Religion and Spirituality"...... *let me think.....  Oh yes....
letting go of material wealth.
cant take it through an eye of a needle. 
Oh yes... to the OP keep religion out of politics and its no other country's business.
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| Nov 30, 2007 @ 10:00 AM |
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bevrice
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Well, I am a perfume o holic, and I do disagree about perfumes being better. What is your fav?
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| Nov 30, 2007 @ 10:52 AM |
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kattsmeow
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Mary Queen of Scots .. was beheaded by those nasty English Protestants ... she was RC... 1587
Oh, you mean Queen Mary I that murdered and destroyed church men and women of England.....
Oh... "It seems that she had a "hysterical pregnancy" -- she had convinced herself so that her body responded as if she were pregnant."
Two different Mary's.
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| Nov 30, 2007 @ 11:06 AM |
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12knots
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No, we are talking of Mary I. Daugter of Henry VIII, half sister to Elizabeth I who beheaded her, eventually.
Bev, do you know how to tewll the difference between fake perfumes?
The real "good" stuff have their logos moulded into the glass at the bottom. Sometimes they have ink imprints on the glass too but the fakes have a sticker. Go check your perfumes ladies
And... and..... and..... sometimes when you buy from dodgy venders you may find yourself buying refilled bottles from the garbage dump
BUT...but.... but.... if you were really spiritual, you wouldn't fall for materialism. maybe try making your own from flowers in the garden. But, dont hurt the flowers!
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| Nov 30, 2007 @ 11:49 AM |
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bevrice
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I hate flowery perfumes, they give me awful headaches. I have worn and je riviens, by worth, used to like it, don't anymore. Chanel number five is okay. I don't like anai anai, I wear Shalimar occasionally, galore is no longer the same as it once was. Elizabeth Arden, Elizabeth Taylor really do an awesome job with perfumes, as does Victoria Secret, even Fredericks has one called f, that is awesome. Ralph Lauren, Perry Ellis, and others can be included on that list. My favorite is Oscar de la Renta, while even though from the dominican republic, his business is here.
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| Nov 30, 2007 @ 4:45 PM |
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Humpe
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When you travel to the following countries, you might want to pick a less controversial topic of conversation ...
Sounds kind of boring... Doubt any of those countries mind if you pick religion as a topic, just don't expect the same answers as you would get in the US.
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