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16knots
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As a Christian, we believe the Bible to be the "inspired" word of God. We believe the scripture that says...."Heaven and Earth may pass away, but my Word will not"
So that makes it the "Truth' to us.
yes, I understand this, of course, but this is the problem... It isnt the "truth." It is as you say "inspired." It is just a belief that a group of individuals have. Other systems have actual "truth."
When Jesus said "I am the Way, the truth, and the life...no man comes to the Father (God) except by me".....that is the truth we believe. Jesus. The most controversial name under Heaven and earth.
And again this is not truth but a belief. Also, Jesus taught many negative things... if you believe that all is "true."
Here are the quotes from Jesus that proves that he lied:
1) And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen. "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive." (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)
2) Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Matthew 7:7-8 NAB)
3) Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:19-20 NAS)
4) Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)
5) And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Luke 11:9-13 NAB)
... etcetera.... the list is far too long.
Talk about God....we seem to be ok. But talk about Jesus, and all Hell breaks loose...pardon the expression.
I think God is the main problem.
My faith may appear "blind" to you...but since I believe the word works so powerfully in my life, I believe the scripture says we are to "Walk by faith, and not by sight".
Not to me. I first started school at the age of 4 1/2. Saying prayers every morning, attending assembly every morning for many years. Religious education was the norm. At its peak I was close to being ordained as a Priest. I have stood and walked through the Vatican. Meditated on St Francis's stone bed. And, so much more.
I consider myself somewhat an authority on Christianity, "if I so wish." But much of it is not true.
So that may appear very stupid to an educated man as yourself, but it is the foundation of our faith.
I understand 'Your" faith. And that is the problem. It IS a faith and its foundations are not based on truths. Dont get me wrong there are some truths but its main stay is not truth. It can be proven as such so I am not speaking on hearsay but facts. (If you take the Bible as Gospel truth.)
God also says "My Ways are not your ways, and my thoughts are higher than your thougts". So we don't even think on a level that God thinks on. We don't even reason on that plane that God reasons on!
Simply because IF such a being existed ( I am neither atheist or theist) we would not know it under the present condition of our being.
So Blind Faith?? Yes it is. You are very correct!
Excellent, that is truthful.
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16knots
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The gospel has become watered down through time by the doctrines of man, but in essence the scriptures still stand. You are also correct in saying Christians don't speak the truth. But in fact that is a very general statement don't you think? Some do, some don't....just as not all non belivers actually worship demons!
Please excuse the non reference scriptures...I didn't have time to get them for you...I know the scripture, but not always the reference at times.
Individuals dont speak truth as a matter of choice but "God's word is not true and lies too. (Leaving out the examples... makes the posting too long.)
I did however want to comment on your post.
I think it is a lovely dialogue.
My main points stems from statements by Christians that isnt so. I have no problems backing up what I say with facts, which the statement becomes true. Christians make statements but do not produce clear and concise facts and hence can not validate the statement as being true. Again, just blind faith.
Belief should never be an option for your life or anyones life. This is "blind ignorance." Your life should be based on the exploration of your soul or spirituality. At the end of the day, to get it wrong is a catastrophic waste of a life.
There is absolutely nothing wrong in being a Christian, or believing in God or in Jesus. But we must get the facts right and know the truth. Never take it for granted or on blind faith.
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| Jun 13 @ 2:39 PM |
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1stsignofspring
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So Knotty...you were raised up as a Catholic? This could very well explain some of the "religious' doctrine about Christianity that you have. Christianity is full of alot of man's doctrines. And I know alot of Catholics, just not alot of "devout' catholics. Just like I know alot of Christians, just not alot of devout Christians...Lol
I do not believe in praying to "dead" men, nor do I believe in praying to the mother of Jesus, who was just a person as you or I, but used of God to bring the son of God into the world. Again, my beliefs.
