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Thor1960303
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There was a documentary on the History Channel some time back that researched the Biblical flood story.In talking to geologists,it was shown that there was no evidence of a global flood,but there was plenty of evidence for a local flood in the Middle East in the area once known as Mesopotamia (now Iraq).The documentary also showed that it would've been impossible to construct such a large vessel out of wood,saying the wood would become soft in the water,deforming the boat and taking it down.It also stated that carrying two of every living species was quite impossible.
The "real" story,they said, was about a Sumerian merchant who traveled on a barge up and down the Tigris/Euphrates Rivers doing business carrying goods and livestock.There was a local flood in the area and he and all aboard the boat survived.
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| Jan 11 @ 8:49 PM |
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kattsmeow
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http://www.reasons.org/resources/fff/2002issue10/index.shtml#noahs_flood
Following rigorous rules of biblical exegesis (discovering the original intent of text), a thoughtful reader finds that a global flood interpretation is neither as obvious nor as consistent as a superficial reading may suggest. Given a commitment to the veracity of both the Genesis text and the scientific record, a plausible scenario begins to emerge. The case for a regional flood can be divided into four general categories: theological, textual, anthropological, and geological.
It is a long read, but worth it when you get the time. I have the whole site book marked.
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| Jan 11 @ 8:56 PM |
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hammertime
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The "real" story,they said, was about a Sumerian merchant I believe it was a Sumerian king Ziusudra and this was about 2900 BC. It rained about a week and the flood resulted when the river overflowed about 30 ft higher than normal. Lots of deaths resulted. Noah is Ziusudra.
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| Jan 11 @ 9:34 PM |
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Angel54214
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Actually there are 4 Sumer glood stories found on fragments, none are complete stories. You can read about them on wiki or do self online research to see the tablets.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziusudra
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| Jan 12 @ 11:07 PM |
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Thor1960303
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Here is a really cool article on the "practical" version.
The first book about Noah's flood that makes sense
Noah's Ark and the Ziusudra Epic: Sumerian Origins of the Myth is a book that takes a fresh look at six versions of the Ancient Near East flood myth, demythologizes them, and combines the various story elements like pieces of a jigsaw picture puzzle into one coherent story. There actually was an archaeologically confirmed flood about 2900 BC on which the ark stories were based, but it was a local river flood, not a global deluge. The original ark stories were about a small commercial river barge that was hauling a few hundred cattle, sheep, and goats, but there were no kangaroos, lions, apes, elephants, or giraffes on that cattle barge.
The emphasis in this book is on what was physically possible, technologically practical, and consistent wth archaeological facts in ancient Sumer, now southern Iraq. The result of this synthesis is a reconstruction of a lost legend about a Sumerian king named Ziusudra who was chief executive of the city-state Shuruppak at the end of the Jemdet Nasr period about 2900 BC. A six-day thunderstorm caused the Euphrates River to rise 15 cubits, overflow the levees, and flood Shuruppak and a few other cities in Sumer. A few feet of yellow sediment deposited by this river flood is archaeologically attested and artifacts at about this sediment level have been radiocarbon dated.
When the levees overflowed, Ziusudra (Noah) boarded a commercial river barge that had been hauling grain, beer, and other cargo on the Euphrates River. The barge floated down the river into the Persian (Arabian) Gulf where it grounded in an estuary at the mouth of the river. Ziusudra (Noah) then offered a sacrifice on an altar at the top of a nearby hill which storytellers mistranslated as mountain. This led them to falsely assume that the nearby barge had grounded on top of a mountain. Actually it never came close to a mountain.
Skeptics are correct when they say Noah's flood (as it is commonly understood) could not have happened, because many of the story elements, such as grounding of the ark in the mountains of Ararat, would have been physically impossible. This book uncovers how the mountains of Ararat got involved in the story (Noah did not go there) and locates the precise spot (within a few meters) of where Noah offered his sacrifice. This is a historical site (not on a mountain) that has already been excavated by archaeologists.
After the ark grounded, Noah met other survivors of the flood and some of the things they discussed are mentioned in the myth that priests and storytellers told about the flood. Noah's family separated and Noah had to flee into exile, because of conflicts between Noah and other survivors of the flood. The place where Noah lived until his death is identified in this book. Noah's sons traveled northwest on foot along the Tigris River and settled at a place identified in this book.
The incredible numbers in Genesis 5 were the result of an ancient scribe mistranslating some archaic pre-cuneiform numbers into cuneiform sexagesimal numbers. The incredible numbers in the Sumerian King List were also mistranslated by another ancient scribe. This book successfully matches the Genesis 5 numbers to the Sumerian King List numbers.
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| Jan 12 @ 11:39 PM |
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ForumMod
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commercial river barge that had been hauling grain, beer,
blame it on the beer.  
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| Jan 12 @ 11:45 PM |
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BandTMom
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*snicker*
Good to see you, Mod.
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| Jul 19 @ 9:53 PM |
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Loreli
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Would you think if there was a pair of termites, the Ark would have been sunk by their eating habits? 
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| Jul 19 @ 9:58 PM |
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Thor1960303
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Would you think if there was a pair of termites, the Ark would have been sunk by their eating habits?
