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What's the Christian perspective of space travel and the future?
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Thor1960303
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The Christian religion,like many others believes in a second coming and apocalypse.This world is supposed to pass away and Christ is supposed to return for a mellenial reign and the plug is supposed to be pulled on the enemies of Jaayyyzuussss.
So if you're convinced that Jesus is going to return and re organize the Cosmos for your benefit (such an arrogant,egocentric belief),what is your opinion of man's place in space?Are we wasting our time looking for life on Mars?Do you think God is pleased with man's achievements is space,or do you believe we're treading into places where we shouldn't go?Did God place the stars out of our reach and so cripple us to stay in our own solar system,maybe even our own lunar orbit?Does this make space travel attempts blasphemy?Just want to know your opinions on this subject,if you are even capable of imagining a future where interstellar space travel is possible.
Look at the current model of the cosmos and man and earth's place in it.How can you possibly hold on to a belief that's based on an ancient cosmology model that put earth and man in the center?A view that is proven to be out of touch with reality.
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| Jun 15 @ 5:01 PM |
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canadianbbw
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Thor, are there really people who believe space travel is blasphemy? I'm starting to think that brand of Christianity never reached Canada, I was brought up Catholic and never heard of such a thing. It's just so dumb. My ex is a Bible believing Christian and he has no problem believing in aliens, or respecting other beliefs in general.
I believe Jesus existed, as did other enlightened souls, that they knew life exists elsewhere, and lots of it. I guess it all comes down to fear: people afraid to displease God, afraid to one day be confronted with evidence that we are not everything---that maybe we are like children in the cosmos---or afraid to see that "made in God's image" could mean something unimaginable.
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| Jun 15 @ 5:09 PM |
What's the Christian perspective of space travel and the future?
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Thor1960303
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I'm starting to think that brand of Christianity never reached Canada, I was brought up Catholic and never heard of such a thing. It's just so dumb.
How fortunate you are indeed for not having to endure stupid fundamentalism.Another reason why my wife and I plan to retire in BC.Yes,there are people who think this way, BBW.Go to fixedearth.com for some real entertaining BS.I believe even the more intelligent Christian writer ,CS Lewis believed that for man to attempt interstellar travel was blasphemy because God (in his opinion) had placed uncrossable distances between stars.
What a crock! 
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| Jun 15 @ 5:25 PM |
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Jankia
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This world is supposed to pass away and Christ is supposed to return for a mellenial reign and the plug is supposed to be pulled on the enemies of Jaayyyzuussss. Talk about arrogant,egocentric 
Wait...theres more...if you are even capable of imagining a future where interstellar space travel is possible. If you were really honestly looking for opinions from Christains you would have worded this thread respectfully to those that are.
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| Jun 15 @ 5:39 PM |
What's the Christian perspective of space travel and the future?
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Thor1960303
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If you were really honestly looking for opinions from Christains you would have worded this thread respectfully to those that are.
Why should it matter?Afraid your opinion will get ridiculed ?Why should that matter if you believe it to be true?I think it's a legitimate question to ask:A: If you are capable of imagining a future where manned interstellar space flight is possible and B: How do you reconcile that with your cosmological and eschatological beliefs?In your opinion,does man belong in space?Should man be looking for life elsewhere in the universe?Should man be looking for possible new homes on other planets or should he be content to allow God to provide his new home in Heaven,and what,in your opinion is "Heaven?"
I'm posting this as a challenge,not a ridicule,but then knowing Christianity as well as I do,particularly the fundy kind, I can understand why most fundies wouldn't be up for the challenge.
I am aware that there are Christians who are a bit more progressive than their fundy brethren,hell,Rick Husband,commander of the space shuttle Columbia was a Christian,but it's one thing to orbit the earth and even walk on the moon,but to suggest that man's future belongs in space and to venture outside his home,then where does that leave the need for God or a savior?
[Edited on 6/15/2008 5:58 PM]
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| Jun 15 @ 6:24 PM |
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Jankia
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Why should it matter?
