| Apr 13 @ 11:20 PM |
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SunBabe
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Hey, stop reading things into the Bible that aren't there. If it wasn't recorded, it either didn't happen or God doesn't want you to know about it. 
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| Apr 13 @ 11:34 PM |
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Angel54214
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Sun, if your post was directed to Hunt, I don't mind his post at all. He does bring up biblical scredenza's without posting the actual scriptures, which I have no problem with those. Any personal attacks I receive, I will ignore. Hunt has never lowered himself towards me in that form, so everything is cool.
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| Apr 13 @ 11:37 PM |
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kattsmeow
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also Think their is more to the sons of god seeing the fairness of the daughters of men that attributes to the giants. yet we know only that these things are possibilities not fact so We cant really do more then assume when it comes to mixed blood.
I use common sense on this one.
Angels are "creatures or beings" that God made. These Angels did not have bodies as we know it.
Which brings me to think, if Angels do not have a human body, how can they have sex with human women?
No, Satan is not powerful enough to change these beings into human form to make babies either. Remember, satan can only do what God lets him.
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| Apr 13 @ 11:52 PM |
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Angel54214
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Katt...I never thought "Rosemary's Baby" was a true story 
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| Apr 13 @ 11:53 PM |
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kattsmeow
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 Thats a good one! I forgot about that movie. ~~shudder~~
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| Apr 14 @ 1:23 AM |
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Angel54214
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Hunt...
I also Think their is more to the sons of god seeing the fairness of the daughters of men that attributes to the giants. yet we know only that these things are possibilities not fact so We cant really do more then assume when it comes to mixed blood.
This what I understand of the "Sons of God and Daughters of Men"
Gen. 6:
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
In chapters 4 & 5, is told the generations of Cain and Seth. Lamech from the line of Cain; the great great grandson, committed the first recorded polygamy. Incest also had been taken place since Cain and Seth were born. By now, the birth defects were starting to take effect in the later generations.
Sons of God:
Seth's first son Enos, by his faith and partaker of God's grace, called upon the Lord, which from the scripture below tells us beginning with Enos became a Son of God...
Gen. 4:
26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD. In above scripture; here lies a definate distinction from children of men.
We also know that Cain through his sin of murder, was driven out of Eden. The canon bible does not say at this early state where Seth settled; but outside the bible canon in the Arabic literature, is said that after his Mother and Father (Adam and Eve) died, he settled in Mount Hermon where he buried his parents, and in the valley below where Abel was slained, is where Cain and his desendants settled.
So the Sethites fell in love with the Cainite women cause of their beauty and married them. A love story huh? But they were the daughters of these Nephilims/Giants.
So the giants or sometimes called in other bible translations, the Nephilim (means to fall). These were not fallen Angels as in spirits like some believe; they were actual men, which were few in number resulting from incest which by this time and just before, showed the defect birth signs of it. The O.T. later tells of these first born Nephilim/Giants; who they were and how mighty they were in strength, etc. Another day I can post those scriptures as well.
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| Apr 14 @ 1:39 PM |
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hunt4luv
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I have to disagree on this one . Katts what of the angels of the lord that came to abrahams tent. They had bodily form.
Who did Jacob wrestle with. It wasnt thin air. I beleive angels probably have the ability to take a bodily form if they wish. they arent bound by the same rules of nature we are.
We are told to help others in need that some have entertained angels in this fashion. Angels in Human form I would Assume.
It is the only sound assumption.
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| Apr 14 @ 1:46 PM |
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sail_dancer
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It is the only sound assumption.
Peace
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| Apr 14 @ 1:56 PM |
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kattsmeow
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Taking human form is different than actually having all the parts of a human.
Plus, these Angels were of God.
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| Apr 14 @ 2:10 PM |
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12knots
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Every religion and system has Angels.
Some religions believe they are of god. Others know who and what they are as beings.
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| Apr 14 @ 3:37 PM |
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Angel54214
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Hunt...here is a link to a paper on Angels that will help answer a lot of your questions.
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-acb/acb-t005.html
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| Apr 14 @ 3:45 PM |
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kattsmeow
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Sons of God” is clearly used of angels in Job 38:7. The Septuagint (LXX) here translates “sons of God” as “angels of God.” This need not mean that evil angels, or demons, actually cohabited with women—Jesus made it clear that angels do not engage in sexual activities, at least not angels in heaven (Matthew 22:30). Nevertheless, evil angels on earth could have used the bodies of ungodly men, by demonic possession, to achieve their evil purpose of producing an evil generation of people (Genesis 6:12).[2]Bible scholars such as H.C. Leupold believe that the “sons of God” were descendants of Seth, the godly line who are detailed in the preceding chapter (Genesis 4:25-5:32). Leupold wrote, “But who were these ‘sons of God’? Without a shadow of a doubt, the Sethites.”[3] In this view, the descendants of Seth became wayward and married the “daughters of men” indiscriminately, basing their choice only on appearance, without concern for godliness, and the nephilim were their offspring.
