| Jan 10 @ 6:25 PM |
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12knots
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The real spiritual teacher is the one that tells you, criticizes you, works you, tells you as it is, challenges you..... and so much more.
Also, what ever you confront is because you are the cause of the interaction. Deep in side you that is you the cause.
Last night whilst some and including myself jumped at another postee and also we are all guilty "challanging" the other party I thought "what the hell" we should all be careful by what we say because of the harm it may do another and to ourselves.
"As you so so shall you reap" or for others "karma"
Those who cause aggressive posts should be wary of their actions to another person but that receiving person should remember this is the learning zone you choose. The time that you choose to be challenged. It is a learning process for all. Your mind, your learning.
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| Jan 10 @ 7:25 PM |
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bevrice
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Lol, knotts, and I was simply posting what any psychologist would have told you or anyone else. You can google it and see. Oh, well, knotts, maybe some took it and twisted my words, but I still gave you the truth and how I would have to handle it as a counselor.
Now, granted, knotts, I look at it from a different angle that you or the others would, but that is my job, I can't help it. You can give them an aspirin, but I can give them the antibiotic.
Now, get mad at me again, lol. NO, PLEASE DON'T. 
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| Jan 10 @ 7:33 PM |
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bevrice
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Sorry, guys, I can't help it, I am a Christian counselor, just what I am. That is why I seem to be harsh to some of you, a little too bold, because that is what I have to be in my work. You know, we can't sugar coat things, that helps no one. We have to tell it how it is. You probably don't understand what I am saying, but I tried.
Now, please forgive me when I am a little outspoken, or a lot outspoken, lol.
Know that if you meet me in person, I am probably the gentlest person you ever met, and full of laughter and joy. I love to laugh. I never hold a grudge against anyone. I am very, very soft hearted, believe it or not.
  for all of you. Know that I love you all.
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| Jan 10 @ 7:37 PM |
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kattsmeow
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we should all be careful by what we say because of the harm it may do another and to ourselves.
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| Jan 10 @ 7:46 PM |
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BandTMom
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we should all be careful by what we say because of the harm it may do another and to ourselves.
And sometimes the blue edit pencil is a nice thing to have. 
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| Jan 10 @ 7:50 PM |
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Skydognc
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excellent words 12 !
I never hold a grudge against anyone. That is very much to your credit Bev, and the main reason I continue to search for common ground with you!
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| Jan 10 @ 9:26 PM |
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jamminjerry
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woo whoo! THIS IS A COOL ONE! is there any monkey out there who wishes to challange the words of my teacher! i think not! this is the one that i have been waithing for! verse and scripture, the monkeys can only rattle their cages crying what about out saviour john! LOL there is none else but Jesus, au contraire' there is none else but the words of Jesus. selah
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| Jan 11 @ 2:45 AM |
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uncrazy
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12knots,
The real spiritual teacher is the one that tells you, criticizes you, works you, tells you as it is, challenges you..... and so much more.
Also, what ever you confront is because you are the cause of the interaction. Deep in side you that is you the cause.
Quality thoughts. You gave me pause to reflect on the teachers who have given their time and attention to me. From the beginning they suggested I was isolated...I thought I was lonely because you weren't friendly. I am grateful that they worked with me even though they saw I wasn't hearing what they said clearly. Had they spoken in riddles, I would have surely been lost to their wisdom, for I could not even see their lessons when posted in front of me...it was like they were hiding in clear sight and I still could not see. They suggested I need to find an idea of God that I did not try to constantly discredit and that the idea would serve me no matter how poor its qualitiy when seen by others. They suggested that I suffered conflicts with others because I had an impoverished spirit and they were willing to help me search for the sources of this impoverishment. With great patience they helped me search out first shame, then resentments, then anger, then fear and now after many years we now work on guilt. We had to work in the mind, I could blame no others, not even God for my plights. I found the role of my ego and discovered how it dogged every step in my search and my attempts to think and live new ways. It fed back new conflicts using fear and pride. The voice of my ego in pride yelled I didn't need to look within me, its voice of fear said I didn't dare look. The teachers were ever encouraging me to continue my effort. They had me identify my trouble in each area, search for how it effected my life and then the very hardest part, what was my part in it? This work done over and over for each area created something I had not expected nor was I able to imagine before the work began.