It shouldnt matter at all on here if someone is honestly looking for opinions but when what is written claims your wondering if anyone is even capable of imagining a future where interstellar space travel is possible is as lame as your pretended intentions for this thread are.
Afraid your opinion will get ridiculed ? Afraid? hardly,when this threads intention was to ridicule from the get go.You can make some profound claim that it wasnt but you'll still know it was yourself.
Why should that matter if you believe it to be true? Shouldnt matter at all what you believe is true,but since you allready believe the way you do,why ask questions you allready know your answers for?
Look at your answer to the first person to answer you.
What a crock! When you refer to the arrogant...refer to yourself Thor.
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| Jun 15 @ 6:25 PM |
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Angel54214
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Thor...(this will be a bit hard for me, but willing to participate), in my younger days lol, I was fortunate to have know a very special Lady and her family. She was a teacher and then I was in banking business. We worked together in Astronomy with a local college and set up student seminars and activities for local grammer and high schools. The telescopes we used were very very professional and expensive, some of the best back then on the market. This very special lady's name was Christa McAuliffe, who died on the Challenger space expedition.
Alos had the great honor of working with June Armstrong, (Neil's daughter). She shared the story of Father in the Apollo project, and shared her private photos. Told us her fears of her Father being in space, and all the wonders in the mind of the cosmos.
During these projects, students would ask endless questions, even about God which were the hardest of all to answer. But some how, we would find the best to our abilities to satisfy their curious minds. Even in a childs mind, searches for God and on their path through life, they learn new and experienced things.
So in man's mind, a piece of beautiful pottery that sits on a mantle to be admired, has no functional purpose, but to be admired. But when that pottery comes to life as a human being, it can contribute it's beauty or it can contribute the uglyness. So as mankind reaches for the stars with the child like questions of wonder, I leave my post with one; Is the real search, the attempt to discover the living God?
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| Jun 16 @ 9:37 AM |
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Thor1960303
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Shouldnt matter at all what you believe is true,but since you allready believe the way you do,why ask questions you allready know your answers for?
Are you confirming that you believe thusly?:
Are we wasting our time looking for life on Mars?Do you think God is pleased with man's achievements is space,or do you believe we're treading into places where we shouldn't go?Did God place the stars out of our reach and so cripple us to stay in our own solar system,maybe even our own lunar orbit?Does this make space travel attempts blasphemy?
If I knew the answers,why would I ask them?I want to know how this fits in with your religious beliefs.By the lack of response it's clear to me that this is a challenge most Christians aren't up for.You guys will hear a call to arms when someone calls your belief delusional,but this is something that requires thought OUTSIDE of your myopic little view of reality (I use that word loosely)
Shouldnt matter at all what you believe is true,but since you allready believe the way you do,why ask questions you allready know your answers for?
Look at your answer to the first person to answer you.
What a crock!
Did you look at the context where I used this expression?Look again at the whole context.
Go to fixedearth.com for some real entertaining BS.I believe even the more intelligent Christian writer ,CS Lewis believed that for man to attempt interstellar travel was blasphemy because God (in his opinion) had placed uncrossable distances between stars.
What a crock!
I was referring to the belief on the site fixedearth.com (and if you swallow that guy's drivel,there's no hope for you),and CS Lewis's belief that attempt at interstellar space flight was blasphemy.I was not responding negatively to CanadianBBW's post,in fact if you read her post,you'll see that she and I are somewhat agreed.
So as mankind reaches for the stars with the child like questions of wonder, I leave my post with one; Is the real search, the attempt to discover the living God? Perhaps,Angel,it could also lead to the death of belief in a personal God as we learn more about the makeup of the cosmos and it's origins,and I think that's what has most fundamentalist Christians running scared from science.I think this is the reason why none of our resident Fundy Christians here don't want to attempt to tackle these questions, regardless of how they want to appear all hurt wearing their hearts on their shirtsleeves.
Good stories,Angel.You are very fortunate indeed to have met Christie MacAuliffe and Niel Armstrong's family.In my profession,I've had the honor to have met several astronauts,including Buzz Aldrin,Edgar Mitchell and Story Musgrave.
