| May 11, 2008 @ 8:36 AM |
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12knots
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Within the past 2,000 years there hasnt been any progress in Christian ideology. On the contrary there has been nothing but blood spilled throughout history in the name of Christianity, Jesus and God.
Exactly what spiritual achievements has there been if any?
Why has it been doomed to failure? Personal development and discipline of mind. Unless one knows ones own mind and how to train the mind..... failure, just like the engine seizing without oil.... failure.
Spiritual development starts with the mind and not dogmatic regurgitating of lines of "because it says so."
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| May 11, 2008 @ 2:29 PM |
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Angel54214
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ANOTHER CHRISTIAN HATE THREAD....BYE!!
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| May 11, 2008 @ 3:06 PM |
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12knots
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And I thought this is a "Golden Opportunity" to prove otherwise. Guess I'm right all along *sigh. Wish I wasnt!
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| May 12, 2008 @ 8:37 AM |
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12knots
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Prime example why Christianity is doomed is by the actions of Christians with lack of compassion and wisdom.
They simply dont understand how love, compassion and wisdom works, so what to do about it?
Wake up call?
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| May 12, 2008 @ 8:56 AM |
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hammertime
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Christianity failed 2000 years ago when the gospels were first being written long after the mythical Jesus died. No one wrote a thing, not one single thing about Jesus when he was supposed to be alive. Even his big deal birth announced by a star of his arrival where the Magi traveled far yet no one wrote a thing about it.
The Gnostics were probably closer to anything authentic because of they were more honest about the evil god in the old testament and weren't afraid to say so. They also believed in a becoming as Christ which is considered heresy. Christianity is a state manufactured religion copied from pagan man-gods whom Jesus imitated.
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| May 12, 2008 @ 9:43 AM |
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eastham
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And I thought this is a "Golden Opportunity" to prove otherwise. Guess I'm right all along *sigh. Wish I wasnt!
Well, if this was truly your motivation, 12knots, perhaps you should have picked a better tag line.
With regard to your notion that Christianity will fail, because it does not focus on personal development and the discipline of the mind...
Personal development can be a force for good. It can also be a force for selfishness if it becomes internal focus to the exclusion of outward action. There is a very dangerous line between personal development and self absorption.
As to the discipline of the mind, there are many Christians throughout history for whom their faith and intellectual inquiry went hand in hand. Gallileo, despite his trial, never ceased to be an individual of faith. The "big bang" theory was first proposed by a Belgian monk. Certain orders, like the Jesuits, do not engage in the Benedictine marking of the hours, but rather focus their day on intellectual exercises. It is not a surprise, therefore, that the Jesuits are known for their institutions of higher learning nor that they were the weapon of choice in the Counter Reformation -- fight reason with reason.
In his book Anti-Intellectualism in American Life, Richard Hofstadter makes a fairly complex argument (unlike the blunt instrument here) that links anti-intellectualist tendencies inherent in America to "tendencies of thought" in evangelical and fundamentalist (two different things, by the way). The modern anti-intellectualism currently gripping the US is not exclusively a product of religion, but can be linked to populist movements, some of which were decidedly not religious.
Furthermore, it does not appear that anti-intellectualism is not exclusive to Christians. In his article, "Gerald Ford" the blogger behind The Level 8 Buddhist, explores the trends in anti-intellectualism seen in most modern and Western Buddhists. Here are his thoughts on the subject.
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| May 12, 2008 @ 9:53 AM |
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hammertime
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The problem is with the "Christian" self-designation. Its become meaningless since any of the followers of the tens of thousands of denominations can call themselves Christians. Can you compare Jesuits with the inbred toothless dimwitted snake handlers who drink rat poison? They both call themselves Christians.
However, if we were to focus on particular groups of Christians that would be the Evangelical Fundamentalists who are the most intellectually retarded.
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| May 12, 2008 @ 10:04 AM |
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sail_dancer
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The problem is with the "Christian" self-designation. Its become meaningless since any of the followers of the tens of thousands of denominations can call themselves Christians. Can you compare Jesuits with the inbred toothless dimwitted snake handlers who drink rat poison? They both call themselves Christians. I have to agree with Hammer on this one eastham. What you say is true but I do not see it in the majority of christians and the dogma they preach.
Peace
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| May 12, 2008 @ 10:24 AM |
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hammertime
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Lets not forget the battles Christians have among themselves. The religious wars, etc. It continues in academia.