Knotty, how do you know that the things I have said are not the truth? My truth is not found in Science or the knowledge of man. It is a truth I have experienced and felt. It is real to me. I searched for it, and found it. It has changed my life. Flesh and blood did not reveal this to me...but the true and living spirit of God. Maybe your perception of truth is something tangible...something you can see, touch, or feel? But my perception of the truth comes from an "inner witness" that it is the truth. The Holy Spirit living in me bears witness with my spirit. It has brought me true peace....and noone can dispute that. You don't know the person I used to be Knotty....it was ugly. When I say the Bible was "Inspired" by men...that "inspiration" actually came from the Spirit of God who "inspired" these men over a period of hundreds of years to write His truths, which have been preserved for thousands of years! They flow together in such intricacy.....being the Old Testament speaking of the old Covenants that God had with man, and full of prophecy of Christ who was to come. The New Testament is a fullfillment of that prophecy and put us into the dispensation of Grace...which we are still in.
So if I am to be accused of having blind faith..so be it. I'm not believing blindly, but I do blieve in someone I cannot see. That is walking by faith and not by sight. Everything you see around you was created out of something that could not be seen.  But I feel it in every fiber of my being, and I have been changed...that is all I know. All of those scriptures you quoted....are merely "faith" scriptures, to encourage us to walk by that faith....that one we cannot see. We can hang ourself with our tongues......but when we speak the word of God, it has to come to pass, because God said He will "perform" His word. It is a "Rhema" word...living... But that is another subject all together.
Thanks for continuing this discussion Knotty.....I'd like to hear more of your beliefs.
but if I go away for a couple of days it is because i am leaving out of town in awhile.
Have a great weekend!
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1stsignofspring
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oops....I forgot....there is a scripture I wanted to put in there but forgot...
"Gods wisdom is foolishness to man, and the wisdom of man is foolishness to God"....paraphrasing.... 
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| Jun 13 @ 3:15 PM |
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LanceVarden7
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oops....I forgot....there is a scripture I wanted to put in there but forgot...
"Gods wisdom is foolishness to man, and the wisdom of man is foolishness to God"....paraphrasing....
1 Corinthians 1
25. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
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uncrazy
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1stsignofspring,
We can hang ourself with our tongues......but when we speak the word of God, it has to come to pass, because God said He will "perform" His word.
This is likely one of the most powerful phrases yet remains unseen for what is implies so clearly in the text.
I see most calling on the name of God, and then watching for the change to come by some related act of God. We use the name of God as the cause of our desired effect(wish). No personal responsibility or action for creating the desired effect is undertaken by the pray-er even though we are told the kingdom of God is within.
Yes the Lord's Prayer even addresses the power of his name, it is hallowed...meaning it has power.
Summarizing we can then say that our truth is "when we speak the word of God, it has to come to pass", But the rub of this truth that is unseen hides before our eyes and can be found a high percentage of our sentences of words.
"I Am" is his name...it is said so often we have forgotten the meaning of what these three letters mean. They are the name of God, he said so. If I put it in front of being persecuted, sick, poor, helpless, sinful....we have begun the creation of our own condition by invoking God's name to do it.
What options do we have with this situation...we could avoid it all together by saying I twist the words of a holy book...we could say that the 3 letters of I Am in our sentence is not the same as the 3 letters I Am...or, we could become very watchful and careful how we use our words after we say the name of God.
Christians working in twos could literally empty every hospital in the world if it this was actually understood and said...the true wisdom would show we fully understood what this was saying by putting it in action. Until we do we can banter around who has the truth...I suggest if you really have it, use it. It would be a loving act, done for many of the least of these.
There could be a relationship of the two working together with the umma and thummin temple items.
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| Jun 13 @ 5:01 PM |
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hunt4luv
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Knotty
1) And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen. "And all things you ask in prayer,[/B] believing, you will receive." (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)
2) Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Matthew 7:7-8 NAB)
3) Again I say to you, that [B]if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:19-20 NAS)
4) Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)
5) And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Luke 11:9-13 NAB)
What is proven when people pray and answers don't come is that they don't believe,
they also don't meet the conditions of prayer. He said ye ask and do not receive because you ask amiss. Don't expect the selfish prayer to be answered. God does supply the needs of his children when their hearts are fixed on him. Is your prayer self centered? If it is is God the center of your focus. when one has a true love for God all things are possible through prayer. Will the answered prayer bring Honor to God or man? How Honorable is the prayer and the prayee. where does the prayer come from. The Lips or the Heart.
