| Jun 6 @ 12:19 PM |
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16knots
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God is a gallon of Milk sitting on the counter top.
Prayer to the Gallon of milk and ask for the pain to go away in my neck.
Outcomes:
Pain goes away... Gallon of Milk has answered my prayers.
Pain remains.... Gallon of Milk has its reasons why not to answer my prayers.
Pain has spasms.... we don't always get what we want.. I don't question why.
Doesnt matter what you prayer too the outcomes will always be the same.
The God delusion.
Prove it isnt so. 
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| Jun 6 @ 12:27 PM |
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hammertime
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Wow, I step out for a while and come back to an inane discussion of meaningless chatter. Prayers are nothing more than self hypnosis and limited to what hypnosis can do. It is in no way efficacious as meditation which is far superior in terms of mind and body discipine. Scientists have confirmed this. For the delusionals, I supposed when a doctor operates on the wrong side of the brain or cuts open the wrong organ its God's fault since he uses people. Its a that kind of thinking that makes Christians look stupid.
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| Jun 6 @ 12:50 PM |
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sail_dancer
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SOC,
The Kingdom of God is certainly can be found within ourselves. But how can you possibly understand that It is ourselves?
Isn't that just a little egocentric?
Like I said you have to blend everything Jesus said. Didn't he also say that just as he is one with the father, so are we. If we are one with the father and the father and his kingdom is within us, what does this tell you?
Nothing egocentric about it. Just what Jesus has told us about the father and our relationship with him.
Also think of what Jesus said about prayer. "when you pray, enter into your closet (yourself), and when you have shut the door (eliminated all external distractions), pray to your Father who is in secret (where do secrets reside, the mind); and your Father who sees you in secret (your mind) shall reward you openly (with insight and knowledge)."
It is all there SOC, all you have to do is read it without all the church dogma you have been fed.
You keep trying to change what Jesus teaches. God is not separate from us. He is one with us as he is with Jesus. There is not a separate heaven somewhere in the sky, the kingdom of god is within us. So when you pray, where does it go? Nowhere! Unless you realize it is only a positive thinking exercize and that it places us in touch with our inner selves.
Peace
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| Jun 6 @ 1:01 PM |
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hammertime
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Every prayer to a watermelon gets answered. You just have to wait for your answer. The answers will be YES, NO, or NOT YET. If someone eats the watermelon, you'll just have to pray to another one. They all do the same thing anyway. Why? Because God made them that way....
You can even pray to god. His answers are YES, NO, or NOT YET just like the watermelon. Why? Because got made them that way....
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| Jun 6 @ 1:13 PM |
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hammertime
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The problem with praying to god or a watermelon is that you don't get your answer right away. If nothing happens then you got to figure out for yourself that god or the watermelon is telling you NOT YET. If something in your favor happens even if its two months later then you know it was YES and no longer NOT YET. If you keep waiting and waiting and waiting its hard to tell if your answer is NOT YET or NO even if you're waiting for over 20 years but if you have faith, you can tell yourself the answer is NOT YET...
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| Jun 6 @ 1:20 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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You just advised ""all you have to do is read it without all the church dogma you have been fed." And Hammertime continually calls all Believers "delusional" .
But those of us who are already praying, (God-fearing, God-respecting, humble, Christians), are seeing with our own eyes, positive results in 3-dimentional reality!
Sure, I admit that there are many who are out-there, who claim moronic things and then lay claim to some association to Jesus Christ. But we were warned by Jesus Christ in Matthew 10:16--"I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves." We can't begin with Christianity to believe everything we hear.
Is that normally a practice of yours?
No, of course not.
You examine things to some extent for yourselves, and hopefully you reach a wise decision.
Discernment.
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| Jun 6 @ 1:23 PM |
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Cynbaby
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Hammer you should post your "Prayer to a milk jug" video if you have not already. Confused at first, but then Kinda made some sense to me after watching the vid . I now get a better feeling when I meditate and contemplate good thoughts rather then it being a formal "prayer".
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| Jun 6 @ 1:24 PM |
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16knots
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SOC:
You examine things to some extent for yourselves, and hopefully you reach a wise decision.
Discernment.
Am I reading correctly here?
What on earth do you know about wisdom and discernment. What is wisdom?
Where does it come from and what kinds are there?
