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TRABADOUR
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John15
1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name’s sake, because they know not him that sent me.
22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.
23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
Are there any Christian brothers and sisters out their that care to comment on what this passage of scripture means to you?
I will begin by making a comment on something that came to mind.
The branch is an extension of the vine. Without the life source that flows through the vine to the branch, how can the branch be fruitful and multiply.
A natural vine can produce sweet grapes from a pile of manure.
If the manure is willing to go through the growing process required, It can be changed and transformed into something beautiful. 
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| Jun 20 @ 9:02 PM |
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hammertime
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A natural vine can produce sweet grapes from a pile of manure.
Not if its bull manure.
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| Jun 20 @ 9:08 PM |
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BandTMom
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I think he is hunting for answers.
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| Jun 20 @ 9:15 PM |
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16knots
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Okay, Ill play your silly game. Dont wish you to rapture again.
John15
1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
...over-bearing jealous and selfish.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
the cause for psychological disorder as the fledgling isnt allowed to leave the nest 
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
Very loving and compassionate 
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Tell that to the children's wards
8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples
That selfish, mean hypercrit He kills nations, men, women and children on a whim.
9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
Full of himself
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
If not... what? Kill, destroy, famine, pestilence, hell fire, eternal damnation Evil bastard!
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
You have to die for this megamaniac
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
This creep loves hate huh... guess he will want you to kill for him soon...
22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.
23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
Wot... more hating???? One hell of a sob story!!!
25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
So this nut case said we will sin if we dont fallow him in his hate to this person or the next and do you know what that means???? Thats right... you guessed it... hellfire and eternal damnation.
"My way of the high way baby" Hasta la vista babe!
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| Jun 20 @ 9:28 PM |
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sail_dancer
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The branch is an extension of the vine. Without the life source that flows through the vine to the branch, how can the branch be fruitful and multiply.
And what good is a root without branches? It is useless isn't it!
Peace
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| Jun 20 @ 9:30 PM |
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16knots
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Heard of grafting or "cuttings" 
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| Jun 20 @ 9:33 PM |
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sail_dancer
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A root needs a branch just as much as a branch needs a root to produce fruit.
Peace
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| Jun 20 @ 9:35 PM |
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BandTMom
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But some produce nuts. 
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| Jun 20 @ 9:38 PM |
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hammertime
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What about mushrooms? They only need manure (shit). Thats certainly inspiration for religiosity. Its bull manure (bullshit).
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| Jun 20 @ 9:42 PM |
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sail_dancer
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But some produce nuts.
God has no problem in producing nuts!
He needs healthy branches to produce fruit.
Peace
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| Jun 20 @ 9:45 PM |
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sail_dancer
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What about mushrooms?
Mushrooms are fungi. Far from being fruit. They don't even have roots.
Peace
[Edited on 6/20/2008 9:50 PM]
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| Jun 20 @ 9:45 PM |
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hammertime
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16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. Now there's a profound lie. How many have asked for something and have gotten nothing or something else? Its the same as asking for the same thing from a grapefruit. Lots of excuses are made up for this one. Its a total fable bull manure verse.
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| Jun 20 @ 10:26 PM |
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j_goose
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Hi, Hunt, god to see you.
Is it Foggy in here or what?
Did you forget something in your preacher thread???
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| Jun 20 @ 10:40 PM |
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BandTMom
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Now we have proof of reincarnation!
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| Jun 20 @ 10:41 PM |
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LaughTillYaPuke
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But...but....the body didn't even get a chance to stink yet!
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| Jun 20 @ 10:48 PM |
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j_goose
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| Jun 20 @ 11:12 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Trabadour, thank you for this encouraging post.
I believe He starts by telling us about the series of trials each Believer will face as they begin their relationship with Jesus.
As they, (the new Follower), will face difficulties, this is not to be unexpected.
This is simply part of the pruning process.
And though we are not told in the passage, as time continues, and as we find ourselves experiencing this same procedure several times; the discomfort we might feel as a result of His pruning, begins to lose intensity.
The sooner that we show that we understand the lessons He is teaching, then the sooner these lessons will discontinue.
He teaches us things with the hope that we will learn the lesson He is teaching. He is not punishing us.
Many times a person will understand all hardships + problems in their life to be a form of punishment. Often people will equate their hardships with having done something wrong.
 This simply is not true.
Sometimes hardship is simply spiritual guidance. In many instances, the hardships are very short-lived. I believe this is known as discipline.
The lesson is over.
But will the lesson be repeated?
How quickly do we learn? Or how rebellious will we be?
Sorry I'm not responding to the entire passage. 
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Corrected the spelling of his name.
[Edited on 6/20/2008 11:38 PM]
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| Jun 20 @ 11:29 PM |
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Jankia
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The scripture you posted Trabadour is an encouraging reminder to always hold true in Christ no matter how great those that oppose him try to influence you otherwise.
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| Jun 20 @ 11:46 PM |
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hammertime
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Whats encouraging ? What's being encouraged is the self deluded lie that scripture tells. That is, the superstitious belief in invisible spirits, ghosts and imaginary beings. Given some adherents are mentally ill, they can manufacture in their deranged minds a movie reel fantasy imagery thats being described. Weak minds succumb to religious fantasies as their lives are so pathetic without the dope to pacify their disturbed minds.
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| Jun 21 @ 12:09 AM |
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Angel54214
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Are there any Christian brothers and sisters out their that care to comment on what this passage of scripture means to you? There is much said in the few words of the first verse alone:
1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Jesus tells his Disciples he is the true vine; sent from the Father and by the Father. He grew in human form as the one true vine to start the vineyard (kingdom).
Jesus points to the Father as being the husbandman; the tiller of the ground (creator of the earth), the sower of the seed (Christ the vine). The husbandman takes delicate care of the vine to grow straight. The husbandman carefully waters and shines it's glory for it's perfect growth and subdues it for all it's days that it gives abundant fruit.
2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Again...the Father husbandman in his constant caretaking of the vine as it sprouts to a vineyard in branches. In patient waiting, watches all the branches as they grow and prunes those that do not bear any budded fruits. The are removed so new branches will grow that will come to fruitation. This was also true with the growing vineyard (kingdom), of the Disciples.
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. They have been pruned and watered by the true vine (Christ), through his word that was first formed by the Father...the husbandman where he first was rooted from.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. Jesus tells his Disciples to abide in him, for if they separate from him, they will not be injoined of the true vine and he can not continue to nourish them from him.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. Again, he tells his Disciples he is the vine and tells them they are the branches that come forth from him; the vine. Without him, they can not bear fruit. In the previous chapter, Jesus tells his Disciples, that without the Father, he can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned If the man is not growing from the true vine, but is of another, the branch receives not the proper nourishments of that vine then dries up and can not bear any fruitation; it is useless and serves no ornate purpose.
It's a long chapter, so I will stop here for now, but this is what I get so far from the scriptures.
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