God is true and righteous all together knotty. God is not a Liar.
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uncrazy
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'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,'
It is a good thing that we don't have this much faith in our prayer...we are not yet compassionate and loving enough to have this much power...we'd be using it to prove my idea about God is better than your God...without any thought about the tidal waves it would cause.
If we currently have access to the power of God's name, our unwillingness to use it to help the least of these hides our lack of love for our neighbors or hides our disobedience toward our God's primary directive. You'd think we could find just two to gather together in His name...I fear they would be killed as working for the devil...the dogma prepares us well should a breakout of spiritual truth in action occur.
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sail_dancer
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He said ye ask and do not receive because you ask amiss. Don't expect the selfish prayer to be answered.
And where do you find this BS that you spew?
Knots quoted five pieces of scripture. The only requirements were that you believe that you will receive what you asked for.
Where did Jesus state "ye ask and do not receive because you ask amiss"? (Book, chapter and verse please).
Where does it say a prayer must be unselfish? You love to add caveats to things Jesus said. Again I ask you to prove what you say.
Peace
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hunt4luv
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Uncrazy The casting of a mountain into the sea was meant as an example. what would the true benefit of casting a Mountain into the sea be?
There are mountains in our Lives to be addressed. For one that mountain might be a disease, for another A deliverance from an addiction. I have witnessed such
healing and deliverance in my life. Faith is alive and well and Growing stronger.
Yes there is a responsibility that Goes with power. That is why God doesn't just Give it to anyone.
Prayer
When man turned his back on God and said I will be as God he said in effect God we can handle it from here. Why is the world in such a bad state you ask? How can God stand by and allow such heartbreak and wickedness if he is real you ask again.
God gave to man the power of Choice. There is a responsibility that goes with that ability. Our choices can effect our immediate lives as well as others. These choices can also effect future Generations. They can bring sickness ,desiese, famine.
and Poverty. The Greed of one can cause the starvation of many. That is why love for one another is so Important in the choices we make. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you has very real merit as A lifestyle.
When man Chose not to believe in God. Not to obey God. God stepped back when he was rejected. God wants to be Wanted by his children. He forces himself on nobody. Jesus Said after this manner therefore pray ye. Our father which art in heaven ( we first acknowledge him for who he is, then follow it up by giving Honor to his name with a ) Hallowed be thy Name. Then he went on to say.
THY KINGDOM COME, THY WILL BE DONE, IN EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN then once Gods will has been given priority we bring our needs to him. if we do not respect and honor him and seek his will How can we Come to him with a list of needs. Are we to treat God as A genie in a bottle? No! We are to love him and honor him and seek his will and when his desire and ours becomes one due to a properly alighned relationship with God we will ask and It will be Given.
Christ said ye ask and receive nothing because ye ask amiss. People isn't it time we fixed our eyes upon Gods will? I choose Jesus and pray his will be Done
In Earth as it is in heaven. The earth Is meant to be a beautiful place full of love for one another. Our choices have made it what it has come to be. Our choices can also change it back to what it was meant to be. CHOOSE YOU THIS DAY PEOPLE!
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| Jun 13 @ 5:27 PM |
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16knots
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Sorry double posting
[Edited on 6/13/2008 5:30 PM]
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sail_dancer
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You'd think we could find just two to gather together in His name...I fear they would be killed as working for the devil...the dogma prepares us well should a breakout of spiritual truth in action occur.
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| Jun 13 @ 5:27 PM |
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16knots
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So Knotty...you were raised up as a Catholic?
No. Protestant.
This could very well explain some of the "religious' doctrine about Christianity that you have. Christianity is full of alot of man's doctrines. And I know alot of Catholics, just not alot of "devout' catholics. Just like I know alot of Christians, just not alot of devout Christians...Lol
Do you mean the Bible is full of Mans doctrine?
