| Jun 10, 2008 @ 4:34 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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If we choose to be a non-Believer, we'll settle for any reason to justify our non-Belief.
Luke 16:19--"There was a rich man, who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20--At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21--and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22--The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23--In Hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24--So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire'. 25--But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26--And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.' 27--He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house. 28--for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.' 29--Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.' 30--'No father Abraham', he said,'but if someone from the dead goes to them. they will repent.' 31--He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.' "
Keep in mind that it was Jesus Christ telling this fictional story, prior to His crucifixion and subsequent Resurrection.
While it was fictional, the spiritual truths expressed do not also become fictional.
I think it is important to understand that Jesus does not respond to people who have already found themselves spending eternity in a hopeless place. (Though many do believe that Hell is actually a place of eternal torment.)
I believe it is also important to keep in mind that eternity is a long time to remember and regret the evil choices we have made. 
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| Jun 10, 2008 @ 4:42 PM |
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16knots
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If we choose to be a non-Believer, we'll settle for any reason to justify our non-Belief.
More self-righteous bullcrap!
Ignorant and arrogant.
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| Jun 10, 2008 @ 4:57 PM |
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hunt4luv
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I believe it is also important to keep in mind that eternity is a long time to remember and regret the evil choices we have made.
I agree with you Soc. I see this Life as A test and what we do with it determines our eternity.
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| Jun 10, 2008 @ 5:01 PM |
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16knots
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What about reincarnation and those that know reincarnation as fact?
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| Jun 10, 2008 @ 5:58 PM |
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Thor1960303
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If we choose to be a non-Believer, we'll settle for any reason to justify our non-Belief.
I never needed to find a "reason" to "justify" non belief.Common sense,logic and rationality do that for me just fine.Yet belief and faith are loaded with bogus justifications,convenient excuses and bent and convoluted logic to support it.
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| Jun 10, 2008 @ 6:48 PM |
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j_goose
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If we choose to be a non-believer, we can truly enjoy life.
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| Jun 10, 2008 @ 6:52 PM |
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hammertime
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I've always enjoyed myths as a kid because they would ask us what the moral of the story was. It was like a game. Stories are how you mold children's minds. Children lack the experience of life and these so easy to indoctrinate. As it turns out so many bible stories really have morals that are toxic and antisocial lessons, an immoral moral if you will. They embody principles that no civilized person would ever hold and no sane person would ever believe.
One favorite story I referred to earlier today is this one:
This is a story about a father who takes his son and his son's friend out on a boat to go fishing in a lake. The son and his friend both fall over into the lake from losing their balance. They both don't know how to swim. The father can only save one of them. He saves the son's friend but not his own son. The reason he tells the friend is that his son was already saved by Jesus but the friend wasn't a Christian and needed saving.
The story is fiction but it doesn't have to be. Its very plausible that psychopath Christians make decisions everyday based in their twisted faith. Can you imagine a Christian medical doctor in a hospital choosing between two patients to save. One of them is your child. He can only operate on one of them and so lets your child die because its been baptized already. Of course, if the parents were also delusional Christians they just might be happy their child was chosen to die because the reasons were for Christian values.
Delusional and stupid Christians live their lives based on such toxic and deadly morals. SOC for example gave us many personal examples of what he would do in certain situations. He has posted them publicly and should be happy they are being told. He is a Christian and such stories should be told. Perhaps, this time for a change he can tell the story himself. There are two. One having to do with stones and what god tells him to do and another about a girl who thinks she is dying...
OK SOC, you got the floor.
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| Jun 10, 2008 @ 6:59 PM |
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BandTMom
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I have no belief and I have no non-belief.
I have a path to the true nature of my mind.
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| Jun 10, 2008 @ 7:22 PM |
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sealacamp
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More self-righteous bullcrap!
Ignorant and arrogant.
Actually it is biblical and wise. But you can't recognize wisdom when it stares you in the face.
S
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| Jun 10, 2008 @ 7:25 PM |
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BandTMom
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Oh, did you get that from the Bible, Seal??
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| Jun 10, 2008 @ 7:28 PM |
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16knots
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Actually it is biblical and wise. But you can't recognize wisdom when it stares you in the face.
Oh... just like your evil god killing innocent babies, children, women and men 
Jesus here to turn mother, father, sister, brother against each other
...s o loving and wise 
Get real!
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| Jun 10, 2008 @ 7:32 PM |
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hammertime
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Actually it is biblical and wise. is an oxymoron written by a moron. There is very little wise about bible delusions of worlds that only exist in a demented mind. I would like to know what this biblical fool would do if he could only save either his own son or his friend as in the example I gave above about going fishing or what would he do if it was his kid in the medical doctor scenario.
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| Jun 10, 2008 @ 7:37 PM |
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BandTMom
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If we choose to be a non-Believer, we'll settle for any reason to justify our non-Belief.
And this quote is in the Bible, Seal?
Chapter and verse, please.
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| Jun 10, 2008 @ 9:04 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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So again now I choose to risk being accused of cutting + running since I choose not to become tangled up in the nonsense.
Such challenges no longer seem quite so important to me.
(If these are grounds for cutting + running...then so be it. I see it more as seeking peace. Whichever. I guess it kinda depends on the spin you give it.)
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| Jun 10, 2008 @ 9:07 PM |
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16knots
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You arent being accused. You ARE.
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| Jun 10, 2008 @ 9:16 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Actually...if avoiding conflict is to result in your disrespect, do you think that I'll conclude that the cost to myself was too high??
Actually 16, your respect still carries a little value in this man's world. There are a few who frequent this forum whose opinions carries very little weight though.
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| Jun 10, 2008 @ 9:26 PM |
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sail_dancer
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SOC,
That parable has been discussed many times over the last three years and each time it was proven that it did not relate to eternal damnation.
You are like a broken record. Come up with something new and I'll participate in the conversation. This parable has been over discussed in this forum.
Peace
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| Jun 10, 2008 @ 9:28 PM |
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16knots
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SOC, there is purposes in life that even you can not think to that level.
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| Jun 10, 2008 @ 9:34 PM |
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hunt4luv
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Soc I dont blame you Im sick of it myself.
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| Jun 10, 2008 @ 9:35 PM |
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BandTMom
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Need some Imodium?
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