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LanceVarden7
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Some folks think that following passage gives them the biblical right to judge others
Matthew 7
15. "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
16. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
17. Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
18. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
19. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
That deals having yourself beware of false leaders, and who not to follow. It is not about judging fellow Christians.
Here are some about judging;
James 4
11. Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it.
Matthew 7
1. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
2. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3. "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
Romans 2
1. You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.
1 Corinthians 4
3. I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself.
4. My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.
Luke 6
37. "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
Romans 14
4. Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
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| Apr 14 @ 2:11 PM |
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12knots
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| Apr 14 @ 10:51 PM |
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Angel54214
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I always remember this special scripture of what Jesus said...
~ Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment ~
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| Apr 15 @ 12:21 AM |
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steveemac
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It is not about judging fellow Christians. What about fellow human beings in general, even if they happen to be non-Christian?
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| Apr 15 @ 12:43 AM |
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Angel54214
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I don't know if this scripture will answer your question steve, but I will post it anyways...
1Cor. 6:
1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
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| Apr 15 @ 7:02 AM |
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bevrice
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Judging is a subject which many Christians like to avoid. When pressed to defend one's position, though, there often seems to be a distinct division–those who think no one should judge anyone else for any reason, and those who tend to pass judgment on everyone for everything. So which position is right, according to God's Word? Neither.
The fact is that Christians are not only permitted to judge, but in certain scriptures they are instructed to do so. However, there are restrictions on what and how we are to judge.
Opponents of Christians judging are quick to point out the "do not judge, or you too will be judged" scripture (Matthew 7:1; Luke 6:37), yet they either stop short of or fail to understand the meaning of Matthew 7:2 which continues, "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." So what does that mean?
Let's start with a good foundation for our understanding of judging. Our foundation is upon Jesus Christ. Jesus' purpose in coming into this world was for judgment (John 9:39). God the Father appointed Jesus as judge of the living and the dead (John 5:22, 27; Acts 10:42; Acts 17:31; 2 Timothy 4:1; 1 Peter 4:5). It is important to note that Jesus' judgment is just and right (John 5:30; John 8:16; Acts 17:31; 2 Thessalonians 1:5; 2 Timothy 4:8; Revelation 16:5, 7; Revelation 19:1-2). This is because Jesus doesn't judge arbitrarily; it is His Word which does the judging (John 12:47-48; Hebrews 4:12). God's Word further teaches that God doesn't judge by external appearance (Galatians 2:6) but that He judges each man's work impartially (1 Peter 1:17). And finally, we will all stand before the judgment seat of Christ (2 Corinthians 5:10; Hebrews 9:27; Hebrews 10:30; Jude 1:14-15). In summary, Jesus does the judging justly, impartially, and by His Word. And everyone, everyone will be judged by Jesus and the standard of His Word.
Now, let's return to the passage in Matthew 7:1-2. Since we know that we will be judged in the same way that we judge and with the same measure we use, and we also know that we will be judged and measured by God's Word, this passage means that we are permitted to judge by that which we find in God's Word. It is when we judge by other measures (opinions, wrong motives, erroneous information) that we end up in a lot of trouble. If we judge others with our opinions, with wrong motives, or by using erroneous information, then we can expect the same treatment from God. Boy, that should stop us in our tracks before judging, shouldn't it!?
However, we shouldn't be so fearful of judging wrongly that we fail to use common sense, decency, and a knowledge of God's Word to pass right judgment. This is what has happened to our country; we have been turning blind eyes to all of the sin around us for the sake of not judging so much that more and more souls are bound for hell everyday. Instead, we need to realize that God's Word does, indeed, give us guidelines for judging rightly against sin. Let's see what limits and qualifications God places on making a right judgment:
Use God's Word as the standard for judgment (John 12:47-48 and Hebrews 4:12 with Matthew 7:1-2).
Be sure you are not currently guilty of doing the same thing when you make the judgment (Romans 2:3; also see specific examples in Matthew 12:27; Luke 11:19; and Acts 23:3)
Do not judge by mere appearances (John 7:24)
Do not judge with discrimination (James 2:4)
Do not slander (James 4:11)
Do not pass judgment on disputable matters or those things on which the scriptures are not clear (Romans 14:1-4)
Judge with mercy (James 2:13)
Be willing to forgive (Luke 6:37)
In addition to the above guidelines, one of the most important things to remember is that we are only capable of judging the act. We are never to judge the intentions or motives of another person–to do so would be assuming the role that only Jesus can fill. In John 8:15, Jesus taught that we can only judge by human standards, and we could be wrong. Only Jesus can judge men's secrets (Romans 2:16). It is the Word of God which judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart (Hebrews 4:12). When the Lord returns, "He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts" (1 Corinthians 4:5). Therefore, we can see from these scriptures that only Jesus and His Word are qualified to judge intentions, motives, and attitudes. We are limited to judging the act itself.
We must realize that there are some things which can be judged now and some things which cannot be judged until later, for sometimes it takes time for certain sins to be revealed (1 Timothy 5:24).
Christians are specifically instructed to judge the actions of those within Christ's church (1 Corinthians 5:12-6:4). Not to do so results in much sin within the body of Christ. In fact, God's Word teaches, "The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment" (1 Corinthians 2:15).
The Bible gives some specific examples of things we can judge, so long as we follow the guidelines and limitations previously discussed. They include murder (Matthew 5:21), careless words spoken (Matthew 12:36), rebellion against authority (Romans 13:2), sexual immorality (1 Corinthians 5:3; Hebrews 13:4), and grumbling against each other (James 5:9).
