| Apr 14 @ 6:44 PM |
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12knots
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Hunt, address my questions please.
You brought the subject up so do us the honour of elaborating what you mean.
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| Apr 14 @ 8:49 PM |
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kattsmeow
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No one on this earth will ever convince me that the "Sons of God", had sex with human women. Again, did you even read what the Bible says about Angels??
You want to put all the blame on satan. Well, most of the time he is sitting back laughing because he didn't think of it first! Humans did.
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| Apr 14 @ 9:33 PM |
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Angel54214
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Hunt, let's look at some other scriptures on Sons of God...
Luke 3:
38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
Luke 20:
34 And Jesus answered and said to them, "The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage.
35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage;
36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection."
John 1:
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
John 3:
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Remember the reason for the flood? Here is what God said was the reason...
Gen. 6:
So the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them. God did not say he was destroying angels or fallen angels that came as sons of God. God also did not repent of himself for creating angels.
What Satan said to Jesus in the wilderness...
Matt. 4:
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Nowhere in the N.T. does Jesus say or other scriptures say that angels multiply through the flesh of man.
Angels are Gods messengers. Jesus was made a little lower than the Angels.
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| Apr 14 @ 10:09 PM |
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Haban3ro
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Katts All I can do is post whats in the bible. If you want to throw away facts and hold to opinions that's your choice. That's why their are so many bent teachings today.[snip]
Katts your assumption that angels could have bodily parts but not reproductive parts is groundless. Its holding to an opinion. We Can all be wrong.
Hmmm...
I want to say this very carefully; a brother offended is harder to win than a fortified city.
Hunt, you have a strong faith in Christ, and a solid knowledge of Scriptures. You are also unafraid to let anything hold you back from proclaiming the truth of the gospel, and from admonishing and correcting error. these are good things, and I honor you for it.
But does it ever occur to you that in correcting and "teaching" Katt you may be stepping on my husbandly rights and privileges?
As I read the Bible, I see that I am to be Katt's primary teacher (1 Cor. 14:35 And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.), and that I stand in the same role of pastor and instructor to her that Jesus Christ performs for the Church (Ephesians 4: 11-15 and 5:22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.)
It is my role and privilege to be her spiritual guide, and I take it very seriously as we see in the following verses:
Col 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.
Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless.
As I sit working at home, and Katt encounters a topic or a thought that she's uncertain about, she shares it with me, especially as threads become thought provoking on this board. We may spend an hour or more talking out the implications of a particular idea, and searching the bible to see what it has to say on the subject. Katt is not shy about interrupting me, and it's one of the things I enjoy most about our life together.
So could you explain to me why your corrections and explanations directed to my wife should be any less offensive to us than the guys who send her mail saying, "I know what you need, baby, and you must not be getting it at home. So just let me give you what you're looking for."
I wanted to share my concern and my annoyance at your behavior before it goes too far. You have given offense, and I ask you to stop.
If you want to correct a thought in the abstract, go right ahead. Just don't point your comments at my wife, OK?
Let's not let this turn into a contest to see who has the biggest Concordance. 
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| Apr 14 @ 10:55 PM |
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hammertime
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Its good to know the dark ages are alive and well.... 
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| Apr 14 @ 11:08 PM |
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kattsmeow
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| Apr 14 @ 11:22 PM |
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Angel54214
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Angel the very first verse on giving and taking in marriage is referring to. IN HEAVEN Its speaking of humans not being married in heaven and compares them to angels IN HEAVEN
Hunt, if you would post the scripture that you are referring to, so I can understand what you mean.
The first marriage in the bible was the blessing of God and the joining of Adam and Eve. Notice below that Adam and Eve did not have a Father or Mother. God through this "first" marriage institution, would come the generations of Father Adam and Mother Eve...
Gen. 1:
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it;
Gen. 2:
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
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| Apr 15 @ 11:05 AM |
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hunt4luv
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Haben Thank you .
I would say perhaps then her husband might wish to look over her posts that
hold hands with false doctrine. I really wish you would make those corrections so I would not find her standing directly in opposition to me. I respond to what is put out their. If you feel her teaching is your responsibility then I wholeheartedly agree.
Her actions are as well when speeking out against those standing for truth.
I have no desire to offend. and Haben neither do I hold grudges. So I ask you please teach her well by all means see that she is rooted and grounded in the word of God. I really dont want to be found in opposition with anyone. I just stand for the truth. God bless you Haben
Angel I was refering to the link you provided on Angels.
Gods angels and the devils angels would not have been effected by the flood.
I dont see anywhere in scripture where it says Angels on earth could not reproduce. nor do I see anywhere It says they can. You and katts both said angels didnt have form. I gave you proof of javobs wrestling and the two abraham fed. angel This really isnt a topic worth seperating ourselves over or converting to buddhism over LOL your my freind and I Admire your
Research skills. God Bless you angel.
