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16knots
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SG:
PS: If you like to read some historical war facts, wander around that site I gave Knots above, where there are various links at the bottom.
YOU need to get your so-called facts right.  negating deaths of millions for the sake of winning an argument is very bad form indeed.
My re-post to SG:
Your link goes to a website I know very well indeed.
Most of the information is small actions with small figures in comparisons and I guess added up will not amount to more than one Nazi Death camp. Besides that, the whole Russian death toll is arguably greater than all atrocities summated during this period. In fact they are still trying to count the numbers due to the Communist Regime Secrecies. It is at present estimated well over 35,000,000 when for the whole theatre of war is said to be about 55,000,000. However, 
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loisday
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...Personally, I choose my own path and unlike most, I have never been baptized anything and don't use Christianity, or my beliefs as a crutch, or as a weapon, but attempt to lead a life by example, by integrity and although I fail often enough, I don't just quit; nor do I have the need to convince anyone.
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| Jun 17 @ 12:44 AM |
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SensualGemini
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Hammer: Your links don't show much. You are not aware of the major effort among scientists and academia scrutinizing religions, religious experiences as being a kind of tumor that is benign sometimes and malignant at others. Religion, especially Christianity as we know it will eventually fade or more like morph into something else less of a threat to humanity..
....You mean morph into something like Muslim jihadist? To the contrary, the various sects of Christianity will come and go, but Christianity is going no place before either man destroys the world, or something else does.
...Science and religion have been opposed since who knows when and this is supposed to be some astounding new discovery?
...And you have no idea what I know, or don't know.
...Here is some food for thought, in that science has endorsed religious wars for hundreds, if not thousands of years in creating new and better ways to kill each other. But, there are a few pacifistic Christian sects that do not participate in such self destructive nonsense, but unlike true pacifists, will defend themselves.
Hammer: If that weren't so, we would still have slavery, be burning people at the stake and torturing them for being in league with the devil.
...Get out in the world, as slavery still exists, as does torture, beheadings and all sorts of atrocities.
...In fact, you are a slave, as the Federal government takes their cut right out of your check and no different than if you first received it all and they came around and collected about half of it for their share.
Hammer: Another Savant moment brought to you by Home Skewled University.
...Was that it? ... 
...Oh, come on, surely you have a little education past the BA, being the stock boy and all. 
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Knots: Most of the information is small actions with small figures in comparisons and I guess added up will not amount to more than one Nazi Death camp. Besides that, the whole Russian death toll is arguably greater than all atrocities summated during this period. In fact they are still trying to count the numbers due to the Communist Regime Secrecies. It is at present estimated well over 35,000,000 when for the whole theatre of war is said to be about 55,000,000. However,
...Pass your literacy test and go back and read some more. The Japanese atrocities total some 50 million dead, but who counts a few million Chinese, as there are so many of them. If you don't find it all there, let me know and I have a couple of other links.
...Now, are you finished with the smoke and mirrors?
...You, the OP, started this thread with a lie, that you have yet to prove up as being a fact and never will.
...With that, the minions get back up on their pedestals and claim your self righteous throne of BS as being some nonsensical fact.
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Jankia: /Watch it SG,he gets really demoralized whens hes caught posting his lies and deceit,so much so it limits his choice of friends on here.
...Hey Jon, you sly ol dog...
...Oh, I had some free time and decided to play a little with the village idiot(s), although I am becoming confused myself; did they "multiply" or is this the part, the example of where America is "dumbing" down? Someone must be putting too much fluoride in the water again.
...Knots is never going to prove up his OP statement and thus, this is a waste of time. Actually, I have been cordial and polite, except for the one about Knots being confused, but he knows that I know him and his personal history very well. We started with 8Knots and it has multiplied ever since.
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| Jun 17 @ 12:45 AM |
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hammertime
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...Get out in the world, as slavery still exists, as does torture, beheadings and all sorts of atrocities. Oh, Christianity still working? No, those are Muslim who are a few hundred years behind Christians. They're doing what Christians used to do.
