| Apr 13 @ 9:38 AM |
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hunt4luv
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Angel Some of the names in cains blood line and seths are the same and some simular. yet their are differences. notice in cains line the father of lamach was Mathusael
the birth of Seth is registered Imediatly after Cains liniege is Given.
In Seths Blood line Mathusaluh was the father of Lamach and Noah was his son.
It bears Scritinizing. I dont think Cain was Noahs Line.
Yet all were conected by One blood line a generation further back.
You notice when The blood line from Adam is shown it says Adam lived A hundred and thirty years then Seth was Born.
16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
18 [B]And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.
19 And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.
20 And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle.
21 And his brother’s name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.
22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.
23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.
24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.
25[/B] And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.
ABOVE IS CAINS BLOODLINE
BELOW IS SETHS
1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:
7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters:
8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.
9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:
10 And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters:
11 And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.
12 And Cainan lived seventy years, and begat Mahalaleel:
13 And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters:
14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.
15 And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:
16 And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters:
17 And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.
18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:
19 And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.
21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:
22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
[B]25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech:
26 And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:
27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.
28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.
30 And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters:
31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.
32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth
YOU WILL NOTICE THAT CAIN WAS THE FATHER OF ENOCH IN HIS BLOOD LINE
JERAD WAS THE FATHER OF ENOCH IN SETHS BLOOD LINE.
WE ARE CLEARLY TALKING OF TWO SEPERATE PEOPLE IN MATHSALAH AND MATHUSAEL
ALSO THE TWO LAMACHS MENTIONED ARE SEPERATE IDENTITIES.
Cains Lamach had 2 wives and he killed a man.
Seths Lamach was the Father of Noah
[Edited on 4/13/2008 9:52 AM]
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| Apr 13 @ 9:41 AM |
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12knots
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Sail 
Sounds like the same fables taught by the old and new testaments.
Would you like to see the verses in your bible that instruct to kill nonbelievers? Put down women?
How about the rapes and destroying of whole cities. You are blind to the fact that all three Abrahamic religions are based on hate, war and genocide.
Hypocrites.
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| Apr 13 @ 10:15 AM |
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hunt4luv
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God instructed Israel to destroy all of the enemy the idols and religions were not meant to taint the truth. but Israel disobeyed and it was the reason for their being sold of into slavery and being carried off to Babylon.
Here oh Israel the lord our God is one God.
I can only expect you to scream about God Knotty
Your false doctrine would have been destroyed under his laws.
from the time of Gideon through the kings . such as Josiah, and Hezekiah
the alters were periodically torn down and the priests slain in these times of obedience those who followed Gods will were blessed. man kept turning to idol worship. even to Mo lech and Ashtoroth who they sacrificed their children to.
from groves with idles cut into the face of trees to pray to. Is it A wonder That Israel was All but destroyed and only a remnant left.
Now Christianity is being bombarded by other religions trying to Mislead Christians into looking on other gods made of men and possessed by devils and Christianity faces the same fate. You may give off the line oh God would never
destroy man for turning their backs on him. I say Look at the flood, Look at Israel,
Christianity is that which has been Grafted in to the original. And It can pay the prices as well for disobedience. And will. God is looking for Those whose hearts Cling to Him.
CHOOSE YOU THIS DAY
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| Apr 13 @ 10:24 AM |
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12knots
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God instructed Israel to destroy all of the enemy the idols and religions were not meant to taint the truth. but Israel disobeyed and it was the reason for their being sold of into slavery and being carried off to Babylon.
NOT a loving God. Rather EVIL for sure! NO love, compassion and wisdom at all.
Here oh Israel the lord our God is one God.
Monopolization, domination and abolishment of all other that conflict. NASTY STUFF!
I can only expect you to scream about God Knotty
Of course he is evil is God. You tell me so.
Your false doctrine would have been destroyed under his laws.
Thought God created everything.
from the time of Gideon through the kings . such as Josiah, and Hezekiah
the alters were periodically torn down and the priests slain in these times of obedience those who followed Gods will were blessed. man kept turning to idol worship. even to Mo lech and Ashtoroth who they sacrificed their children to.
from groves with idles cut into the face of trees to pray to. Is it A wonder That Israel was All but destroyed and only a remnant left.
More Godly death and destruction of innocent women and children sick and the poor. Wonderful God you got. Sounds more like the devil incarnate to me.
Now Christianity is being bombarded by other religions trying to Mislead Christians into looking on other gods made of men and possessed by devils and Christianity faces the same fate.
Well you talking crap here but we can see why people turn away from YOUR God. He is absolutely evil!.
Yep, Christianity will die a death one day as all things do.
