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BandTMom
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If you look above you will find where the Idea of hagar started with Sarah giving hagar to abraham.
 I brought that one up!
As I said Abraham Listened to the woman and look what came of it.
Pray tell where you first said that. You never even thought of it until I gave you the idea. 
And Napa
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| Apr 12 @ 10:49 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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ya all shoot dirty pool.
Dirty, clean. In-ground, above-ground. Kiddie, olympic. We'll shoot any pool we darn well please...
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| Apr 12 @ 10:50 PM |
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12knots
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Napa I dont think that is possible with you guys. Having a good clean debate isnt possible ya all shoot dirty pool.
Said you were a master. You teach us well Obi One 
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| Apr 12 @ 10:52 PM |
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BandTMom
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| Apr 12 @ 10:52 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Oh... THAT kind of pool ! ! !
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| Apr 12 @ 10:52 PM |
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BandTMom
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Of course he's a master...just look at his picture. 
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| Apr 12 @ 10:53 PM |
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SunBabe
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But be careful...some pools have SHARKS! 
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| Apr 12 @ 10:53 PM |
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BandTMom
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I get it!!!
Pool
Shark
Pool Shark!!!
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| Apr 12 @ 10:57 PM |
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hunt4luv
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page one bmom
You said you said it?
It is pretty certain both Adam and Eve were driven from the garden since she became pregnant after man was separated from the tree of life. Her punishment was that her desire would be to the man, and also that of the pain of childbirth.
In scripture as I am sure you have noticed only woman of key roles are mentioned. Or those of renowned position. Notice also the price of man listening to
the woman's advice that Disagreed with Gods Direction. Adam was punished for listening to the woman. Abraham brought a price for listening to Sarah when she offered hag er, that price hangs over Israel To this day. The serpent came to the woman the woman to the man. Yet the man had been given his instruction by God. There is a price for allowing ourselves to be persuaded to step off the Path we have been given to follow.
Ishmael was the result of Man not trusting in God and trying to do things himself. A lack of belief after many years of waiting for the promise brought about the Birth of the greatest enemy the children of Israel have ever had. They lifted up a man as God in Mohammad and Islam was born.
If Abraham and Sarah would have Trusted and waited this dark reflection of Israel would not have come to be.
Notice once the true son was born That which was not meant to be was cast out of the camp. He was not to have a portion in the birthright. He was born of unbelief./Impatient if you will
Amman and Mo ab came from the daughters of Job
Ed om was a great nation and was born of Esau remember they would not allow the children of Israel to cross their lands.
Whatever God has Made known as his will tends to have a mirror image such as Ishmael and Mohammad --- Jacobs sons/Ishmael's sons only one represents Gods true path the other Darkness/ self.
Just as Cain and able reflect opposite sides of the coin.
Cains sacrifice was of the sweat of his brow taken from the earth that had been chosen over the creator.
Ables sacrifice was that of a shepherd. One who tends and cares for protects and loves brought his first fruits to God. He brought life to God for life is in the blood.
so you see once again it comes down to doing things Gods way Or our Way.
our way has created the sorrow that the world lives in today.
There is much analogy and metaphor in scripture Christ himself spoke in parables.
The Choice is always before us between Gods way or doing things mans way.
CHOOSE YOU THIS DAY
[Edited on 4/12/2008 11:00 PM]
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| Apr 12 @ 10:57 PM |
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12knots
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hunt, no one will listen to you when you speak with two mouths and listen with one ear. Or, in this case read with one eye.
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| Apr 12 @ 11:01 PM |
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hunt4luv
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Their is little point in me having a conversation with the willing blind.
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| Apr 12 @ 11:01 PM |
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BandTMom
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You said it in your first post and never mentioned it again until I brought it up.
Now you going to blame all the problems you perceive on women??
Knotty is correct....no one will listen to you because of the nonsense you have posted.
