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hammertime
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The topic was only one vine is true while all others are false. Thats like AstroTurf being considered false grass yet works better.
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| Jun 22 @ 6:46 PM |
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jamminjerry
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Angel, although not the answer i sought ( the hint is the word "first") still a very logical and wise answer. and so, who do you follow? Jesus or paul? both have said unto you "follow me...". i follow Jesus and am very cautious of paul. we be jammin  to me Jesus is the vine and we are the branches. and the trunk, who would that be? and the root system, who would that be? the leaves! the aphids? the fruit? on and on we could go with this particular game. Jesus is not the foundation of my beliefs, the words attributed to him are. and i have no doubt that those words are from our Father and not the holy father LOL don't you love this game of semantics!! LOL
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| Jun 22 @ 7:06 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Jerry,
I think what you are looking for is "seek first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all things shall be revealed to you".
We be Jammin' Jerry!
Peace
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| Jun 22 @ 8:49 PM |
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Angel54214
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Ok Jerry....trivia! 
who do you follow? Jesus or paul? both have said unto you "follow me...". i follow
Well you know my answer even without saying. 
Paul did mention something in regards to following at the Corinth church....
1Cor. 1:
11 My brothers, some from Chloe's household have informed me that there are quarrels among you.
12 What I mean is this, one of you says, "I follow Paul"; another, "I follow Apollos" another "I follow Cephas " still another, "I follow Christ."
13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul?
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| Jun 22 @ 9:10 PM |
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hammertime
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 What use was a vine to Jesus when he didn't use grapes to make his wine? Wouldn't a river, stream or lake metaphor be closer to the truth?
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| Jun 23 @ 1:07 AM |
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Angel54214
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They did use water....
John 2:
7 Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.
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| Jun 23 @ 9:13 AM |
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sail_dancer
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Angel,
You missed Hammer's point completely. It went right over your head!
Peace
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| Jun 23 @ 10:35 AM |
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Angel54214
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Sail..I believe you tripped over this one too. v v v
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angel and saildancer, don't talk to each other if you cant say something nice or civil. Now you have my reply 
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| Jun 23 @ 10:44 AM |
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sail_dancer
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Angel,
Why did you take what I said as an attack?
I think you completely missed Hammer's point. How is that an attack?
Peace
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| Jun 23 @ 12:50 PM |
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hunt4luv
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Perhaps the point was Ignored. Was their an intelligent discussion attempt being made or was it just more of the same sarcasm we have become accustomed to
from the wolf pack.
This Chapter is very deep in its teachings and is full of metaphor and analogy.
Whole books have been written on just a few verses. If you want to limit a passages meaning to face value then that is all that will be received from it.
If you are willing to delve into the depths of the word of God then Wisdom shall be found.
If we are his he will be seen in our character and in the person we become as we Grow up in him. Not one of us is perfect. The Question is are we Growing.
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| Jun 23 @ 12:56 PM |
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hammertime
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This Chapter is very deep in its teachings and is full of metaphor and analogy.
Metaphor and what? Analogy or allegory?
Of course, stories are fables...very good...When are the stories believed to be literal? A literal levitation. A literal resurrection. A literal spare rib that becomes a women. A literal talking ass. 
What good is mythology when its being read by psychopaths?
[Edited on 6/23/2008 1:05 PM]
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| Jun 23 @ 1:15 PM |
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hunt4luv
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Hammertime wisdom lives in these words. They are meant to be teachers.
Yes at times allegory fits the description as well. But the true teacher that opens the layers of truth is the Holy spirit. Without it a wrong perception of what truly is being portrayed will be present. You have some insight into scripture which tells me that you have a history with God. It isn't given to everyone. Yet bitterness can steal away the truth and twist it till it becomes unrecognizable.
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| Jun 23 @ 1:20 PM |
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hammertime
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There is no wisdom when scripture its used as a motivation to be divisive as in interpreting the wrong vine being other religions and faiths of other cultures. The wrong vine is simply listening to the wrong person even in the same religion. Its a very simple lesson.
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| Jun 23 @ 1:33 PM |
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hunt4luv
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The vine has life flowing through it. I agree there are many in Christianity who don't have that spirit and they are cast of and tossed into the fire along with all the rest that are of darkness. Every time I challenge another Christians teachings who embraces Other Gods( religions ,beliefs etc) and tries to mix dark with light I question it. and have been accused of attacking Christians because of it. I believe I am just standing for the Purity Of what is meant to be Christianity. If this is followed we are given power to become sons of God. If it isn't we are left with another week example of self trying to adorn himself as God.
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| Jun 23 @ 1:38 PM |
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hammertime
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As you delve deeper into your dogma will only result in deeper delusions. Other religions and faiths have overlapping truths in their myths. Thats a proven fact.
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| Jun 23 @ 2:00 PM |
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hunt4luv
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Hammer wisdom is not religion. Many religions attach themselves to a piece of wisdom, and then run in a different direction with it. Usually bending around to self elevation. Their are many constants in life that are absolute truths that do not belong to one religion. There is much good in many religions but the evil in them that negates the Good is the tendency to dishonor ones creator and not see and understand, we are what separates ourselves from God. Pride, selfishness, and greed are Opposites of love. If all treated all as a part of the whole think of the unity it would bring to this world. God is Love.
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| Jun 23 @ 2:17 PM |
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LanceVarden7
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I believe in "practice what you preach" Hypocrites bore me.
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| Jun 23 @ 2:17 PM |
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16knots
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Hunt:
Hammer wisdom is not religion. Many religions attach themselves to a piece of wisdom, and then run in a different direction with it.
Did I hear you correctly?
...wisdom is not religion...
No it is not for certainty. So why have religion with it? What is more important wisdom or religion?
Usually bending around to self elevation. Their are many constants in life that are absolute truths that do not belong to one religion. There is much good in many religions but the evil in them that negates the Good is the tendency to dishonor ones creator and not see and understand, we are what separates ourselves from God. Pride, selfishness, and greed are Opposites of love. If all treated all as a part of the whole think of the unity it would bring to this world. God is Love.
... now you lost it... back to religion! No wisdom!
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| Jun 23 @ 2:20 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Hunt,
If all treated all as a part of the whole think of the unity it would bring to this world. Now if only christianity would adopt that policy, conflicts between religions would be reduced drastically.
Peace
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| Jun 23 @ 2:23 PM |
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LanceVarden7
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Now if only christianity would adopt that policy, conflicts between religions would be reduced drastically. If even only hunt adopted it, conflicts on this forum would reduce drastically
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