Was that it? ...
...Oh, come on, surely you have a little education past the BA, being the stock boy and all. a That wasn't meant for you...The savant knows for whom
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| Jun 17 @ 12:46 AM |
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SensualGemini
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Hammer: That wasn't meant for you...The savant knows for whom
...It was right after my post and I thought we were getting along rather well; for the religious threads.
Hammer: Oh, Christianity still working? No, those are Muslim who are a few hundred years behind Christians. They're doing what Christians used to do.
...I don't think the Muslims are going to change. They have been doing the same thing, since they threw King Richard(?) out in about 1200AD.
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| Jun 17 @ 12:50 AM |
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hammertime
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...In fact, you are a slave, as the Federal government takes their cut right out of your check and no different than if you first received it all and they came around and collected about half of it for their share.  Thanks for that... That is why I have to make a so much money that what's left over for me is more than enough. So far so good but I resent paying enough taxes to feed several freeloading families. At least I can spend my portion the way I want to.
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| Jun 17 @ 12:57 AM |
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16knots
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SG:
Is this the way you behave at home?
So far you have NOT validated anything you have said. "Off" the cuff waffle.
All your abusive rhetoric:
The Japanese atrocities total some 50 million dead, but who counts a few million Chinese, as there are so many of them. If you don't find it all there, let me know and I have a couple of other links.
I guess that leaves just 5,000,000 average died for the rest of the world. Concentration camps, major battles, etcetera never happened
Hey, dont be nice for me, be your self 
Second World War (1937-45): 55 000 000 [make link]
* Total:
o It's the most intensively studied event of the 20th Century, so the margin of error is not quite a wide here as for most of the other wars and oppressions on this page. Most historians agree that the death toll was about 50 million (including wartime atrocities). If you don't believe me, here's just a sampling of the books I have on hand:
+ Haywood: Atlas of World History (1997): 50M
+ Keegan, J., The Second World War (1989): 50M
+ Messenger, The Chronological Atlas of World War Two (1989): 50M
+ The Times Concise Atlas of World History (1988): 50M
+ J.M. Roberts, Twentieth Century (1999): >50M
+ Urlanis: 50M
# Soldiers: 22.0M
# Civilians
* In camps, from Fascist terror: 12.0M
* From hostilites, blockade, epidemics, hunger: 14.5M
* From bombing: 1.5M
+ Dictionary of Military History (1994): 41M
+ Wallechinsky: 40-55M
+ Kinder, The Anchor Atlas of World History (1978): 55M
+ Hammond: 55M
+ Guiness World Records: 56.4M [http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/index.asp?id=46252]
+ Sivard, Ruth Leger, World Military and Social Expenditures 1986 (11th ed.): 38,351,000 (1939-45), not incl. 1.8M in Sino-Japanese War (1937-41)
+ Brzezinski:
# Military: 19M
# Civilians, "actual byproduct of hostilities": 20M
# Civilians, Sino-Japanese War: 15M
# Hitler's murders: 17M
# TOTAL: 71M
+ Rummel:
# European War Dead (1939-45): 28,736,000
# Sino-Japanese War Dead (1937-45): 7,140,000
# War-related Democides
* Hitler: 20,946,000
* Stalin: 13,053,000
* Japanese: 5,964,000
* Chinese Nationalist: 5,907,000
* Allied Bombing: 796,000
* Croatian: 655,000
* Tito: 600,000
* Romanian domestic democide: 484,000
* Chinese Communist: 250,000
* Hungarian democide in Yugoslavia: 78,000
* [TOTAL: 48,733,000]
