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uncrazy
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Angel54,
In Revelations I've noticed that we can find 4 beasts.
In Jewish history we have Jewish revolt in in 1AD, and can find references to a calf, a dragon, and a beast.
I need to study this more...I need to find a Hasidic or older orthodox Jew to have lunch with and ask these questions. Even if they don't know the answers straigtht off, I know they have the written history to find them in.
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| Aug 14 @ 2:07 AM |
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Angel54214
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Help me with a source on this, I want to read more on this. Magdalene and Joseph Arimathea show all over France and even into Britain in the early part of the 1st century. The baptist history is also prevalent wherever we see Magdalene revered. I believe you would be quite content to read the "legenda aurea."
How close is Syro to Cyrus, Syro would be Jewish, Cyrus Greek? Also look to the greeks horizon land of Larnaka, which was Kittim...you will find such treasure there you seek. Must not to forget the veil lifting of Lazarus' pallium of royal purple which Mary, mother of Jesus took delicate time in making for him when he fled to Cyrus and Larnaka is marked with the x on the nobles map.
I would be in delight to contribute on the rest of your questions at another tomorrow.
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| Aug 14 @ 3:47 AM |
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uncrazy
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Thank you Angel54.
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| Aug 14 @ 10:41 AM |
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Angel54214
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Uncrazy....I concur we do have a long journey still to go. As I look to Saul in the O.T., being first a righteous King and dies an unrighteous King. But raised in the N.T. as an unrighteous servant and dies as a righteous servant. Perhaps another name of Jarius existed before; could look to the "I' names as well. The oral words of God's ways are not our ways, could hold a new meaning that once was old.
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| Aug 15 @ 2:27 PM |
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uncrazy
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Temple and Community Organization
I am seeing that the people lived around the temple, grouped in neighborhoods that the Jews would call tribes. The houses of Dan and Asher were the places for the celibate women to live and raise the patriarchal hiers.
The church implies to us that the only temple was in Jerusalem, but this was not so. The Jarius shows a second temple, one of many found in towns all over the area. Each of these smaller temples was hooked to the Jerusalem one, with each sub-temple high priest being a second to the high priest in Jerusalem. An Abiathar priest might be a name for another sub-temple high priest.
This organization was part of their missionary structure to spread the word of God (into the desert), meaning a place without a Jewish temple.
We see this same organizational structure in both the Eastern and Roman churches.
Because we today have services in churches on certain days so it is easy to backfit our ideas on the temple service schedule in Jesus's day.
The temple was active 24/7. Formal services with food were held twice daily, messengers were received and dispatched by runners, abbots from outbound temples gave reports, taxes and fees were collected and payments authorized event hough money was considered unclean. Trials would be run there. It functioned as the courts of kings and queens in other countries.
Side activities included constant repetitions of prayers because they marked time with them, others tended oil lamps that burned at certain rate to mark time. Shadows were also measured for timekeeping. Scribes worked to record money collected and paid, progress of student in the school, ranks of memebers, births, deaths and scripture.
They never closed like we see our churches today close between services. The community ran its entire social world using the temple structure. This makes the anger at the tearing down or descecrating a temple understandable...it upset the balance, structure and timing of their lives.
All this information is findable in the community rules of the Qumran find.
To the arguments that none of this can be true because it isn't in the bible, I offer that it is in the bible...it is everywhere in the bible OT and NT.
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| Aug 17 @ 12:18 AM |
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The church implies to us that the only temple was in Jerusalem, but this was not so. The Jarius shows a second temple, one of many found in towns all over the area. Each of these smaller temples was hooked to the Jerusalem one, with each sub-temple high priest being a second to the high priest in Jerusalem. An Abiathar priest might be a name for another sub-temple high priest.
We can bring a number to the surface from the O.T. as numeral 24; the course of priesthood assignments to various cities and aligned in contineneous rotation. A focal point to eye the priest that walks around the dieing man in the ditch and he scurries along to the covered benched seat that reserve his name in Jericho saying I am clean! I am clean!