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| Jun 16 @ 6:05 PM |
What's the Christian perspective of space travel and the future?
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Thor1960303
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Just as no Christian could come up with a contemporary historian who corroborated the NT,none except Angel,who's not a fundy,could come up with an intelligent answer. 
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| Jun 16 @ 8:40 PM |
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uncrazy
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Angel54,
Is the real search, the attempt to discover the living God?
And perhaps we search the stars because we know the ancients told that they had arrived from the stars and returned to them...and would come again.
Nephilin...those who came down from heaven.
When we find tablet of destinies...it is to have all of man's history, past and future, our knowledge of history will shake our current understandings, just as the temple of time said to be beneath the right paw of the sphinx.
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| Jun 16 @ 8:52 PM |
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16knots
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You know in the buddhist perspective their is no point and no need for "space travel."
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| Jun 16 @ 8:56 PM |
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uncrazy
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16knots,
My teacher would tell me this in two ways...
All realities are available for me at anytime...I only need to choose them...
As above, so below...as within, so without.
And where else could time and space be folded but inside the perceiver. The interior folding will alter what we see in front of us...
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| Jun 16 @ 9:02 PM |
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16knots
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uncrazy
exactly so 
I wish one day these things are spoken about openly.
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| Jun 16 @ 9:53 PM |
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BandTMom
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More and more is being allowed to be spoken aloud.
I am grateful for this.
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| Jun 17 @ 9:27 AM |
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Thor1960303
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16 knots and bandtmom....outstanding!  
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| Jun 17 @ 12:54 PM |
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Thor1960303
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The lack of responses from the likes of Hunt,SoC,Bev and the like, make my point very well.
I've posted this type of thing before on other religious forums (worded differently for the benefit of folks that I don't know as well as I do here) and I get the same response...or lack thereof.
It shows me that fundy Christians just can't think outside of their own myopic view of reality.To them,there can't possibly be a future where man may one day colonize other planets because it would conflict with their eschatological view.Why should man go into space when Jesus is coming back someday to take them all away?
This is one of the many opinions held by Christians,which in my mind makes any one who espouses such a belief unfit to hold any public office or do any job that puts them in a decision making process that would in any way effect the future, ,because to them,there really is no future without their mythical Jesus returning in the clouds on a white horse.
Such folk should NOT have any federal budgetary authority.I could see NASA's budget after a fundy got a hold of it.They would be lucky if they could afford bottle rockets for the 4th of July.
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| Jun 17 @ 2:14 PM |
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joe_kerr
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I've spoken to several over the years who are in opposition to space travel and use the story of the tower of Babel to back their beliefs.
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| Jun 17 @ 2:38 PM |
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Thor1960303
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I've spoken to several over the years who are in opposition to space travel and use the story of the tower of Babel to back their beliefs.
I heard a whole sermon on that when I was around 11.If I had not been in church with my family,I would've walked out then and there.The idiot who was preaching was a guest evangelist and he blasted the Apollo program as a waste of money calling the lunar rover an 8 million dollar dune buggy for the godless scientists to explore a dead world for people (referring to NASA and scientists) with dead faith.He even suggested that the fire of Apollo One where Grissom,Chaffe and White were killed was "God's proof that the stars weren't man's place."
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| Jun 17 @ 2:51 PM |
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joe_kerr
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I've also heard some use the Challenger explosion as a way to explain that it's not God's desire for man to explore space. I've always asked, "If he doesn't want us to explore space, why stick it there in our faces? Why not just put us in an inescapable bubble?" So far I've not gotten any reasonable answers.
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| Jun 17 @ 2:55 PM |
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Thor1960303
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Why not just put us in an inescapable bubble?"
I've actually heard otherwise intelligent people who have been mentally crippled by dogma say that there is an "inescapable bubble" and they refer to the Van Allen Belts and these poor fools actually believe that the moon landings were faked in a studio and they either believe that man has never been in space or never been beyond earth's orbit.
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