[Edited on 4/15/2008 11:14 AM]
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| Apr 15 @ 11:12 AM |
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yashaenka
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I think Hunt the opposition is solely targeted at your interpretations that do not stand up to truth. Everyone has their right to their own interpretations even if the disagree with yours!
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| Apr 15 @ 11:19 AM |
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hunt4luv
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Sorry Yeshanka your version of truth doesnt include the bible.
therefore it doesn't count in my world.
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| Apr 15 @ 11:21 AM |
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j_goose
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Hunt, that shows complete arrogance and lack of education.
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| Apr 15 @ 11:28 AM |
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Haban3ro
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Hunt, I believe I was perfectly clear in describing my position.
I am answerable to God for my wife's spiritual growth and development, and not to you. Last I heard, only Benedict XVI held himself to be the arbiter of all that is spiritually correct, and even he works in concert with teams of believing scholars to come to the conclusions he publishes. Who does your "peer review"?
Your response demonstrates a greater interest in establishing yourself as a teacher and arbiter than as someone who seeks to be guided and corrected by the Word of God. Now you direct me in how I am to deal with my wife.
This is an unconscionable and ugly interference in our marital life. Henceforth, we will ignore you and your posts, just as we laugh at and ignore the guys who come on to Katt in other venues.
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| Apr 15 @ 11:42 AM |
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j_goose
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Damn, Haban, you're sexy...... 
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| Apr 15 @ 11:59 AM |
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yashaenka
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Hunt, to understand things one must first have the knowledge about the subject known to be true other wise all else that follows is simple wishing and hoping that something is true.
You have neither the aptitude, nor education about the actual living history of those and earlier times to understand much of what the bible puts forth with it's many contradictions is but fables brought forward from more ancient times to spin the bible with some basis of acceptance.
When a person known as a layman makes interpretations the results are a layman's ignorant statements for he does not understand the entire context.
Haban3ro, others on here as well as myself are formally educated people who seek truth about all that came before so we discount your opinion and tragically feel sorry about your ignorance!
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| Apr 15 @ 1:20 PM |
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kattsmeow
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j_goose:
Damn, Haban, you're sexy......
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| Apr 15 @ 8:03 PM |
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BandTMom
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He's right!
And Hunt has shown his total ignorance for all to see once again.
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| Apr 16 @ 12:19 AM |
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hunt4luv
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Haben I have no intrest in lifting myself up or establishing myself as a teacher.
I do seek to honor God in standing on his word. I stand openly against that which
goes against Bible truth. Your wife chose to stand openly against truth and on more then one occasion while holding hands with those who openly stand against Christianity. All the while you set idly by saying nothing until she gets her feelings hurt after putting them out there.
Then you want to tell me her instruction is your business. I tell you I agree .Please do. Idon't need her in my face backing those who openly stand against Christianity. I stand for truth. Haben At least I stand. Look in the mirror and ask yourself If you do. Now you want to stand in opposition of those that represent truth. I cant worry about your pride Haben. All I can say is your wrong.
I don't play paddy cake with wishy washy doctrine you ought to know that by now.
If you don't want me responding to your wife's posts that go against bible and embrace opinion and even fictional horror writers for opinions of Christs childhood
Then I sugest not posting. I give honest responses. No I'm not perfect and Frankly am not impressed with education of men. Mine is of the spirit. God uses the simple to confound the wise. I stand for Jesus Haben so when you pit yourself against me Ask yourself who you stand in opposition to. I'm not your enemy
Your wife openly posts in these forums. She should be ready for what comes back.
You attacked me because I stood up when she was being wishy washy.
I say think of what you stand against before Going further with this.
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| Apr 16 @ 1:01 AM |
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sail_dancer
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Hunt,
You are full of yourself!
Peace
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| Apr 16 @ 1:19 AM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Then I sugest not posting. I give honest responses. No I'm not perfect and Frankly am not impressed with education of men. Mine is of the spirit. God uses the simple to confound the wise. I stand for Jesus Haben so when you pit yourself against me Ask yourself who you stand in opposition to. I'm not your enemy
Your wife openly posts in these forums. She should be ready for what comes back.
Once again, if you disagree with him, don't post.Standing against him is standing against Jesus...let's all kneel and bow to Hunt the all-knowing and infallible.
Oh, and please try reading through Haban's post again...I don't see a thing there about Katt's having a problem with what you posted, but Haban felt that you were infringing on his husbandly rights. You apparently feel yourself to be anointed over both of them. If you see yourself as the simple apppinted to confound the wise, you appear to most of us as just plain arrogant. When was that added as a christian virtue? I must have missed that one.
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| Apr 16 @ 5:56 AM |
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BandTMom
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let's all kneel and bow to Hunt the all-knowing and infallible.
I did in another thread.
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