| May 14 @ 9:48 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Don't you even read the things I post Sail_Dancer?
After I posted Matthew 6:6, Jesus speaking, "Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." If you had read that particular verse, spoken by Jesus; I am not able to understand how in your following post you could write, "Prayer is putting yourself in a state where you are at one with god. Not to ask favors but to be awakened to things you currently are ignorant about." I completely agree with you in that getting things for ourselves is not the central purpose of prayer.
But prayer is the means through which we communicate with our heavenly Father in a more structured manner.
We agree that He knows what we need even before we ask,
But God takes delight in prayer. Proverbs 15:8--"The Lord detests the sacrifice of the wicked, but the prayer of the upright pleases Him."
He enjoys hearing from us when we are filled with praise + thanksgiving.
Beginning in 1Thessalonians 5:16--"Be joyful always; 17--pray continually; 18--give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus."
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| May 14 @ 10:15 PM |
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sail_dancer
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SOC,
Reread my posts. I have already answered your questions.
I tried my best to explain why christians misuse prayer. In doing so I asked you a number of questions which you have yet to answer.
Peace
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| May 14 @ 11:39 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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"Pray for those who persecute you". (From Matt. 5:44.)
I believe this is of similar meaning to Proverbs 25, beginning in verse 21--"If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat; if he is thirsty, give him water to drink. 22--In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head, and the Lord will reward you." And again this is used in Romans 13. Beginning in verse 9, "Love must be sincere: Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. 10--Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honour one another above yourselves. 11--Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. 12--Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. 13--Share with God's people who are in need. Practice hospitality. 14--Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15--Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. 16--Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited. 17--Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. 18--If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19--Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: 'It is mine to avenge; I will repay', (Deut. 32:35) says the Lord. 20--On the contrary: 'If your enemy is hungry, feed him: if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.' (Proverbs 25:21, 22) 21--Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good."
So I believe that the verse you quoted advises us to overcome evil with good.  This is often an extremely difficult thing to do. The walk of a spirit-filled, obedient Christian is not a simple one. (As some would have you believe.)
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| May 14 @ 11:57 PM |
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sail_dancer
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SOC,
"If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat; if he is thirsty, give him water to drink. 22--In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head, and the Lord will reward you." I'm sure all your nonchristian friends appreciate the fact that everytime you treat them as friends, you are heaping burning coals on their heads and by doing so you are receiving rewards from your God. 
With friends like you, who needs enemies!
I can't stop laughing!
Peace
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| May 15 @ 12:17 AM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Sail_Dancer, why do you laugh like a silly man? Evidently you do not understand what you are laughing about?
I'm not the one trying to show you up here.
A person who is an un-Believer is not my enemy. I have many un-Believing friends.
I believe that here we are being told that when we are kind to people who are not nice to us, we cause them to feel extremely uncomfortable. Primarily because they feel pretty bad about being treated nicely by someone they haven't been nice to.
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| May 15 @ 11:40 AM |
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hammertime
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And that equates to throwing burning coals on their heads. I gots to laugh too...
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| May 15 @ 3:57 PM |
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Angel54214
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Actually hammer, the fiery coals goes back to the origins of the tabernacle. The coals were set on the altar before the Holy of Holies as the guilt offering for the repenance of the people from their sins. There's much more I could expand, but have to go to work.
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| May 15 @ 4:11 PM |
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hammertime
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Can you expand on the part where the coals get thrown on their heads? I'm guessing this was an inspiration to Inquisition torture. Coals were used a lot.
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| May 18 @ 12:36 AM |
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12knots
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Num 9:15
1 On 2 the day that the tabernacle was set up, 3 the cloud 4 covered the tabernacle – the tent of the testimony 5 – and from evening until morning there was 6 a fiery appearance 7 over the tabernacle.
Num 9:16
This is the way it used to be continually: The cloud would cover it by day, 1 and there was a fiery appearance by night.
Deu 33:2
He said:The Lord came from Sinai and revealed himself 1 to Israel 2 from Seir. He appeared in splendor 3 from Mount Paran, and came forth with ten thousand holy ones. 4 With his right hand he gave a fiery law 5 to them.
2Sa 22:9
Smoke ascended from 1 his nose; 2 fire devoured as it came from his mouth; 3 he hurled down fiery coals. 4
2Ki 2:11
As they were walking along and talking, suddenly a fiery chariot 1 pulled by fiery horses appeared. 2 They went between Elijah and Elisha, 3 and Elijah went up to heaven in a windstorm.