What did I discover but that I began to sense the end of my isolation from god, me and you. I discovered where this god of my meager understanding had always resided. I found him inside me, deep within, and that he had always been there. I began to understand why my ego always wanted me to look outside me...it always knew what I would find if I looked within. When I found Him in me I found Him in you. I learned the one thing God could not do was to stop loving me and that he could not stop loving you even when I judged you wrong using my self-rightness labled by my ego as discernment and wisdom. The work did not end here...while my methods of isolating me from you were exposed I was next shown the path back to you and God. I was not told outright that it would require forgiveness of you...but practice of what they showed me in how they loved me when they knew all of me, taught me to forgive others. Each judgement I made became a chance to forgive the judged and I was able to untie the strings that bound you to me. It was as though you had offered me a conflict and then hung around reminding me of my discomfort until I could forgive you and find you innocent. In your innocence I found my own. I do not believe it would have been possible for me to find this place of peace with you without the patient teachers who came for me. Some have died and have been followed by new ones...they appear if I ask for help.
My teachers have taught me how to live and love you no matter what you do and if I'm troubled it points to something amiss with only me. For me God is...and I and you are the love of God. For seekers of salvation, I found it inevitable in the love of God. For seekers of the peace of the one mind, I am honored to see them bring truth to the illusions instead of illusions to truth. For seekers who discovered no god in this physical reality, I am honored to see men withhold sacredness from the illusions and delusions of our world.
I am grateful to my teachers.
[Edited on 1/11/2008 3:10 AM]
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| Jan 11 @ 4:19 AM |
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bevrice
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As a Christian, my greatest teacher, instructor is the Holy Spirit, He leads me and guides me into all truth. He chastises and leads me. He is with me all the time, we never stop learning and never reach perfection.
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| Jan 11 @ 11:23 AM |
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madamegeek
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I do not believe it would have been possible for me to find this place of peace with you without the patient teachers who came for me - Uncrazy -
I can see that your journey, while made with steps in and toward peace, has not always been tranquil. May it be ever thus as you continue to seek outward..
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| Jan 11 @ 11:23 AM |
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sail_dancer
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Knots,
Excellent thread!
Peace
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| Jan 11 @ 11:31 AM |
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sail_dancer
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Bev,
That is why I seem to be harsh to some of you, a little too bold, because that is what I have to be in my work.
I don't consider you harsh or bold. I consider you ignorant.
Because of your ignorance you say stupid things that cause people to react negatively toward you.
If you have notice, I have not been posting as much recently. I have made a decision to only post replys to you when I feel that my post is more important than the negative energy it produces in me.
Peace
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| Jan 11 @ 12:07 PM |
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bevrice
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Go away, sail, you just don't post because you don't have the answers, simple as that.
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| Jan 11 @ 1:50 PM |
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yashaenka
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As a Christian, my greatest teacher, instructor is the Holy Spirit, He leads me and guides me into all truth. He chastises and leads me. He is with me all the time, we never stop learning and never reach perfection.
Spirits, holy or not are not a He or She, they are a IT.
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| Jan 11 @ 2:19 PM |
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bevrice
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Well, God is an it, as well, but we call Him our Father, and since He and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are all God, I would assume that the Holy Spirit is He, as well.
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| Jan 11 @ 5:56 PM |
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BandTMom
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One of my greatest spiritual teaches can actually be myself. 
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| Jan 11 @ 6:11 PM |
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loisday
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Mom,
That should be true of all of us........................
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| Jan 11 @ 7:28 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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^^^^^^ What they said...and I think a good part of what Uncrazy said too. Some people need fellowship more than others, but our primary teacher lives inside us. We can be told anything by anyone, but whatever we hear or read still has to be sifted to see what's really there for us. I can't remember ever not feeling the 'ah ha' when something's true, even though I'll always do a sanity check anyway.
What if the various dimensions include our self-created heavens and hells - all based on what we do or don't believe?
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| Jan 11 @ 7:40 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Heaven,
What if the various dimensions include our self-created heavens and hells - all based on what we do or don't believe?
This would be a good thread topic. Why don't you start one?
Peace
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| Jan 16 @ 2:47 AM |
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carpediem48
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Uncrazy,,,,,,
I feel honoured to be the first one to respond to your post
I truly don't understand why someone else hasn't 
Perhaps it was meant to be this way
Knotts,, ,,I agree except that I would make the distinction that the 'way' the teacher 'interacts' with the student in your OP may not be 'my' way to learn,,,,??right now ,,,or ever
My own 'personal' perceptual filter translated these words,,,
'criticize',,,and
'Tells you like it is',,,,and
'works you' ,,,,,,,
After the 'automatic' translation process I was left with a negative feeling
But that doesn't mean my perception of 'negativity' is a 'Universal' reality
It just means,,,that's how I received it
This reaction of mine shows me an interesting 'area' re teachers that I might want to explore
BTW,,,'I translated' the reference re a teacher 'challenging me very positively
Anywaaaaaay,,,,I could really connect to the concept that all of us here on this forum have 'chosen' this learning zone,,,,consciously,,,or,,,unconsciously
[Edited on 1/16/2008 3:11 AM]
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