# [TOTAL (1937-45): 84,609,000]
+ AVERAGE
# The MEDIAN of these estimates is 50M.
# If we add up the country-by-country medians (of total death tolls) we get:
* LEVEL 1: 47.35M
o USSR: 20.0M
o China: 10.45M
o Poland: 5.8M
o Germany: 5.5M
o India: 2.15M
o Japan: 1.9M
o Yugoslavia: 1.55M
* LEVEL 2: ca. 3.8M
* LEVEL 3: ca. 0.25M
* TOTAL: 51.4M
# The country-by-country medians for military personnel killed in the war are:
* USSR: 10.0M
* Germany: 3.5M
* China: 2.05M
* Japan: 1.5M
* USA: 0.4M
* Romania: 0.3M
* Yugoslavia: 0.3M
* UK: 0.28M
* Italy: 0.23M
* France: 0.21M
* Hungary: 0.14M
* Poland: 0.125M
* TOTAL: 19.0M
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16knots
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Hey, SG, dont forget....
The whole world will fall apart but Christianity will remain here singing its own praises... to whom
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| Jun 17 @ 1:42 AM |
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SensualGemini
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Knots: The whole world will fall apart but Christianity will remain here singing its own praises... to whom
...The same scenario can be said about the Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, Jews, etc. Did anyone really think they were getting out of this world alive? The real deal is that nobody knows for certain and there is no reason to put down what someone else believes as being wrong... as the fact remains, you don't know either. So, who are you (or anyone else) trying to convince and why the need to do so?
Knots: Is this the way you behave at home?
...Ah, there is our passive/aggressive buddy!
...You do have a problem with staying on topic, especially since it was your topic to begin with. Your stats do not count them all, nor will all the dead ever be accounted for. But yes, the Japanese were responsible for many of the millions in your stats and although I could be off 5 or 10 million, they were far worse than the Germans in killing civilians and military by atrocities. Start a thread and we will banter about it.
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...Now, back on topic and prove up your OP statement.
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Hammer: Thanks for that... That is why I have to make a so much money that what's left over for me is more than enough. So far so good but I resent paying enough taxes to feed several freeloading families. At least I can spend my portion the way I want to.
... Oh yes! ... And I just paid my property taxes that are for the schools, local bridges and roads; at least that is what the break down says. Then, I filled up with gas for almost a $100, which included the state and federal taxes for their roads and bridges... with the state sales tax for who knows what, etc. And then with FICA, Medicare, Federal and State taxes on wages, a dozen different taxes on utilities, etc., I think we are up to about 70 cents out of every dollar going to taxes and... we fought the Revolutionary War for what again?
...Oh, I remember now, the UK taxes are even worse...
...Now, are you sure what is left, is actually your portion to spend as you want to?
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| Jun 17 @ 8:29 AM |
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16knots
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SG:
...The same scenario can be said about the Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, Jews, etc.
You are learning, like I said you would. Did anyone really think they were getting out of this world alive?
The real deal is that nobody knows for certain and there is no reason to put down what someone else believes as being wrong... as the fact remains, you don't know either. So, who are you (or anyone else) trying to convince and why the need to do so?
Now, now, SG, One step at a time buddy! You have only just learnt the first step.
...Ah, there is our passive/aggressive buddy!
Oh, give it a rest! Same old SG! This is a debating Forum, not the boy scouts!
...You do have a problem with staying on topic, especially since it was your topic to begin with. Your stats do not count them all, nor will all the dead ever be accounted for. But yes, the Japanese were responsible for many of the millions in your stats and although I could be off 5 or 10 million, they were far worse than the Germans in killing civilians and military by atrocities. Start a thread and we will banter about it.
WOW, you are still arguing about YOUR stats on war dead! Guess you better start telling us the world is flat and Jesus "Loves You!" YOU ARE WRONG! GET OVER IT.
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Yes, fed up with all your banter and waffle At least one thing you HAVE admitted - religions ARE impermanent. Guess you answered your own answer 
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| Jun 17 @ 4:50 PM |
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SensualGemini
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Knots: At least one thing you HAVE admitted - religions ARE impermanent.
