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BandTMom
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It's all important.
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| May 24 @ 9:59 PM |
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16knots
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Say nothing, understand more.
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| May 25 @ 9:52 AM |
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sail_dancer
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Knots,
Say nothing, understand more.
Well christians "say nothing" but "understand less".
Wonder why?
Peace
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| May 25 @ 10:27 AM |
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hammertime
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Sorry hammer...I didn't view your post until now. The fiery coals on the head is just a metaphor; Of course its a metaphor. Thats the point, its all metaphor. Does anyone consider the rising from the dead a metaphor too? Eve made from rib a metaphor? Walking on water a metaphor? Actually that last one is a reference to the sun, not the son.
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| May 25 @ 10:40 AM |
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sail_dancer
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Walking on water a metaphor? Actually that last one is a reference to the sun, not the son. Sailors love to watch the sun's rays walking on the water during sunrises and sunsets!
Peace
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| May 25 @ 11:10 AM |
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hammertime
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Sail
Enjoy....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_iXNI2A418
I sailed an ocean, unsettled ocean
Through restful waters and deep commotion
Often frightened, unenlightened
Sail on, sail on sailor
I wrest the waters, fight Neptune's waters
Sail through the sorrows of life's marauders
Unrepenting, often empty
Sail on, sail on sailor
Caught like a sewer rat alone but I sail
Bought like a crust of bread, but oh do I wail
Seldom stumble, never crumble
Try to tumble, life's a rumble
Feel the stinging I've been given
Never ending, unrelenting
Heartbreak searing, always fearing
Never caring, persevering
Sail on, sail on, sailor
I work the seaways, the gale-swept seaways
Past shipwrecked daughters of wicked waters
Uninspired, drenched and tired
Wail on, wail on, sailor
Always needing, even bleeding
Never feeding all my feelings
Damn the thunder, must I blunder
There's no wonder all I'm under
Stop the crying and the lying
And the sighing and my dying
Sail on, sail on sailor
Sail on, sail on sailor
Sail on, sail on sailor
Sail on, sail on sailor
Sail On Sailor
Beach Boys
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| May 25 @ 10:40 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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This is what I believe:
1. There is only One God
2. The soul is a part of God (actually connected in some way)
3. Jesus as all of us was part man and part spirit at birth, his mind and spirit was precisely tuned and as a result his soul reached the highest level a soul could reach and became God.
4. Jesus has tried to help us to elevate our souls to the same level as his. He has told us to follow him for "he is the way", he's been through it and it can be done.
5. This process does not creat new Gods. Jesus did not become a new God, He became part of the trinity, three separate entities in One God. --Sail_Dancer--from the "What If God" thread
From page 5 of that same thread --"The God of the Old testament and the God of the New Testament are one and the same." --Sail_Dancer
And on page 8 of that same thread again--"...but I can say that I agree with you that Jesus is God." --Sail_Dancer
And I do apologize. Due to some technical difficulties, those quotations might not be precise.
But certainly the quotes are close enough to reflect a huge discrepancy between then and now.
Please don't insult as by maintaining that your Beliefs have not changed since we met you. 
Go on back and re-read the entire thread. It's funny how the inter-personal dynamics have changed since then.
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| May 25 @ 10:44 PM |
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j_goose
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http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=ARTICLES&id=1128441626
Thoght this was interesting.
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| May 25 @ 11:00 PM |
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Jankia
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Yes,interesting that Christainagggression.org notes The views expressed on this site are those of the respective authors and not necessarily those of this website. This website holds the Christian faith in high regard and is in no way anti-Christian. Rather this website is opposed to the aggression practiced under in the name of Christianity. and "Christianity Dying In The West?" has what to do with aggression practiced under the name of Christianity?
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| May 25 @ 11:03 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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"I never said people should live a life without Jesus, I believe he is God and was sent to us to show us the way to become Gods. Because he did it, he showed us it could be done.