Ken Miller is a Catholic and one of the biggest opponents against intelligent design. I enjoy his lectures very much...
If you have 2 hours to kill watching a debate you can watch him tear apart ID.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg
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| May 12, 2008 @ 10:30 AM |
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eastham
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That may be true, however, it is more than time for those individuals who do consider themselves to be Christian to take back our good name. Frankly, everyone is asking the Muslims to do it why not us.
I would caution the use of the term evangelical fundamentalists. There are fundamentalists who are not evangelicals and vice versa. For example, Jehovah's Witnesses who evangelize, but are not fundamentalist Christians (actually some fundamentalists who argue they are not Christians at all). You have some evangelicals, such as some Baptists and Methodists, who see little conflict between science, other learning and religious thought. You could put people like Jimmy Carter into this category.
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| May 12, 2008 @ 11:07 AM |
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sail_dancer
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That may be true, however, it is more than time for those individuals who do consider themselves to be Christian to take back our good name. Frankly, everyone is asking the Muslims to do it why not us.
I'm with you east!
  
Peace
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| May 12, 2008 @ 11:12 AM |
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sail_dancer
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East,
You could put people like Jimmy Carter into this category. I had the opportunity to have a casual lunch with Jimmy, Rosiland, his son and daughter-in-law when I was living in Bermuda. So I can confirm your statement. They are very special people and I will never forget my discussions with them.
Peace
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| May 12, 2008 @ 11:25 AM |
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Thor1960303
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Actually I was going to say that Christianity was a success.It was an invention of the Roman Empire to unify the Pagan religions so as to establish a state religion in an effort to keep the Empire together.I would say with the establishment of the Holy Roman Empire which led to the formation of the RC church,it gave us the Crusades and the Inquisition.The old Pagan religions faded out to a mere shadow of what they were and Christianity became a contending force and a tool for the governement.To that end it succeded and is still succeeding today with the number of idiots that keep it in power.Witness what we see with the likes of John Hagee and his ilk throwing their weight ( and Hagee has plenty of that)around world political circles and it shows that Christianity succeeded in what it's original aim was.
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| May 12, 2008 @ 12:09 PM |
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12knots
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Great post east.
The Tag has to give a vroooooom! 
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| May 21, 2008 @ 9:32 AM |
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Thor1960303
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No religion necessarily has to be a failure if their scriptures are interpreted allegorically instead of literally.If the teachings inspire people to be better,then the faith can be successful.When it is literally interpreted and everything else outside of it's myopic belief system becomes "heresy",then faith becomes dogma and nothing good can come from it.
I don't need to go over the laundry list of nasties that have been inspired by dogmatically enforced,literally interpreted religion.It's pretty obvious to anyone with a brain.
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| May 21, 2008 @ 9:58 AM |
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1RockinDude
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I think they have been more wars started..by just then Christians. The radical Muslim doesnt care what you are, or what you are not..Im talking about current times..not 2000 years ago.
[Edited on 5/21/2008 11:50 AM]
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| May 27, 2008 @ 10:26 PM |
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16knots
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Unfortunately the scriptures have so many errors in them as in contradictions, lies and hearsay, it is left to individuals to interpret or "leaders" to take advantage off them. This is what has happened.
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| Jun 3, 2008 @ 6:58 PM |
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hammertime
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Another reason for its failure is its reliance on scripture predating modern history. What happened? God died and nothing new was written? How come this isn't a religion of a living god but a dead one? After all, its symbol is of a dead man on a cross. That has to be a clue right there. Why choose a symbol of a dead man anyway? Where is the life in that? It seems the life is in the death itself. Its a death cult worshiping death as the reward for salvation. All promises are delivered after you're dead. Life is something to put up with meanwhile and death is something to look forward too. This is true as we have seen Christians, one in particular, show a love of death by advising someone who thought they were dying that as long as they are Christian they shouldn't worry about it instead of showing concern for the real problem and urgency. This was seen as a opportunity to glorify a death cult.
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| Jun 3, 2008 @ 10:13 PM |
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j_goose
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http://www.jaggle.nl/index.php/site/comments/jezus_vs_transformers/
Because of people like this
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| Jun 4, 2008 @ 9:02 PM |
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16knots
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As another day draws to a close we see less Christians able to support their dogma. More cracks are showing up in their so called "knowledge" of bible studies.
So much evasion of truth, denial of Biblical statements and more delusions surfacing to meet its fiery death amongst the wise and logical.
*sigh! 
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