...Still living among the incoherent? ... I said humans, as well as self serving religious sects are impermanent; not the religion itself and more specifically, Christianity.
...You throw the word "waffle" around as if you are the resident expert of doing so and well, you have no argument here.
...Now, attempt to prove your OP statement as previously questioned (numerous times), or give it a rest and we can all agree that fiction remains as your facade.
...The fact remains, Christianity not only continues to grow, but more rapidly than those who prostrate their convictions to a bronzed doorstop and call it truth.
...You lose... again.
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| Jun 17 @ 7:07 PM |
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16knots
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SG:
The posts are evident you ARE a waffler.
So are you saying mankind is impermanent yet Christianity is not 
What proof have you of this "ignorance"?
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| Jun 17 @ 7:18 PM |
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BandTMom
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I think this is a good place for this too:
Do not believe in anything simply because you heard it.
Do not believe anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.
But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conductive to the good and benefit of one and all, the accept it and live up to it.
-----The Buddha
Carry on.
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| Jun 17 @ 7:22 PM |
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hammertime
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Religion will die out when we stop worrying about death.
--Christopher Hitchens (Christmas with Christopher Hitchens)
http://www.avclub.com/content/interview/christmas_with_christopher
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| Jun 17 @ 7:24 PM |
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16knots
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mom, hammer
SG is on his journey.
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| Jun 17 @ 7:25 PM |
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BandTMom
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As we all are!
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| Jun 17 @ 9:09 PM |
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SensualGemini
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Knots: So are you saying mankind is impermanent yet Christianity is not
...Dang, read it again... did I mention mankind?
...Yet, there remains another theory, that if mankind is to continue down it's present path, your incoherency could actually become a truth.
...As well, even Buddhism will probably survive beyond you and without you. After all, those bronze statues last a long time.
...I appreciate your tenacity there Hillary, but until...
...Now, attempt to prove your OP statement as previously questioned (numerous times), or give it a rest and we can all agree that fiction remains as your facade.
...You lose this one and actually lost before you posted the thread.
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| Jun 17 @ 9:25 PM |
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16knots
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SG:
...As well, even Buddhism will probably survive beyond you and without you. After all, those bronze statues last a long time
Who cares? (Thats not the absolute reality.) And, bronze statues will disappear too! Whether they last a long time or not, again, who cares. Buddhism isnt Buddhism The Buddha himself spoke of the death of Buddhism as in ALL things.
SG, there is no loss here. YOU answered the question yourself.....
A man asked a Zen master, "What is the difference between truth and a lie?"
And the master said, "Four inches."
The man was puzzled. He asked again, "I don't understand. What do you mean?"
The master said, "the difference between the ear and the eye is the difference between the lie and the truth. The lie is all that you hear from the ear; the heard is the lie and the seen is the truth."
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| Jun 17 @ 9:52 PM |
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SensualGemini
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Knots, .... attempting to baffle with BS, is no substitute for brilliance. Riddles are not proof to your OP statement and neither is attempting to endorse Buddhism as any fact of relevance for proof of your OP statement for Christianity.
SG: ... Ignorance and wishful thinking does not make the thread title a fact, but to the contrary of "absolute truth", it is a lie and representative of the OP's ideology, his claim to fame of knowing the truth.
...Thus, if you cannot prove your own OP title or posted statement with any fact, links, proof, etc., it remains as simply a stupid statement by someone that does not realize fact from fiction... uhm, that would be you, with your rhetorical nonsense.
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| Jun 17 @ 9:59 PM |
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16knots
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SG, Christianity has no choice but to fade out. YOU know it!
Everyone of your posts has been waffle. I like to banter with you but YOU know the truth.
It would be very easy of me to post stats, news reports, surveys, etc., on the fact Christianity is dying out in many countries, mainly developed countries.... oh!... but of course not the good ole US of A. Or the developing countries which are Christianities last strong holds.
But then again, if you look at the stats for Christianity for the USA.... OVER inflated!
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