If you read my current posts, you'll see that I don't believe we have to be saved because there is nothing to be saved from. That's why I didn't use Christ in the answer above. Christ denotes "savior" and I believe Jesus was a messenger." --Sail_Dancer---from a little later in that same "What if God" thread.
So you did clarify. I apologize Sail.
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| May 26 @ 12:01 AM |
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sail_dancer
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SOC,
You and Jankia are amazing.
1. There is only One God There is only one God and we are all part of him.
2. The soul is a part of God (actually connected in some way) This is the spark I always talk about.
3. Jesus as all of us was part man and part spirit at birth, his mind and spirit was precisely tuned and as a result his soul reached the highest level a soul could reach and became God. I have always said this Jesus awakened to the fact that he was god.
4. Jesus has tried to help us to elevate our souls to the same level as his. He has told us to follow him for "he is the way", he's been through it and it can be done. Jesus became enlightend and taught us how to awaken ourselves. He told us we are all gods.
5. This process does not creat new Gods. Jesus did not become a new God, He became part of the trinity, three separate entities in One God. The trinity I was speaking of was the Father; Buddha & Jesus. The Father always existed; Buddha was the first master to awaken; and Jesus was the second master to awaken. When Jesus awakened he became aware and the third entity within god. We are all part of god but not enlightened to the fact. As more masters acheive enlightenment there is no longer a trinity but a god composed of many enlightened gods.
--"The God of the Old testament and the God of the New Testament are one and the same." If I said that, I was stating christian belief, not mine.
"...but I can say that I agree with you that Jesus is God." I believe we are all unawakened gods. So why wouldn't I believe that Jesus the Master was a god?
SOC posted:But certainly the quotes are close enough to reflect a huge discrepancy between then and now.
Please don't insult as by maintaining that your Beliefs have not changed since we met you. Consider yourself insulted because my beliefs have not changed. The thread you are talking about was my fist exposure to posting to forums. I even appologized many times because of this.
I have learned since then that you better be exact in what you post or else people will jump on it.
Did you look at the graphics I tried to use to explain how we are all gods within one god? So where do you see these big differences between my beliefs now and then?
I have always said that truths that I have today may be untruths in the future. That is what is called growing spiritually.
Peace
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| May 26 @ 1:10 AM |
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Angel54214
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Sail, I would very much like your thoughts on the scriptures in John 20. When Jesus walked on water and came to the ship, Peter also walked on water after he knew it was him; but for that one moment, I see Peter fully came into Jesus; without fear, without doubt. But when Peter saw the waves, the turmoil of the sea he became frightened and he fell in the water. For that one moment when Peter saw Jesus and walked to him, Jesus was in God and God in him for in another scripture God treads upon the waves:
Job 9:
8 Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.
Please Sail, what do you see?
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| May 26 @ 1:20 AM |
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Angel54214
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I also see a different "trinity" as in God, Man, Life trinity. Not a trinity that we have been exposed to in the original form from the roman church.
I see God is the powerful entity, the Holy Spirit and Wisdom, which He is the YaWeh=Father/Mother. I see Jesus the man prophet, teacher, redeemer. Three entities in each. I see Life consisting of all combined as the third of the trinity. Kinda hard for me to explain, but as I think about this more I can share more.
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| May 26 @ 7:38 AM |
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sail_dancer
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Angel,
I also see a different "trinity" as in God Yes! There are many trinities. I think trinities are formed when a god manefests new creations.
Peace
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| May 26 @ 11:43 AM |
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sail_dancer
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Angel,
Sail, I would very much like your thoughts on the scriptures in John 20. When Jesus walked on water and came to the ship, Peter also walked on water after he knew it was him; but for that one moment, I see Peter fully came into Jesus; without fear, without doubt. But when Peter saw the waves, the turmoil of the sea he became frightened and he fell in the water. For that one moment when Peter saw Jesus and walked to him, Jesus was in God and God in him for in another scripture God treads upon the waves: Job 9:
8 Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea. Please Sail, what do you see?
John 20?
My explanation would be too lenghty to post here.
