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sealacamp
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You claim that the bible is the word of your god. If this is so, please provide book, chapter and verse where your god tells his followers that "all" non-believers worship demons.
Please provide book chapter and verse where He says they don't! You always try to put the shoe on the other foot when it is squarely where it belongs, on yours.
What am I trying to say? Am I saying that food offered to idols has some significance, or that idols are real gods? No, not at all. I am saying that these sacrifices are offered to demons, not to God. And I don’t want you to participate with demons. You cannot drink from the cup of the Lord and from the cup of demons, too. You cannot eat at the Lord’s Table and at the table of demons, too.
Now there is your answer and even though you pretend to be ignorant you are not. You merely try to bait someone as you usually do. Your intent is clear you wish to discredit God and His word. Now I am sure you know where this is so you can figure it out for yourself. The truth is there is one God and only one God and anything else is less than God and not of God. There is nothing else stated in the scriptures anywhere. Say what you will but if it is not reflected in Gods word then it is false.
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| Jun 13 @ 2:05 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Please provide book chapter and verse where He says they don't! You always try to put the shoe on the other foot when it is squarely where it belongs, on yours.
Ignorant statement!
I don't even believe in your book of fables, now you want me to prove something that it doesn't say?
Hunt stated that "all" non-believers worship demons. It is up to him to support such a rediculous statement. I even gave in and said that he could use the christian rule book to substantiate it. All I required was for him to provide the book, chapter and verse that teaches this. I also said that the verse should be able to stand on its own and not require rewording to support his statement.
This was a valid request and if such a verse existed, both you and Hunt would have jumped at the opportunity to display it to the heathen world.
Now there is your answer and even though you pretend to be ignorant you are not. All non-believers are idol worshipers. This was not said by your god or Jesus, it was said by Paul about idol worshipers. Paul constantly says things in opposition to what is in the gospels.
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| Jun 13 @ 2:15 PM |
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LanceVarden7
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Please provide book chapter and verse where He says they don't! You always try to put the shoe on the other foot when it is squarely where it belongs, on yours. I have to side with Sail on this one.
That is quite a stretch.
You can't prove a negative.
I can't give you a chapter and verse that says they don't all dance naked in the moonlight smearing war paint on each other, but I am pretty sure they don't.....
....at least not all of them.
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| Jun 13 @ 2:25 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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2Kings 17:34-- "To this day they persist in their former practices. They neither worship the Lord nor adhere to the decrees and ordinances, the laws and comands that the Lord gave the descendants of Jacob, whom He named Israel. 35--When the Lord made a covenant with the Israelites, He commanded them: 'Do not worship any other gods or bow down to them, serve them or sacrifice to them. 36--But the Lord , who brought you up out of Egypt with almighty power and outstretched arm, is the one you must worship. To Him you shall bow down and to Him offer sacrifices. 37--You must always be careful to keep the decrees and ordinances, the laws and commands He wrote for you. Do not worship other gods. 38--Do not forget the covenant I have made with you, and do not worship other gods. 39--Rather, worship the Lord your God; it is He who will deliver you from the hand of all your enemies.' 40--They would not listen, however, but persisted in their former practices. 41--Even while these people were worshipping the Lord, they were serving their idols. To this day their children and grandchildren continue to do as their fathers did."
While this O.T. passage does not actually use the word demons to identify other gods. I think the command is pretty straight-forward that we are to worship none but the God of Jacob. (Regardless of the title of anyone/anything else.  )
Added--rediculous = ridiculous (I think)
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| Jun 13 @ 3:04 PM |
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sail_dancer
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SOC,
While this O.T. passage does not actually use the word demons to identify other gods. I think the command is pretty straight-forward that we are to worship none but the God of Jacob.
Good passage quote.
It amazes me that christians believe that only one god exists. Throughout the OT, there are references to other gods and being that the god of Abraham is jealous of these other god's, it substantiates that these other god's exist.
Why would the god of Abraham be jealous of these other god's if they didn't exist. Why would he be jealous of idols?
That would be like a woman being jealous of the blowup doll her better half uses when she is not around. 
She may not appreciate the fact that her better half uses this blowup doll, but I doubt that you can call it jealousy.
Thanks again for quoting from your bible, things that most christians stay away from. This is a good example that the christian bible supports the fact that there are more than one god.
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| Jun 13 @ 3:30 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Sail, although all these idols of worship are not living, they are still gods.
What exactly is a god anyway?
I believe a god is the focal point of our adoration. Our veneration. Whateverever we choose to venerate becomes a god to us.
Some people might idolize sport's figures.
Others might revere pop icons or movie celebrities.
Many people idolize themselves. While a certain amount of love for oneself is not only healthy, I believe to a point it is even to be encouraged.
But we are not true challengers for His throne of Grace.
Nor do I believe we should ever challenge for the glory due His name.
He is a living God.
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| Jun 13 @ 3:32 PM |
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sealacamp
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It amazes me that christians believe that only one god exists. Throughout the OT, there are references to other gods and being that the god of Abraham is jealous of these other god's, it substantiates that these other god's exist.
You just can't help yourself can you? You know darn good and well that the words there refer to the attention people pay to something that does not exist while ignoring the reality of God. Furthermore the old testament states repeatedly that there is only one God. So you want to believe that there are others go ahead. What you hang on to is contrary to what God has said, what you stated is a contortion of what Gods word says, and all of this will give you great disappointment in the end. I know that you are well aware of what you are doing so that would only mean that you intentionally subvert the word of God. So obviously you are aligned with the incorrect side, one that will bring you shame everlasting. Your choice.