I do not believe in praying to "dead" men, nor do I believe in praying to the mother of Jesus, who was just a person as you or I, but used of God to bring the son of God into the world. Again, my beliefs.
This is what the Bible says. God and son of God.
Knotty, how do you know that the things I have said are not the truth? My truth is not found in Science or the knowledge of man. It is a truth I have experienced and felt. It is real to me. I searched for it, and found it. It has changed my life.
Firstly, the foundation of your truth in Christianity is from the Bible and Bible reader beliefs.
Secondly, when it comes to Christian statements on God, Jesus and so called truths there is no facts to them. Im not saying ALL statements but most statements when it comes to the basis of Christianity.
Thirdly, what one experiences as being truth has to be founded on absolutes being the truth.
Felling something to be true does not make that the truth no matter how good it may seem.
Flesh and blood did not reveal this to me...but the true and living spirit of God.
What you actually feel is something you are not understanding in its true nature but what you perceive it to be based on your beliefs. The same experience can be interpreted in many ways and recognized differently according to the set of beliefs given.
Maybe your perception of truth is something tangible...something you can see, touch, or feel?
No. A complete understanding to our true nature. What I mean by this is that when we look "within" and analyze who we actually are and how the world is about us then we begin to understand greater things that brings everything we thought we knew and experienced into perspective. We are a far greater being then we think we maybe at present. Truth, again is having undeniable facts about us. Taking the same example about being born, living to grow old and dying. What does it teach us? Impermanancy. We as a human being are impermanent. WOW! So what!.. we already know this but yet most dont understand it. "Realize" it as a truth. Human nature is impermanent. But when we look at everything around us we can see the same thing to everything. The whole nature of the universe is impermanent. This is undeniable truth.
If we wish to continue this line of analysis we begin to realize other great truths and the true nature of the universe and our actual being.
But my perception of the truth comes from an "inner witness" that it is the truth. The Holy Spirit living in me bears witness with my spirit. It has brought me true peace....and noone can dispute that. You don't know the person I used to be Knotty....it was ugly.
Many people say this as fact. The truth is that you have changed. What caused you to change is certainly based on your experience with religion. But the description of why you have changed isnt the truth. There is no facts in respect of what it was and is, that changed you. Different religions have different labels for this happening. Who is right?
Again, the truth comes from analysis and realization of the actual truth. Certainly we experience marvelous life altering changes. This does not mean it is of God or of religion. I could explain to you what it is but it would take some time and an analysis of your true nature.
When I say the Bible was "Inspired" by men...that "inspiration" actually came from the Spirit of God who "inspired" these men over a period of hundreds of years to write His truths, which have been preserved for thousands of years! They flow together in such intricacy.....being the Old Testament speaking of the old Covenants that God had with man, and full of prophecy of Christ who was to come.
There is absolutely no basis for this being true. Infact when we analyze the actual words of the Bible, we see that it is in great error. In parts extremely contradictory. And in truth is very untruthful in parts.
Take for example just few of so many contradictions:
If the Bible was divinely inspired, then why would it have so many really obvious contradictions?
Theological doctrines:
1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6
2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28
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16knots
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6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
The New Testament is a fullfillment of that prophecy and put us into the dispensation of Grace...which we are still in.
So if I am to be accused of having blind faith..so be it. I'm not believing blindly, but I do blieve in someone I cannot see. That is walking by faith and not by sight.
And this is the problem. You simply do not know the truth. What you believe you do know and experience you think is the truth but it is ignorance unless you question it and find absolute truth. In this way you cease to follow blind faith but absolute truth.
Everything you see around you was created out of something that could not be seen. But I feel it in every fiber of my being, and I have been changed...that is all I know.
yes, everything is born but no one know from what unless they are an "enlightened being." Awakened to the truth.
All of those scriptures you quoted....are merely "faith" scriptures, to encourage us to walk by that faith....that one we cannot see. We can hang ourself with our tongues......but when we speak the word of God, it has to come to pass, because God said He will "perform" His word. It is a "Rhema" word...living... But that is another subject all together.