I'll prepare and start a new thread on this topic. It will take a while for me to put it all together.
Great question by the way!
Peace
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| May 27 @ 12:22 AM |
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Angel54214
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John 20?
I stand corrected, it's John 6, which you already know 
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| May 27 @ 10:20 PM |
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16knots
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Christianity and its weaknesses
Its inability to be accountable for own actions.
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| Jun 3 @ 7:19 AM |
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Thor1960303
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People love to tout their Christian faith but when questioned they sink deeper into dogma or denial.
This is because their faith is stored away in a logic tight compartment in their minds.When logic confronts them head on,there are one of two things that will happen.The person will either begin to question their beliefs and seek answers and then later modify their beliefs or discard them altogether,or they will,as you say,sink deeper into dogma and denial.This,I believe is the motivation behind areas of pseudoscience like creationism and intelligent design and has given rise to bogus professions like "Christian counseling".
Isnt this a problem?
Of course it is.Anytime emotionalism,dogma,superstition and out dated beliefs are touted as truth and,even worse,implemented as policy we're in trouble.
When Christianity is questioned negatively the whining starts. Personally I would have thought this is the Golden Opportunity to address the issues and show the real ambiance of Christianity.
You're being way too logical as Hammer says.These folks know that they lack what it takes to debate logically,so they jump back into their emotionalism and cry "foul."
Have they lost faith and trust in their beliefs or what?
No,their beliefs simply aren't logical and fall apart when the light of logic is held up close.The only thing they have left is what their faith is based on...emotion.So that's what they are reacting with.
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| Jun 3 @ 8:13 AM |
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LanceVarden7
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"The God of the Old testament and the God of the New Testament are one and the same."
I think the point is getting missed.
If God is a supreme being, that pre-supposes that there is only one and all factual information about him must be referring to the same being.
If the OT and NT are both true, then they have to be referring to the same being.
The question is, are they both true?
The God of the OT and NT are very different in nature and attitude. If the one central God is consistent, then it implies that either the OT or NT is not completely accurate in their depiction of what God is like.
For me, I think the NT is the more accurate representation of what God is like. I think, before Yeashua, they were just floundering, trying to figure it out.
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| Jun 3 @ 8:24 AM |
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hammertime
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A psychoanalysis of men who wrote the OT is a must. What were on the minds of men to create a male God with the personality of a impulsive, angry, deal making, and even manipulatable being?
Carl Jung wrote
The Problem of Evil, which for so many people simply dehumanizes religion, and which Schopenhauer used to reject the value of the world, became a challenge for Jung in the psychoanalysis of God. The God of the Bible is indeed a personality, and seemingly not always the same one. God as a morally evolving personality is the extraordinary conception of Answer to Job. What Otto saw as the evolution of human moral consciousness, Jung turns right around on the basis of the principle that the human unconscious, expressed spontaneously in religious practice and literature, transcends mere human subjectivity. But the transcendent reality in the unconscious is different in kind from consciousness. As Jung said in Memories, Dreams, Reflections again:
If the Creator were conscious of Himself, He would not need conscious creatures; nor is it probable that the extremely indirect methods of creation, which squander millions of years upon the development of countless species and creatures, are the outcome of purposeful intention. Natural history tells us of a haphazard and casual transformation of species over hundreds of millions of years of devouring and being devoured. The biological and political history of man is an elaborate repetition of the same thing. But the history of the mind offers a different picture. Here the miracle of reflecting consciousness intervenes -- the second cosmogony [ed. note: what Teilhard de Chardin called the origin of the "noosphere," the layer of "mind"]. The importance of consciousness is so great that one cannot help suspecting the element of meaning to be concealed somewhere within all the monstrous, apparently senseless biological turmoil, and that the road to its manifestation was ultimately found on the level of warm-blooded vertebrates possessed of a differentiated brain -- found as if by chance, unintended and unforeseen, and yet somehow sensed, felt and groped for out of some dark urge. [p. 339]
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