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12knots
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It is interesting to see the perspectives on blind faith and what is known as absolute truth.
Blind faith is accepting without proofs that something is right or exists.
Absolute truth is where no matter what the circumstances a truth holds true based on its absolute. There is of cause relative truth, the truth recognized by the individual as being true to themselves, or collective relative truth where truth holds for a group. And, of course there is relative truth that fits "into" absolute truth.
Why do people insist on blind faith when absolute truth exists beyond all measure?
It puzzles me when it stares them in the face.
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| Apr 8 @ 3:26 PM |
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BandTMom
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What puzzles me is why some get angry when their blind faith is challenged or questioned.
Much of the time honest and sincere questions are considered "attacks" on faith when in reality their viewpoint is welcomed.
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| Apr 8 @ 3:41 PM |
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bevrice
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It only get aggravating because we have proof and most of the time our proofs are pooh-poohed or made light of.
Most every Christian has proof of the presence of the Lord in their life. We have answered prayers, miracles, His love and protection that surrounds us, the sure knowledge that He IS.
We cannot prove this to you because you have to experience it to know it.
We serve a Living God who arose from the dead and lives in us, and we know Him personally.
[Edited on 4/8/2008 3:43 PM]
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| Apr 8 @ 3:42 PM |
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BandTMom
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You have proof, but cannot prove it.
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| Apr 8 @ 3:50 PM |
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bevrice
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We don't have to prove it to anyone, you wouldn't believe it anyway. Most of us have recounted miracles that man nor physician couldn't have done for us.
You can believe what you choose to. We, as Christians, have absolute proof of the truth of God, we see His hand move in our lives daily. We KNOW Him personally. He have all the proof we need. For you to have that proof, you have to know Him, and I mean a spirit filled supernatural walk with Him, full of the Holy
Spirit and His revelation and power and in the gifts of the Spirit. That is up to you.
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| Apr 8 @ 3:57 PM |
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sail_dancer
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The snake oil saleswoman is back to the same old mumbo jumbo. 
Peace
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| Apr 8 @ 3:58 PM |
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BandTMom
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I have never asked you to prove it.
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| Apr 8 @ 4:24 PM |
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12knots
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It only get aggravating because we have proof and most of the time our proofs are pooh-poohed or made light of.
"Miracles" are no proof. Supernatural phenomena are no proofs. Infact, other religion corner the market far better and no God necessary.
Most every Christian has proof of the presence of the Lord in their life. We have answered prayers, miracles, His love and protection that surrounds us, the sure knowledge that He IS.
"Feeling better" and having spiritual "rapture" is very much explainable without religion of any sort.
We cannot prove this to you because you have to experience it to know it.
Would it occur that others maybe experiencing far greater things?
We serve a Living God who arose from the dead and lives in us, and we know Him personally.
Does this really make sense? "God" can be an excuse for anything really, especially the ignorance experienced and having to give it a label.
Isnt it far better to go beyond limited knowledges and learn what it is that you do experience? Personally I have no doubts that "events" can be experienced however, how one class to label them is a different thing. It is always best to seek the truth underlying phenomena that is easily explained by myths and fables rather than truth.
Surely?
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| Apr 8 @ 6:05 PM |
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bevrice
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I could tell you that water is wet or a stove is hot, and until you experienced it for yourself, you would never believe it nor know.
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| Apr 8 @ 6:11 PM |
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12knots
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water is only wet because you perceive it to be so. If it was the same body temperature you would not feel it so.
The stove may not be hot. Despite all this, it is only the sense organs that senses what it does and the conscious that perceives. You are only conditioned to perceive these things. "Conditioned"
All are labels.
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| Apr 8 @ 6:33 PM |
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bevrice
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I am a toucher, I learned by touching and finding out for myself.
By the way, it sure is good to be back home in Texas, knots. I sure missed it.
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| Apr 8 @ 6:39 PM |
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12knots
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Touch is only a mechanism of a sense organ Bev.
Hot down this 'ere parts of Texas at this moment.
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| Apr 8 @ 6:49 PM |
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bevrice
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But everyone's senses say that hot is hot and wet is wet.
I love to sense and feel and touch. That is what Jesus is all about, sensing, feeling, love. He is not abstract, but real.
It is a little warm here, too, have the ac on, but I do love Texas.
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| Apr 8 @ 6:59 PM |
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hammertime
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Jesus is character from a book who might have existed and might have been real but if he was, he's real dead now.
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| Apr 8 @ 7:03 PM |
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12knots
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But everyone's senses say that hot is hot and wet is wet.
If they learn it.
Better still what about the consciousness of touch?
I love to sense and feel and touch. That is what Jesus is all about, sensing, feeling, love. He is not abstract, but real.
Only in your mind Bev. It is what you have learnt from birth. Your senses have sense consciousness. It is indiscriminating. It senses hot and cold without judgment. Your touch consciousness only receives the information.
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| Apr 8 @ 7:51 PM |
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BandTMom
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How do we know something is hot?
When we are mere toddlers and touch a hot stove, how do we know that is hot?
It's because someone tells us it is hot. If no one tells us, then we would probably make up our own word for the sensation.
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| Apr 8 @ 7:57 PM |
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bevrice
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Our own word, mom, true, but the feeling would still be the same. "A rose by any other name, is still a rose."
Knots, no, it is a feeling I came to by myself, well, was between the Lord and me.
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| Apr 8 @ 8:04 PM |
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12knots
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Bev, a feeling is nothing more of something chemically communicated by a sense organ, then the consciousness of that sensory organ perceive it based on your history.
What you may perceive as holy and supernatural, to someone else is percieved as something else. What it really is begins with understanding beyond the concepts historically indoctrinated into you.
You think "God" and "Jesus" and that is what it will be. If you think "hallucination" and "dreams" then that is what it will be. BUT, if someone who knows better realises the truth behind it all because they have gone beyond the notion of illusions of what we perceive then that would be nearer the truth. THE truth.
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| Apr 8 @ 8:08 PM |
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bevrice
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Been there, done that, knots, remember. Wasn't the real thing. Jesus is the real thing.
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| Apr 8 @ 8:10 PM |
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12knots
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Your sentence is meaningless Bev.
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