Psa 18:8
Smoke ascended from 1 his nose; 2 fire devoured as it came from his mouth; 3 he hurled down fiery coals. 4
Psa 18:12
From the brightness in front of him came hail and fiery coals. 1
Psa 21:9
You burn them up like a fiery furnace 1 when you appear; 2 the Lord angrily devours them; 3 the fire consumes them.
Psa 140:10
May he rain down 1 fiery coals upon them! May he throw them into the fire! From bottomless pits they will not escape. 2
Jer 5:14
Because of that, 1 the Lord, the God who rules over all, 2 said to me, 3 “Because these people have spoken 4 like this, 5 I will make the words that I put in your mouth like fire. And I will make this people like wood which the fiery judgments you speak will burn up.” 6
Jer 6:29
The fiery bellows of judgment burn fiercely. But there is too much dross to be removed. 1 The process of refining them has proved useless. 2 The wicked have not been purged.
Eze 28:14
I placed you there with an anointed 1 guardian 2 cherub; 3 you were on the holy mountain of God; you walked about amidst fiery stones.
Zep 1:18
Neither their silver nor their gold will be able to deliver them in the day of the Lord’s angry judgment. The whole earth 1 will be consumed by his fiery wrath. 2 Indeed, 3 he will bring terrifying destruction 4 on all who live on the earth.” 5
Zep 3:8
Therefore you must wait patiently 1 for me,” says the Lord, “for the day when I attack and take plunder. 2 I have decided 3 to gather nations together and assemble kingdoms, so I can pour out my fury on them – all my raging anger. For 4 the whole earth will be consumed by my fiery anger.
Mat 5:22
But I say to you that anyone who is angry with a brother 1 will be subjected to judgment. And whoever insults 2 a brother will be brought before 3 the council, 4 and whoever says ‘Fool’ 5 will be sent 6 to fiery hell. 7
Mat 13:42
They will throw them into the fiery furnace, 1 where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:50
and throw them into the fiery furnace, 1 where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 18:9
And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter into life with one eye than to have 1 two eyes and be thrown into fiery hell. 2
Rev 1:14
His 1 head and hair were as white as wool, even as white as snow, 2 and his eyes were like a fiery 3 flame.
Rev 2:18
“To 1 the angel of the church in Thyatira write the following: 2 “This is the solemn pronouncement of 3 the Son of God, the one who has eyes like a fiery flame 4 and whose feet are like polished bronze: 5
Careful Hammer.... it all sounds very loving, compassionate and wisdom
So much for a loving God and Lord! 
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| May 18 @ 1:02 AM |
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Angel54214
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Ignorance for those that do not understand
Just like you tell us about the mantras. Same difference!
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| May 18 @ 1:09 AM |
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12knots
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Just like you tell us about the mantras. Same difference!
Th isnt true.
There is no "sameness." 
The scripture above is quite clear.
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| May 18 @ 1:13 AM |
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Angel54214
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The scripture above is quite clear.
The scriptures you quoted are all messed up! They don't even match in numbering.
What's an angel to do with you knotty. 
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| May 18 @ 1:17 AM |
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12knots
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The verses are all referenced
Going to bed.... busy day tomorrow.... or later 
Nighty night.
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| May 18 @ 1:27 AM |
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Angel54214
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Night knotty...sleep well 
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| May 18 @ 1:41 AM |
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Angel54214
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Can you expand on the part where the coals get thrown on their heads? I'm guessing this was an inspiration to Inquisition torture. Coals were used a lot. Sorry hammer...I didn't view your post until now. The fiery coals on the head is just a metaphor; it's the meaning of the metaphor that brings the understanding. In this particular scripture where it was used, the meaning represents the burning of the mind to it's purest form of goodness from it's corrupted form of sin or bad doings if you will.
The metaphor justifies the action of unrighteousness and therefore guilt becomes the burning fire of the mind, thus the healing processing is kindling. Like I mentioned previously about the fiery coals on the altar before the veil of the holy of holies in the tabernacle that the high Levi priest offers to God for the guilty in remission of sins of the Hebrew Israelites.
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| May 24 @ 8:07 PM |
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16knots
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Christianity.... those who shout loudest haver nothing to say.
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| May 24 @ 8:13 PM |
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BandTMom
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What???
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| May 24 @ 9:24 PM |
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16knots
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Oh go back to your meditating mom and stop making a noise.
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| May 24 @ 9:25 PM |
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BandTMom
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I couldn't hear you over all the shouting.
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| May 24 @ 9:40 PM |
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Angel54214
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Did knotty say something important and I missed it?
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