And back in Jeruselem, the temple crowds as lots are thrown as to who will be the next high priest upon the rising year. There is a word that ties the sure security of high priest as one must be a "Sagan" first to be purchased by the shekel lot tossed at his unclean sandles.
And the leper begger slumps outside the temple gate holds identity as one that was lost and then found through the rise from his death he was cleansed as his family points upward to the place where is real riches lay.
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| Sep 29 @ 12:06 PM |
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uncrazy
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I've moved the the historical Jewish definitions for "saint" and "sinner".
When the word sinner was used in the original text of the gospel and epistle writers "sinner" and "saint" had completely different meanings in the daily life of the temple trained Jews of the day.
I cannot imagine that the writers meant what today's christians have come to believe they stood for then. It appears the original meaning of both "saint" and "sinner" have been drastically modified since then...and it seems to have been most useful to support the act of judging general behavior as holy and unholy...it also hasn't seemed to matter that Jesus himself said..."Judge not..." perhaps he didn't really mean it.
In Jesus's time these words meant:
Saint...unmarried celibate, male or female.
Sinner...a Jewish married person.
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| Sep 29 @ 12:42 PM |
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uncrazy
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Moving references list.
Sail_dancer,
For sources, on the Egyptian/Semetic links we have Ahmed Osman and Charles Pope.
For strong geneologies, we have Laurence Gardner.
For intense histories of religion showing contrasts and parallels in the Abrahamic beliefs we have Bloom and Karen Armstrong.
For Dead Sea Scrolls and the pesherim we have Barbara Thiering.
For contemporary histories to the gospel era, we have Clemintine, Josephus, Hegesippus, Eusebius.
Gardner and Thiering will conflict at times, but these are just two scholars that call attention to things that need relooking.
This is only a small list of reference material...each book has extensive bibliography for additional research.
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| Sep 30 @ 10:56 AM |
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yashaenka
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Try the Age Of Reason for a real discourse on Men and God.
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| Oct 6 @ 11:26 AM |
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An old movie on TV last evening was on a story about Jesus and the crucifixion, with an emphasis on the Sanhedrin and Pilate.
Jesus was accused of corrupting the teaching of the temple (similiar to the charge fundamentalists often make to any that offer information that conflicts with the accepted church dogma) and that he was the King of the Jews.
As there was a conflict in Jesus' legitimacy based on Joseph and Mary violating the rules for betrothal and wedding, (Mary became pregnant early), the Pharisees would declare Jesus not a legitimate heir to the David throne. This would have made James, the next son of Joseph and Mary the expected Messiah or David king.
The Sadducees considered the marriage legal and the birth of Jesus legitimate. This is what the Magians(Sadducee Essenes) were declaring by witnessing the birth, led to Jesus by Joseph, who as the reigning David, wore the emblem of the Star of David.
If we learn too much information about the Jewish temple practices and community social rules, so many of the mysteries clear. I do like the idea from Thomas Paine that mysteries actually have no place in religion if the religion is really declaring for us God revealed truth.
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| Oct 6 @ 11:59 AM |
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uncrazy
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On why was a Messiah expected at the time of Jesus's birth.
The temple priest in their time calculation where setting and updating the immenent restoration of the Essene priesthood to the temple and self rule by the kingship of a David.
These priests lost the temple control when they left the Jewish community at the end of the Maccabean revolt. They left the rest of the jews for fighting on the Sabbath, and left to settle first outside the city at what became the Essene gate, and moved on to settle and create a temple in Qumran. In this group of Jews were the decendant lines of the the House of David and the Zadokite priesthood from Aaron.
Actually two Messiahs(not redeemers) were expected, one from the line of Aaron (resulting in the birth of John the Baptist out of the Elijah patriarchal line), and Jesus out of the Jacob leg of the Abrahamic patriarchal line for the House of David.