You may give off the line oh God would never
destroy man for turning their backs on him. I say Look at the flood, Look at Israel,
Christianity is that which has been Grafted in to the original. And It can pay the prices as well for disobedience. And will. God is looking for Those whose hearts Cling to Him.
No, God destroys everything else. A jealous God right? Mean and evil God, right? Kills and destroys the innocent, women, children, sick and poor. causes genocide and sickness. disease of body and mind.
Your God is nothing more than the cause of Evil.
CHOOSE YOU THIS DAY
Thanks, you have just reinforced it!
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| Apr 13 @ 11:27 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Monopolization, domination and abolishment of all other that conflict.
Up to, and including, the pantheon from which Yahweh emerged. (Cite) Yahweh was used by the ruling classes to suppress the matriarchal, polytheistic society which was practiced by the majority of the Israelites at around 1000 B.C.
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| Apr 13 @ 12:17 PM |
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uncrazy
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The ideas of the church as a mother aspect and the bride of Christ show where the christian father's shifted the feminine aspects to an institution run by males.
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| Apr 13 @ 3:18 PM |
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uncrazy
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I found this in a book..naming it will enrage some, usually those who read only the critique from others...still, it is a brilliant collection of ideas in a single paragraph. I offer it for its simple beauty.
This book is decried as false using a battery of logic, yet it has over 1600 page of information on the life of Jesus, and declares over and over his role on earth, but because it does not match all of the existing inerrant doctrine it is deemed false.
Its called the Urantia Book and I share this paragraph because it seems like what a christian might say, especially a fundamentalist, to decribe their religion.
The teachings of Jesus constituted the first Urantian religion which so fully embraced a harmonious co-ordination of knowledge, wisdom, faith, truth, and love as completely and simultaneously to provide temporal tranquillity, intellectual certainty, moral enlightenment, philosophic stability, ethical sensitivity, God-consciousness, and the positive assurance of personal survival. The faith of Jesus pointed the way to finality of human salvation, to the ultimate of mortal universe attainment,
The high quality of content in this paragraph will likely be called heresy and its source will be discredited.
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| Apr 13 @ 5:01 PM |
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Haban3ro
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I see stop signal though...The Messiah was to come from the line of Judah and not to come from the line of Israel. Jesse, David and Solomon was from the line of Judah; the royal line of kings. Yes, yes, yes...enthusiasm showing here... is this the place where on the Isrealite side we have the priest line coming down from Aaron, but in the line from Judah, I can find connects from Judah to Pharez to Hezron...then the OT seems to miss generations then picks up at Caleb, to Hur, to Uri, to Bezaleel whose daughter is wife to Salma/Salmon, then we lose 4 generations and it looks like they birthed Boaz, that took us to Obed, Jesse, and David. Somehow, and I don't understand yet how or where, I think we will find the Isrealite line reconnecting to the Judah line prior to David...this may have been in the years not covered by the OT...might find them with more digging in the Egyptian history.
Hold the phone for a minute... 
Has it slipped your minds that Jacob was renamed Israel after he "wrestled with the Angel of the LORD"? Israel/Jacob was Judah's daddy.
The line of Judah IS the line of Israel.
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| Apr 13 @ 6:48 PM |
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Angel54214
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Haban...no it hasn't slipped my mind, I just didn't go into the details for it would have been lengthy. Thank you for your kind words in reflection. 
Jacob had 4 wives, Leah, Bilhah, Zilpah and Rachel which 12 sons he begat and became the 12 tribes. Judah was the fourth son of Leah,wich she was 1st cousin to Jacob, then later Judah became known as the tribe of Judah. Judah was not of Israelite purity stock; he was from a melting pot of Kenites, Kenizzites, and Jerahmeelites. Judah became the leading tribe of the Kingdom of Judah and were rulers. Israel stayed as Kingdom of Israel.
The Blessings to Judah from his Father Jacob before he died:
Gen. 29:
8 Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father’s children shall bow down before thee.
9 Judah is a lion’s whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?
10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
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| Apr 13 @ 7:04 PM |
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uncrazy
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Habon,
Yes I remember Judah name change...but wasn't there a clearer distictions between Isrealites and Hebrews then...proceeding from two tribes. The distinctions they took for granted confuse me when I look at the linages 3000 years later.
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| Apr 13 @ 9:13 PM |
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Angel54214
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Uncrazy...from my understanding of their history, when the Hebrews of the Kingdom of Israel fell into the hands and under exile of the Assyrians in 722 B.C. and the Kingdom of Judah fell into the hands and under exile of Babylon (King Nebuchadnezzar II) in 586 B.C., during their lengthy time of captivities, they became Jews.
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| Apr 13 @ 9:23 PM |
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uncrazy
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Angel54,
And didn't the Judaites and the Hebrews come from different area in the Levant?
Was this where the Sadducees and Pharisees originate, from the two different captivities?