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| Jun 6 @ 1:27 PM |
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sail_dancer
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SOC,
Sure, I admit that there are many who are out-there, who claim moronic things and then lay claim to some association to Jesus Christ.
Are you denying that Jesus told us the things that I pointed out to you?
Peace
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| Jun 6 @ 1:43 PM |
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hammertime
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There is a milk jug in there somewhere.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk6ILZAaAMI
Got milk???
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| Jun 6 @ 1:48 PM |
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hammertime
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STATEMENT OF FAITH...
I have just gotten a big surge of faith... I will say a prayer that the the sun will come out tomorrow morning. I'm not sure if my prayer will be answered but I will have faith...I want to see if faith really works. So lets all pray together that the sun will rise tomorrow. If it rises I will have confirmed my faith is real....
Well if the sun doesn't come out tomorrow. My prayers have still been answered. The answer was NO....
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| Jun 6 @ 1:51 PM |
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Cynbaby
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The sun IS coming out tomorrow, or perhaps someone sunny will 
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| Jun 6 @ 1:59 PM |
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16knots
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You guys arent being serious.
You shouldnt waste your prayers on silliness but it would be better used praying for a lottery win.
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| Jun 6 @ 2:04 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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No, not at all Sail; He certainly did say those things. You have my full-agreement.
All that I'm saying is that there many disturbed people out among us in the world who do say moronic things. And what makes these things that they say moronic is that the people who are saying these things, claim that the information they are sharing is Christian.
Sometimes somebody will be totally convinced that the stuff they are saying is the Gospel. They are completely convinced that the words they speak convey the exact meaning of the Bible.
Perhaps they are being totally sincere. That is exactly what they believe the Bible is saying.
But they are in error. Though totally Bible-believing, compassionate people, the information they are sharing is in error.
My last post had absolutely nothing to do with you.
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| Jun 6 @ 2:18 PM |
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sail_dancer
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SOC,
No, not at all Sail; He certainly did say those things. You have my full-agreement.
All that I'm saying is that there many disturbed people out among us in the world who do say moronic things. And what makes these things that they say moronic is that the people who are saying these things, claim that the information they are sharing is Christian.
Now we are getting somewhere! You finally agree that Jesus said those things. You also said that if you believe them as they were recorded (supposedly), then you cannot claim that the words reflect christian beliefs. The only way that can be is if some christian founders added to these words when they established christian dogma.
You are blinded by your dogma and place more importance in your dogma than the actual teachings of the Master (Jesus).
Peace
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| Jun 6 @ 3:15 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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I don't know who the heck you think you are Sail_Dancer; but you've certainly been misguided somewhere along the road you've travelled.
What do you mean by saying, "You finally agree that Jesus said those things." I have never-ever denied that the words attributed to Jesus Christ, as recorded in the Bible, were not His.
What's this new game you're playing at?
What I am saying, is that some people, (wolves disguised as Christian-sheep among us), are perverting the Word. And then they are claiming that the non-Christian philosophies that result from these perversions, are actually the true things that Jesus said!!
These people are the ones who are the Deceivers.
They seek to lead people along paths of their own design. And they then try to pass-off those paths as the route Christ wants to lead us along.
Flim-flam men. Petty trickery or deception.
Some are fairly obvious in their wiles.
But others introduce themselves as Bible-believing Christians. They will cultivate an aura of trust; often embraced by the unwary Christian.
Then after a bit of time has passed, the illusion of themselves that they have created, slowly fades. And the true nature of these false-Christians begins to establish itself.
Sometimes as the pride + the self-confidence they have of themselves fades, these people will let go of the entire charade.
So do you now tell us that it is not only the other parts of the Bible you do not believe are genuine...but it is also the red-lettered, recorded words of Jesus Christ that are in dispute??
And please don't say this is what you have always maintained. 
[Edited on 6/6/2008 3:20 PM]
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| Jun 6 @ 3:20 PM |
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16knots
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SOC 
Make your mind up, you are confusing the issue. He did or he didnt?
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| Jun 6 @ 3:22 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Did who say what?
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| Jun 6 @ 3:27 PM |
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16knots
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SOC....
What is wisdom?
Where does it come from and what kinds are there?
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| Jun 6 @ 3:41 PM |
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joe_kerr
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Forget about the milk jugs and watermelons. George Carlin recommends praying to Joe Pesci.
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