John's birth would have also been considered a virgin birth, but it would have detracted from the story told about Jesus. The Baptist story and the Joseph story are really way in the backrounds...if too much information comes out about John's line, we see he was a high priest, and Jesus as the David would have been in service to him. On John's death another rose to lead his former disciples...but this complicates the accepted version of the story.
The man who took John's place is right in front of us. With John's death we had no heir for the Zadok priest so a substitute would have to be found. When this man lost power, Jesus was able to rise to both positions of priest and king...Peter records this in Hebrews, but looking too closely at this shakes the idea that Jesus had left them in the Ascension and might still be around.
On the idea of multiple comings of the messiah, the rules of dynastic marriages for celibates required the return of the celibate priest to the world.
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| Oct 6 @ 3:18 PM |
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Copied to this thread to use as general references.
Hammer,
I will offer pieces of the jigsaw puzzle that churchmen cannot easily offer without knowing about the Jewish temple rites and community rules of social order.
First their were pro-Roman and anti-Roman,
pro-Herod, and anti-Herod as the monarch over the Jews,
Pro and anti Antipas, pro and anti Agrippa,
Pharisee, Sadducee, and Essene,
Jerusalem temple Jews and Diaspora wilderness Jews,
Believers and non-believers in resurrection,
Saints and sinners, were the celibates and the married...this is complicated in that the celibate saints could enter into the world to create heirs to the dynastic patriarchal lines, then return to celibate and virginal states after successful conception.
two Jerusalems, a singular one for Jerusalem itself and the plural form of the word Jerusalem that stood to mean Qumran
Add to this the time keeping that grouped people as solarists, lunarists, and a combo of solar/lunarists. We can actual see that time adjustments were being made on the day of the crucifixion.
As if this many of variables was not enough, we have them mixed and matched, and they alliances were constantly shifting.
An additional complication to understanding is the use of multiple names for a single person...even Jesus is denoted with different names in different times and stories. An example of this is "the Word of God found in revelation and Acts or the Macedonian in Acts. Magdalene is also multi-named and referenced, as is the sister of Mary, the mother to Jesus.
Distances equated to time, as did the prayers being said in cycles to measure time.
It takes real study to sort through all of this, but it is doable...naturally it is far easier just to believe the fable, and what was written to not make sense on one level to be the non-understood wisdom of God that is easily labled a mystery...
Mystery, the true enemy of bible truth...I like Thomas Paine's thinking on this.
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| Oct 7 @ 8:12 AM |
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yashaenka
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God is my mind and my mind is my God......
The Global Orchestra Director is in mind the question is which mind is the true mind?
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| Oct 7 @ 8:36 AM |
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How Did the Name Jesus Originate?
Over the last ten years that the Power Latent In Man SHOW has been on cable, we have done 12 shows on various aspects of the Sacred and Holy Name of our Heavenly Father and His Son. The Power Latent In Man SHOW was one of the first shows (beginning in December 1990, on Chicago Access cable) to introduce the true and sacred name Yahweh and His Son Yahshua and uses them on a regular basis. The PLIM REPORT has also published over 6 articles on the true name and they are on the public side of our website. See http://www.plim.org/truename.html.
Today many Christians and others assume that the Greek name Jesus was the original name of the Savior who was Hebrew. If one does the research, one finds out that it is impossible for the Savior’s name to be Jesus.
What is the intent of this article?
The intent of this article is to investigate the origin of the Greek name Jesus and its erroneous transliteration of the Hebrew name of our Savior Yahshua. Our Saviour’s Name in Hebrew is IaHUShUA (read from right to left). The English name “Jesus,” which later employed the letter “J,” is a derivation from Greek “Iesous” and the Latin “Iesus” version.
This name “Jesus” commonly used in Christianity today did not exist and would not be spelled with the letter “J” until about 500 years ago. This article will also discuss the grammatical errors involved in the transliteration of Yahshua into Greek and Latin, which radically changed the form of Yahshua’s name.
So much for those would be Jesus emulators they do not even make the effort to understand where his name in truth canm from.
How did the name Jesus originate
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