And no one will listen because you do not know how to talk to people.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
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| Apr 12 @ 11:02 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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The book of Genesis was a departure from the dual-deity worship (male/female) as practiced by prehistoric (literally... no writing back then) Israelites. The female godhood was removed, and the patriarchal society built from there.
Thus, the story of the female being easily deceived, and the female tempting the male, is just an excuse to replace the more egalitarian nature of earlier times with the stratified society of later times.
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| Apr 12 @ 11:04 PM |
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BandTMom
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Many if not most of the world's "religions" (I use that term only as a reference) have a feminine principal.
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| Apr 12 @ 11:19 PM |
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Angel54214
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If you look above you will find where the Idea of hagar started with Sarah giving hagar to abraham.
As I said Abraham Listened to the woman and look what came of it.
If Ishmael had not been Born?????? Where would Islam be today?
If Abraham had not listened to Sareh when God had told him His seed would be as the sand of the sea ??????
Ok, Hunt I back Now let's see what really happened and what God said... Gen. 21 9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking. 10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac. 11 And the thing was very grievous in Abraham’s sight because of his son. 12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called. 13 And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed.
God told Abraham to listen to his wife Sarah... 
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| Apr 12 @ 11:21 PM |
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when I hear the story of Cain an Abel, the idea of a barbecue comes to mind. It was easy to cook the lamb, smelled good, excellent taste...Cain really needed more time to work out his recipe for the baked beans... Cain was angry loosing another cookoff.
This conflict between these two brothers was not likely so simple as acceptability of gifts to God...if I remember, Abel taunted Cain...children are know to be vicious in this...what was the taunt about I wonder that could have angered Cain to kill.
If I bring my gift to God and it is all I have and God doesn't like it...I will go out an try to find Him another one...I won't be mad at man or God for liking their gift.
I always have found it odd, having read that the first generations of Adam and Eve ate only fruit and nuts of the trees. Why is it meat offering is now preferred over the first food eaten in the garden?
[Edited on 4/13/2008 12:11 AM]
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| Apr 13 @ 12:10 AM |
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Angel54214
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when I hear the story of Cain an Abel, the idea of a barbecue comes to mind. It was easy to cook the lamb, smelled good, excellent taste...Cain really needed more time to work out his recipe for the baked beans... Cain was angry loosing another cookoff.
your too funny! Hey, I wonder who would have won the pie eating contest. 
I always have found it odd, having read that the first generations of Adam and Eve ate only fruit and nuts of the trees.
I don't find it odd, but Cain was a tiller of the ground; tilling is for seed sowing and all plants had their seeds. Maybe Eve could bake a real awsome loaf of barley or wheat bread!
The earth needed time for life to populate it. Animals included. A time preservation requirement seems logical then for the first 10 generations.
Why is it meat offering is now preferred over the first food eaten in the garden?
After the flood destruction of every evil to the imagination by man, (most likely included bestiality), God said to Noah...
Gen. 9:
1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. Untamed animals are very skidish, and some species are frightened of humans when approached. Most likely before the flood they were naturally tame and came to man on own accord, as we see in the animals aboarding to ark without any trouble mentioned.
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| Apr 13 @ 12:32 AM |
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hunt4luv
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Angel God told him to listen after the damage was done. she was the voice to caste Hagar out since Hagar was her hand maiden. This isn't a man woman issue,
I really don't have time for the ignorance of it. the point of the whole discussion is
stepping out of Gods will cost some high prices. Our choices have prices
and man has no right to blame the wickedness of man on God. The shape this world is in is due to man making bad choices. Its as simple as that.
Just trying to keep the main thing the main thing.
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| Apr 13 @ 12:35 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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So the whole point of the Abrahm/Sarai/Hagar thing was a barren woman wanting a child, then casting out her rival once the deed was done.
Not about a lecherous man who wanted to have sex with his wife's slave...
I find the latter story to be less unbelievable. And less misogynistic/patriarchal.
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