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| Jun 13 @ 3:42 PM |
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LanceVarden7
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Sail, although all these idols of worship are not living, they are still gods.
What exactly is a god anyway?
In a sense, angels can be considerd "Other Gods" in that they are greater in power that humans (while obviuolsly less powerful thant the one God.
Genesis 4
22. And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."
Genesis 6
1. When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them,
2. the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
3. Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal ; his days will be a hundred and twenty years."
4. The Nephilim were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
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| Jun 13 @ 4:43 PM |
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hunt4luv
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Sail
Hunt stated that "all" non-believers worship demons.
Please show the exact words where you claim I said this.
Sadly we cannot have a Good discussion without false accusations and twisting of words. Isn't it sad that the only defense for your beliefs is to Lie sail?
Have you ever attempted to stand against the Truth in Gods word without Using deceptive means of communication? Are you capable of having an honest conversation without resorting to underhanded methods and outright lies?
Its pretty sad that your gods require such underhanded behavior by those who follow them. Rather your Gods are yourself , Your possessions or Demonic entities
It never fails. Your methods are never honorable sail. Are you capable of honorable debate? So far I have seen no indication that you are. Please prove me wrong.
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| Jun 13 @ 4:55 PM |
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uncrazy
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Venerated,
These are some of the odd things I've seen venerated in my life....poverty, lack of education, rumors, shunning, segregation, sexism, child abuse...some of them even rationalized by the use of scripture from pulpits.
If we keep looking we will find what, where, and when that the Hebrew scribes in Babylon used to describe the God relating to man in Genesis. We will uncover why our Judaic and Christian God appears to be at war against Himself.
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| Jun 13 @ 4:59 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Hunt,
Your methods are never honorable sail. Are you capable of honorable debate? So far I have seen no indication that you are. Please prove me wrong. You made the statement. It is your responsibility to substantiate it.
Again you troll into this thread to attack a person, not to take part in the subject being discussed.
You made quite a few accusations without providing anything to substantiate your claims. Your opinions are a joke. You make up things as you go.
I have asked you to provide scriptural support of your claims many time and you have yet to provide any. Seems funny that with all the preaching you do, you cannot even support what you say with verses from your own holy book.
Peace
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| Jun 13 @ 5:06 PM |
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hunt4luv
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You want me to substantiate your Lie?
More proof of your incapability to honestly have a discussion. I ask again where are these words I supposedly said? please produce them.  
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| Jun 13 @ 6:04 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Hunt,
Again I say:You made the statement. It is your responsibility to substantiate it.
You are responsible for what spews out of your mouth. It is not my responsibility to prove what you say is wrong.
It is your responsibility to assure that what comes out of your mouth is true. I questioned what you said. It is now up to you to prove that "your statement" is true.
You are a true christian evangelist. You say what you want. Never substantiate anything you say. Then expect the person questioning you to disprove what you said.
The sad part is that most christians are ignorant to you and others that use these techniques to try to prove your untruths.
The reason that christianity is in decline is that more and more people are becoming aware of your tactics. As mankind's knowledge and wisdom increases, more and more people will know you for what you are ...... a fake!
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| Jun 13 @ 6:49 PM |
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BandTMom
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Hunt said:
I ask again where are these words I supposedly said? please produce them.
I just happened to have this bookmarked.
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| Jun 13 @ 7:19 PM |
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SunBabe
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SOC said:
While this O.T. passage does not actually use the word demons to identify other gods. I think the command is pretty straight-forward that we are to worship none but the God of Jacob.
OK, tecnical question -- what's the difference between "the God of Jacob" and "the god of Abraham"? Are they just different interpretations by different followers of how they feel "God" should be viewed?
BTW, "Do not worship other gods" -- I DON'T worship DEMONS...no matter how anyone interprets that line.
As a matter of fact, not everyone feels the need or proclivity to "worship" anyone or anything, tangible or intangible. One can have and show acceptance and respect without "worshipping".
PS Great bookmark, mom.  Saves those of us who've been accused of crap a lot of backtracking. 
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| Jun 13 @ 7:22 PM |
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16knots
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Well done mom. Hunt you lied yet again!
 and told some pretty remarked untruths of other religions.
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| Jun 13 @ 7:22 PM |
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BandTMom
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Sunny!
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| Jun 13 @ 7:23 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Thanks Mom. 
Hunt's remarks:They are only going to hell if they choose to go their by choices made in their lives. They can choose to serve devils or the God of all creation. but they can't have both.
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There is only One true God. all the rest are the foolishness of men and demons.
man takes a tree cuts it down. makes a peice of furniture,cuts firewood and carves an idol from the same peice of wood. then bows down and prays to it. the buddist
carve an entry hole into the back of some of there idols for the evil spirit to enter in to it as they pray to it. demonic spirits are real.
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God is a gentleman he must be welcomed in and will clean house with our agreement and growth if he is.
These other religions are different. Demonic spirits are not gentlemen and if you open certain doors they will come rushing in to destroy your life through addictions,
selfishness, jeolousy and lust and many other perversions.
You are a sadistic, sick, delusional person. You truly should see a doctor.
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| Jun 13 @ 7:25 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Sunny,
As a matter of fact, not everyone feels the need or proclivity to "worship" anyone or anything, tangible or intangible. One can have and show acceptance and respect without "worshipping".
Words of wisdom.
Peace
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| Jun 13 @ 7:31 PM |
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BandTMom
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It's karma, folks.
You can't spew hatred out of your mouth and expect good things to come back to you..
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