Rulers in ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia often proclaimed themselves as “sons of God” to enhance their power and prestige. So, another view with much support is that the “sons of God” were power-hungry rulers and despots, who, in their hunger for power and influence, took many wives in polygamy. They, and their offspring, through tyranny, became “mighty men.” (Nimrod was described as a “mighty one” in Genesis 10:8.)
Angel, what a wonderful site! Thank you. 
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| Apr 14 @ 4:36 PM |
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hunt4luv
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Katts All I can do is post whats in the bible. If you want to throw away facts and hold to opinions that's your choice. That's why their are so many bent teachings today.
Angel the very first verse on giving and taking in marriage is referring to. IN HEAVEN Its speaking of humans not being married in heaven and compares them to angels IN HEAVEN
The connection referred to with sons of God looking on daughters of men didn't happen in heaven.
Katts your assumption that angels could have bodily parts but not reproductive parts is groundless. Its holding to an opinion. We Can all be wrong.
Angel sorry but I cant use Arabic history to Form Bible Opinion. especially on points that really have very little importance on Christianity. I still believe the Sons of God were a part of the reason for giants. Otherwise I can't see the point of mentioning this passage of scripture.
[Edited on 4/14/2008 4:50 PM]
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| Apr 14 @ 4:43 PM |
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12knots
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Katts All I can do is post whats in the bible. If you want to throw away facts and hold to opinions thats your choice. Thats why their are so many bent teachings today.
See, Hunt, you started getting into a decent debate and then you go and ruin it. YOUR ridiculous judgment of others and your "know it all" attitude.
It makes me laugh but you arent even qualified to know "so many bent teachings today."
Name them. lets have a debate on them.
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| Apr 14 @ 4:43 PM |
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SunBabe
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All I can do is post whats in the bible. If you want to throw away facts and hold to opinions thats your choice. Thats why their are so many bent teachings today.
Yep, make sure you accept everything that's written in the Bible as an actual literal FACT -- and don't bother to research or educate yourself as to what scholars have shared throughout their studies of history, language, and humanity.
As I implied before, if it ain't written in the Bible, it ain't important or true. We weren't put on this earth to THINK, yanno. 
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| Apr 14 @ 4:54 PM |
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hunt4luv
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Knotty and Sun babe you work very hard to mix the perversion of other religions
into Christianity and blind people to Gods truth. I choose not to except those perversions.
Knotty Buddhism.
And any other religion that lifts up self and refuses to recognise the
God of all creation, is a perversion of Gods Truth. Period.
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| Apr 14 @ 4:59 PM |
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12knots
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Knotty and Sun babe you work very hard to mix the perversion of other religions
into Christianity and blind people to Gods truth. I choose not to except those perversions.
What are they, these "perversions"? You are big on judging and condemning yet you are very short on examples?
Knotty Buddhism.
And any other religion that lifts up self and refuses to recognise the
God of all creation, is a perversion of Gods Truth. Period.
See, complete and utter ignorance. Give an example where Buddhism lifts up self?
So, people who refuse are to be done what? Bomb them! Kill them because you sound like the fanatical IRA, Alkida, taliban and countless other evil religous groups.
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| Apr 14 @ 5:14 PM |
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SunBabe
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Hunt --
Yanno, Christians, Christianity, and most other religions have done quite well for themselves over the last 2000 years (and for some, a lot longer than that) without having to embrace your narrow-minded flavor of Chrisianity -- taken in comparison, one might say that your "flavor" is perverted from the way most Christians believe and act.
~sheesh~ I can't wait until you and your other +/-144,000 buds and budettes get rapturized and leave the rest of the world alone to live LIFE in peace, each to their own belief, whatever the form. 
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| Apr 14 @ 6:30 PM |
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hunt4luv
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Hate ta tell you this the 144,000 Are Jews
And once again I am definetly not a Jahovahs witness.
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| Apr 14 @ 6:34 PM |
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SunBabe
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Oh, so you don't believe in all that rapture stuff that's in the Christian Bible. OK.
Another thing a lot of Christians, except for you, have gotten wrong? 
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