[Edited on 4/15/2008 7:12 AM]
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| Apr 15 @ 7:11 AM |
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bevrice
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This list is certainly far from being all-inclusive. Any sinful act which is made clear in God's Word can and should be judged. Why? Why should Christians "stick out their necks" and judge others when Jesus will undoubtedly do it when He returns? Think about it. Do you truly care for others? Do you want them saved or condemned at that last day? If you rightly judge those sinful acts now, that gives the one who commits them the opportunity to be aware that the act is, indeed, sinful. This gives the offender the opportunity and choice of whether or not to continue sinning or to repent–the opportunity to choose between life and death. The purpose in judging isn't actually to condemn, it is to hopefully, eventually save!
Judging–is it right or wrong? Depending upon how it's done, it can be either right or wrong. There is a right way to judge, and that is according to the truth of God's Word, which is the same measure by which each of us will be judged when Jesus returns. Let's do our best to judge rightly in the hopes that others will also be ready for that final judgment.
http://userpages.bright.net/~1wayonly/judgingrightorwrong.html
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| Apr 15 @ 8:04 AM |
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sealacamp
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Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
Regardless of whom the focal point may be this applies to us all. We are called to inspect the fruit of ourselves and each other. But what is judged is the fruit not the person. Many can't make this distinction and that is where the problem lies.
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| Apr 15 @ 8:10 AM |
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LanceVarden7
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I think my favorite in the bunch is
1 Corinthians 4
3. I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself.
Some folks, who are very self-important, think they are authorized to go around judging, but mostly, other folks care very little about their judging.
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| Apr 15 @ 8:46 AM |
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bevrice
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Amen, seal.
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| Apr 15 @ 8:47 AM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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other folks care very little about their judging.
Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
That's not an admonition to judge, but to choose whose voice you'll listen to when people come to you speaking of the word of god. It was said that many would claim to have the truth, but by their fruit you will know them - that's still wide open to interpretation of course. What fruit? The feeling they evoike in you? Do they bring peace or dissension? Do they live their lives with charity (biblically, love) or do they hold themselves higher than others?
Just wondering.... 
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| Apr 15 @ 8:56 AM |
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bevrice
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Biblically, spiritually, the ones who care so little, simply don't care about others.
Any sinful act which is made clear in God's Word can and should be judged. Why? Why should Christians "stick out their necks" and judge others when Jesus will undoubtedly do it when He returns? Think about it. Do you truly care for others? Do you want them saved or condemned at that last day? If you rightly judge those sinful acts now, that gives the one who commits them the opportunity to be aware that the act is, indeed, sinful. This gives the offender the opportunity and choice of whether or not to continue sinning or to repent–the opportunity to choose between life and death. The purpose in judging isn't actually to condemn, it is to hopefully, eventually save!
A quote from my post.
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| Apr 15 @ 9:07 AM |
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hunt4luv
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Great post Bev. I agree Seal It is the Actions that are Judged.
We are also told to Judge ourselves so we won't have to be judged in that day.
The only standard we can safely judge ourselves by is the Word of God.
That is because that is the standard we will be judged by in that day.
Sadly The world has wriggled its way into the things that are meant to be of God. It has entered with Doctrines of demons and men with the intent of stealing away the truth From those who truly seek it.
Whenever those who truly love and stand for God speak out against the perversions and twisting of the Gospel , The world cries Foul and accuses one of Judging.
If I remain silent in the face of perversion of the Gospel I am as guilty of that act as the one I have refused to stand Against. By silence and cowardice
I can Give off the impression of acceptance of false doctrine.
The apostle Paul could make the statement that he made.
Because he was a truly righteous man Given over to the Holy spirit.
He had grown into the true meaning of we are called unto freedom.
what he spoke was not in defense of wickedness in his life.
Paul
. I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself.
[Edited on 4/15/2008 9:38 AM]
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| Apr 15 @ 9:10 AM |
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bevrice
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Amen, Hunt, that was a great post, thank you.
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| Apr 15 @ 9:11 AM |
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j_goose
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can someone please show me the validity of the bible?
If that can be done, there would be no need for religious debates, would there?
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| Apr 15 @ 9:18 AM |
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LanceVarden7
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That's not an admonition to judge, but to choose whose voice you'll listen to when people come to you speaking of the word of god. It was said that many would claim to have the truth, but by their fruit you will know them
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| Apr 15 @ 9:22 AM |
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bevrice
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It is the word that does the judging, and like Hunt said, if we judge ourselves, we won't be judged. So, if the word says that I am doing something wrong, I am going to judge myself accordingly and repent, and try to keep from doing it again.
That is why it is vital to have the Holy Spirit, He divides the word correctly so you can see which scriptures pertain to your situation and which ones don't, otherwise, a person is just going to be picking out all the scriptures and that makes it look like the Bible contradicts itself. It doesn't. The word has to be divided correctly.
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| Apr 15 @ 10:27 AM |
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LanceVarden7
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It is the word that does the judging, and like Hunt said, if we judge ourselves, we won't be judged. So, if the word says that I am doing something wrong, I am going to judge myself accordingly and repent, and try to keep from doing it again.
That is why it is vital to have the Holy Spirit, He divides the word correctly so you can see which scriptures pertain to your situation and which ones don't, otherwise, a person is just going to be picking out all the scriptures and that makes it look like the Bible contradicts itself. It doesn't. The word has to be divided correctly. Bev, had enough your judgements and condescending. You can "put it where the sun don't shine"
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| Apr 15 @ 10:47 AM |
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12knots
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Thank goodness for karma!
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| Apr 15 @ 10:48 AM |
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hunt4luv
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Don't feel bad Bev he told me the same thing in another thread. 
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