I read somewhere that there were 4 subsets of Jews, the two above plus the Theraputae and the Essenes, although the last two were less political.
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| Apr 13 @ 9:36 PM |
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uncrazy
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Angel 54,
I read of the Thera volcano of the island of Crete, whose explosion was greater than Krakatowa's. It exploded around 1600BC and the event is recorded in the history of China as happening in their estimate of 1618BC. Have you seen any references to it in the OT? I did find one note that the eruption occurred in the Hyksos period, but as the Hyksos were called the sheperd kings...I see a possible link to the Semetic and Sumerian cultures. Even if they had no written language until the 1200BC, I'd think the Egyptians would have documented something.
An eruption in the Mediterranean basin could not have been missed in the Levant, especially if it is noted in China.
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| Apr 13 @ 9:55 PM |
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Angel54214
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Good questions Uncrazy...I enjoy them and always look forward to exercise my mind.
And didn't the Judaites and the Hebrews come from different area in the Levant?
Back in the days of Joshua, the Jebusites were inhabitants of Jeruselem. The Judaites could not drive them out due to an oath between Abraham and their founding Father and King of these people, Abimelech. I forget what that oath was, but will research later. Joshua had slewed this King at the time he also slewed the King of Ai and the King of Jericho. The Jebusites mingled in with the bloodline of the Judaites. I don't know how long in time the Jebusites stayed in Jeruselem though.
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| Apr 13 @ 10:19 PM |
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Angel54214
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Was this where the Sadducees and Pharisees originate, from the two different captivities?
Not sure how much I can give on this question because there is a lot of history to these 2 sects.
Pharisees: (meaning Separate)
The Pharisees origin arised as a separate jewish movement some time during the rein, (I believe was Epiphanes) during the Seleucid Empire and the second temple era. They were a political and social party for sure. The Pharisees also had their own school of thought in the first century. They were known for "change"; changing laws and ordinances by their authority rule over the Jews. Thousands of them were crucified on a couple of occasions in their history.
Sadducees: (meaning Righteous)
Also a separate jewish movement that arrived much earlier; they were followers of the High Priest of Solomon, I think his name was Zadok (?). A priestly group that served in the temple. During Epiphanes rein, the Sadducees made allowance for worship of is idols and sacrifices to them by the Jews in the temple. They too also had their own school of thought.
Sadducees had different beliefs than the Pharisees in their religions. Sadducees did not believe in life after death as the Pharisees did. They did not believe in a soul or in a resurrection. The Sadducees from what I have studied, did not last beyond the first century to far.
The book of Maccabees is great referrence to these sects, especially the Pharisees. Some information came to light about them as well as the Sadducees and Essenes in the dead sea scrolls.
Interest: I have ventured into the Berber's, which I am learning about these people that also mingled in the Jewish bloodline.
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| Apr 13 @ 10:32 PM |
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Angel54214
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Angel Some of the names in cains blood line and seths are the same and some simular. yet their are differences. notice in cains line the father of lamach was Mathusael
Hunt, yes I have known this in the similarities, but the generation names have no connection. This is due to the generation number count between Cain and Seth as well as the ages.
Cains geneology line in the bible does not state that they died, but Seth's geneology line does.
Through out the O.T. there are many many similarities in names and many the same, but were different people as well as different centuries and locations.
During the time of Jesus, his name was very popular as well as John's and James among others.
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| Apr 13 @ 10:40 PM |
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hunt4luv
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The Flood took care of any of Cains Blood line Angel. Noah was decended from seth.
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| Apr 13 @ 10:50 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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No interbreeding of the two bloodlines?
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| Apr 13 @ 10:52 PM |
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Angel54214
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The Flood took care of any of Cains Blood line Angel. Noah was decended from seth.
I use to think that way until I studied more deeply. Noah came through the bloodline of Seth, not Cain. But there were the wives aboard the ark and what bloodline were they from?
Remember there were Giants (mighty men) before the flood and after the flood.
Also in Matthew 24-25, Jesus tells us that during the flood many were "taken away", then he goes on to tell us the prophesy what will happen during the Jewish-Roman revolt, which also signifies the end of time where there are 2; how one will be "taken away" and the other left.
Some times we forget that Jesus spoke spiritual as well as corpreal.
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| Apr 13 @ 11:17 PM |
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hunt4luv
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I understand their wives bloodlines are not recorded.
I also Think their is more to the sons of god seeing the fairness of the daughters of men that attributes to the giants. yet we know only that these things are possibilities not fact so We cant really do more then assume when it comes to mixed blood.
Yet If we want to look at mixed blood look at Ruth Davids grandmother,
Bathsheba solomon's mother.
Rebbecca come out of syria. Laban the Syrian was her father. ?
The deeper one digs the more we find mixed blood.
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