It has to be another subject because here it is faith and not truth. God doesnt "perform" his word because God is very contradictory. He also doesnt honour his promises or his actions.
Thanks for continuing this discussion Knotty.....I'd like to hear more of your beliefs.
but if I go away for a couple of days it is because i am leaving out of town in awhile.
Have a great weekend!
You have a good weekend too.
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| Jun 13 @ 5:33 PM |
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16knots
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1 Corinthians 1
25. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
Where is this the truth in this verse 
This is assuming that God exists. Assuming the Bible is the Word of God. Assuming it is a statement based on Gods behaviour.
It is all assuming and no truth.
Simply a blind faith.
Same again for this:
We can hang ourself with our tongues......but when we speak the word of God, it has to come to pass, because God said He will "perform" His word.
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hunt4luv
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I Think that you prove it is true every time you open your mouth knotty.
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Here's a truth:
Do not believe in anything simply because you heard it.
Do not believe anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.
But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conductive to the good and benefit of one and all, the accept it and live up to it.
-----The Buddha
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| Jun 13 @ 5:49 PM |
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16knots
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Hunt:
What is proven when people pray and answers don't come is that they don't believe, they also don't meet the conditions of prayer.
...perfect cop-out.
Public prayer sanctioned
1 Kings 8:22,54, 9:3
Public prayer disapproved
Matt 6:5,6
Importunity in prayer commended
Luke 18:5,7
Importunity in prayer condemned
Matt 6:7,8
Man is justified by faith alone
Rom 3:20/ Gal 2:16/ Gal 3:11,12/ Rom 4:2
Man is not justified by faith alone
James 2:21,24/ Rom 2:13
He said ye ask and do not receive because you ask amiss. Don't expect the selfish prayer to be answered.
again, perfect cop-out because there is no answer to any prayer.
God does supply the needs of his children when their hearts are fixed on him. Is your prayer self centered? If it is is God the center of your focus. when one has a true love for God all things are possible through prayer. Will the answered prayer bring Honor to God or man? How Honorable is the prayer and the prayee. where does the prayer come from. The Lips or the Heart.
God is true and righteous all together knotty. God is not a Liar.
Isnt he???
Jesus the Son of God Lied About Prayer
Jesus is quoted many times in the Bible saying that a believer can ask for anything through prayer and receive it. He even goes so far as to say that mountains and trees can be thrown into the sea simply by praying for it. This is clearly a lie, and can be proven to be a lie by any believer. Simply pray for me to be converted to Christianity right away. Or better yet ask God to move the mountains behind my house. He could make a lot of converts that way. If I’m converted today, I’ll post a public apology on my web site and devote my life to kissing God’s ass. If I’m not converted it would only be fair for you to apologize and devote your life to kissing my butt.
Here are the quotes from Jesus that proves that he lied:
1) And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen. "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive." (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)
2) Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Matthew 7:7-8 NAB)
3) Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:19-20 NAS)
4) Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)
5) And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Luke 11:9-13 NAB)
6) And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14 NAB)
7) If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you. (John 15:7 NAB)
8) It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you. (John 15:16 NAB)
9) On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you. Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete. (John 16:23-24 NAB)
A lot of Christians ignore what Jesus actually says in the Bible. They also tend to add things to the actual words to make them say something else. If you honestly and truthfully read these quotes, without adding to them, it is very easy to see that Jesus is not saying that God will think about your prayers. He says God will grant all your prayers. Clearly, God doesn’t grant all prayers and this proves that Jesus was a habitual liar.
God is a liar if you go beyond the belief or blind faith that he exists. He has actually lied to billions of Christians through time. He lied about his love to those that followed him in hope yet he caused genocide on them and he lied to those he believed he would not do such an evil deed.
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| Jun 13 @ 5:49 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Mom,
Excellent post.
Peace
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| Jun 13 @ 5:51 PM |
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BandTMom
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Thanks, Sail.
I happened to come by that today at work of all places.
Funny how it just fit in.
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