Bev, Hunt and SoC would probably have you believe that like the carnivores, God subdued them so that they would cause no destruction. Now my question: Why the hell didn't Noah swat those two mosquitoes?
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| Jul 19 @ 10:01 PM |
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SyndilLucian
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Because he was commanded by God to take two of each creature and bring them to the ark, and thereby save them from the all consuming flood he was about to unleash on the world.
That was easy.
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| Jul 19 @ 10:03 PM |
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j_goose
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He should have swatted the two Democrats and Two Repblicans as well...
ANd what happened to all the fish?
Literally, God said he would kill ALL life....
Poor fishies....
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| Jul 19 @ 10:05 PM |
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SyndilLucian
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There were two of every fish in tanks in the Ark.
I'm just upset because the unicorns were too busy playing to get on the Ark in time.
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| Jul 19 @ 10:07 PM |
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j_goose
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yeah, I miss the unicorns. They're pretty.
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| Jul 20 @ 12:26 AM |
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robodad
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| Jul 20 @ 12:42 AM |
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redhairNfreckles
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
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| Jul 20 @ 1:41 AM |
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Angel54214
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The documentary also showed that it would've been impossible to construct such a large vessel out of wood,saying the wood would become soft in the water,deforming the boat and taking it down.
Well, there is no such tree called "Gopher" that anyone has found in that region. But large massive ships later were built of Cypress as among other strong durable trees like Cedar, Fir and Boxwood. These Cypress trees grew in an abundance in the Babylon land, especially in their groves. Alexander built his naval ship of Cypress. The Cypress was darn near indistructible; with it being applied within and without of pitch would set a strong protective seal from the water as well from termites infestation and worm larve.
It also stated that carrying two of every living species was quite impossible.
Actually the scripture instuction of animals to aboard says...
Gen. 6:
19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive. So Noah's instructions were the sort by fowls, cattle and creeping things. Which I copied scripture from KJV, while other versions beasts is represented.
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| Jul 20 @ 11:08 AM |
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Thor1960303
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That's great Angel, now explain why there is no geological evidence of a global flood (that is, without alot of strecthing of the data to fit the dogma) or how they managed to feed,clean and care for animals, many of them carnivores who would've required at least 50 to 100 lbs of meat to survive.
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| Jul 20 @ 1:34 PM |
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Angel54214
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That's great Angel, now explain why there is no geological evidence of a global flood (that is, without alot of strecthing of the data to fit the dogma) or how they managed to feed,clean and care for animals, many of them carnivores who would've required at least 50 to 100 lbs of meat to survive.
Well, Thor I was just now reading latest news, and read about "New" evidence of Noah's global flood, I still reading as I type this reply:
http://biblicalgeology.net/content/view/94/9/
As far as you mentioning the managment of feeding and sanity care of the animals. Let's talk animal size first: Not impossible for young pairs to go on board of the cattle/beasts.
Their food provision intake would be much less and surely milk would have been a source from others. Dried foods including meats, grains and hay certainly would a benefactor and possible. Piping water by hollowed out tree logs into the ark also would not be a problem to set up.
Sanitary managment could have been obtaineed by various systems for the animals and the humans. The ark was to be made in 3 story levels and the stories were made up of room compartments. There could have been constructed trap floor doors to a room in the lower level. Deep bedding of hay/grass, etc. would benefit in this area for the confined duration. No saying that a lot would have been shoveled out the window. To me, urine cleanup would be the workload for sure, but if water was plentiful and the floors had sloped planks to a trap door, to a tank type room below; that would work. In the description of the archetecture of this ark, for it was not a ship or boat but a barge, it would be well built with all in mind. It was a piece that took over 100 years to build.
God did not leave Noah all alone to care and keep all the animals, for "God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark." Just like the thief on the cross said, "Lord, remember me when you come into your kingdom." The Lord Jesus said, "This day you shall be with Me in Paradise."
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| Jul 20 @ 1:49 PM |
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j_goose
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Even with young pairs of animals, Noah's ark would have never been able to hold all the millions of species there are in the world.
Impossible.
And what about Flies? They only have a life span of 24 hours. 40 days makes them extinct.
And how did all the species from say North america make it all the way to Noah? They swam across the atlantic? Come on.......
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| Jul 20 @ 2:56 PM |
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Angel54214
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Even with young pairs of animals, Noah's ark would have never been able to hold all the millions of species there are in the world.
Impossible. I do agree with you goose...Impossible. But who's to say and show proof that all species creations of animal life was completed before the flood.
And what about Flies? They only have a life span of 24 hours. 40 days makes them extinct. From the scriptures, insects were not included of those entered on the ark. Maybe they didn't exist yet, who knows.
And how did all the species from say North america make it all the way to Noah? They swam across the atlantic? Come on....... No it doesn't sound logical....but from what we know, all land masses were connected at one time; mountains and sea levels were not as high. The earth has been in a continueous rebirth.
Psalms 104:
4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire. 5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever. 6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains. 7 At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away. 8 They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them. 9 Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth. 10 He sendeth the springs into the valleys, which run among the hills.
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