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LanceVarden7
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It is sort of the reverse of the old "The devil made me do it"
What is strange is that, the "devil" version used to be a common catch phrase, but really the other version is the one you need to watch out for.
Big time.
When you hear someone say something likeI am here only because I care about people and the truth being brought forth. There are many baby Christians that read these forums that can and could be led astray.
That is a lie.
It is a falsehood
A heinous deception.
Ok, so what is the big deal?
First off, let me say, that I think it is great if someone who has been a Christian for a while is able to mentor someone who has recently taken up the religion (as long as they WANT the mentoring). That doesn't apply here. There is no one here like that, and even if there was, the proper venue for it is not a public forum but privately.
So, someone used that as an excuse to come on this forum and belittle other people to try to make themselves look all holy.
So what?
Here's what.
It is one thing to do evil works. It is quite another to work evil and proclaim it to be in God's name.
Not only is that a blasphemy, it is also dangerous.
Some of the worst atrocities in history have occurred when people claimed they were acting on the authority of the almighty. Too often, the populace is reluctant to challenge it, and the evil worker gets a blank check to do as they will.
Dammit! We have hung too many (supposed) witches! People should not and can not tolerate someone doing wrong in the name of God.
If someone invokes the name of God in order to mistreat someone else, even on a small scale, it is a shameful abomination.
That is the view from here.
[Edited on 7/18/2008 9:32 AM]
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| Jul 18 @ 9:32 AM |
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j_goose
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Another great post, Lance.
Did I ever tell you how sexy you look first thing in the morning.
Even though you are a Christian.... 
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| Jul 18 @ 9:34 AM |
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sail_dancer
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Lance,
If someone invokes the name of God in order to mistreat someone else, even on a small scale, it is a shameful abomination.
Well stated!
Peace
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| Jul 18 @ 9:45 AM |
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Thor1960303
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Some of the worst atrocities in history have occurred when people claimed they were acting on the authority of the almighty.
This is the root behind cults, among other bad things like suicide bombers and abortion clinic bombers. Cults are not about a person's well being, physically,mentally,spiritually (emotionally) or financially. They're about power and control. A person who is claiming such, is after control, they thrive on it like a drug and they may actually believe that they hold some kind of divine truth that the rest of the religious world is ignorant to.
They're bunco artists at best, megalomaniacs an pedophiles at worst. Avoid these people like plague. Many of these types have a natural talent to attract people who you would think are too intelligent to fall for such. Bad news! 
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| Jul 18 @ 10:35 AM |
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uab_5
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God can only steer us in the right direction and delviver us from temptation.
We still have the power of free choice.
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| Jul 18 @ 10:45 AM |
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j_goose
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here's the thing on that, uab. and something I can't grasp.
If you have free will to decide, how can you truly decide freely when the Bible pushes you to obey and honor god for salvation?
Isn't that influencing free will at it's core?
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| Jul 18 @ 12:07 PM |
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bevrice
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Lol, lance, you are so much wrong.
The Lord didn't spend all his time training disciples and making sure they continued in the truth for nothing. He doesn't waste my time by making me do things that are not profitable for Him and the kingdom.
Lance, you are lukewarm, and don't even come close to being the Christian you profess to be, who are you trying to fool? You are so lacking in knowledge and doctrine as to be dangerous to others who are just becoming Christians, and YES, I am here for them. I am not here for you, you refuse to be the Christian that you should be. You refuse to learn doctrine and Bible, you don't even understand the Bible, only pick out pieces of it that suit you. You should discuss your beliefs and take this forum to your minister. Go print up all that I have written and take it to him. Be sure to take all the posts you have made, especially the ones you make over and over and over, your diatribes. Take the ones where you judge, take the ones where you used the d word and curse, take the ones where you called names, lance. I would be glad to take them all to my minister for a commentary, would you like that? You should be very careful in presenting the truth, the word, you should be very knowledgeable about WHAT you present, and how you present it. You should be very sure that you are qualified to present it, that you have the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the gifts that go with that. You know the disciples were not even allowed to minister until they received that baptism, even though they had had the water baptism, for ONLY then are you guided and led by the Spirit of the Lord. You will be held accountable for your words, you know. I know that and accept that, you should do the same. You should only submit your postings after considering if they line up with God's word and after praying that you do not misrepresent the word, lance.
Lol, when the atheists and agnostics agree with you, that says volumes.
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| Jul 18 @ 12:13 PM |
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willowy1
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Great post I am not an atheist and I agree with your thoughts one hundred percent!
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| Jul 18 @ 12:24 PM |
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uab_5
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BTW forgive me for my use of the royal we. I recognise that I can only speak for my sinful nature.
If any of you are sinless. I do apologize in advance.
Matthew 6 said:
Our Father who is in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
Your kingdom come
Your will be done,
On earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.
This is commonly called the Lord's Prayer.
God made man with the ability to chose right from wrong, yet [royal] we chose often to do wrong.
Back in the OT days, a blood offering of a calf, a pigeon, a lamb, etc was necessary to erase a sin as a sacrifice to God.
Jesus recognised [royal] our sinful nature because [royal] we often cose wrong over right. He elected to become the ultimate blood sacrifice for us, and thus exstinguishing all sins [royal] we may commit once [royal] we chose to believe in him.
Back to the question. Does God influence us?
Yes and no.
God will point us in the right direction, as the devil and his demons will pull us toward his side, but it is ultimately up to us to make the right decision.
If [royal] we make the wrong decision, [royal] we need to recognise the error of [royal] our ways, makes amends as quickly as possible, and attempt to go forth and sin no more.
Of couse go forth and sin no more is BS because only the dead are incapable of not sinning.
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| Jul 18 @ 12:27 PM |
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unionman154
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I don't believe in the Devil.
I believe in my Evil Twin. 
He is constantly making me lust
Willow have I told you lately your Beautiful? 
I Lust once again. Dam my ET. 
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| Jul 18 @ 12:31 PM |
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bevrice
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Amen, uab, you got it exactly right.
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| Jul 18 @ 12:31 PM |
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uab_5
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Thank you, Bev.
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| Jul 18 @ 12:51 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Willow,
Whose post were you referring to?
Peace
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| Jul 18 @ 1:27 PM |
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LanceVarden7
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Lance, you are lukewarm, and don't even come close to being the Christian you profess to be, who are you trying to fool? LOL, if you think you are important enough for me to bother about trying to impress, you are sadly mistaken.
YES, I am here for them. Who specifically? Where are these "baby Christians" that you think need or want your mentoring? If they did exist, you could easily handle it by email
you refuse to be the Christian that you should be. Bev, can you REALLY not see why no one on here likes you, after making sweeping judgemental statements like that?
Go print up all that I have written and take it to him. Sorry. Your posts are barely worth a quick skim, let alone the bother of a print out.
I would be glad to take them all to my minister for a commentary, would you like that?  Whatever. It holds no interest for me either way.
You should be very careful in presenting the truth, the word, you should be very knowledgeable about WHAT you present, and how you present it. You should be very sure that you are qualified to present it, that you have the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the gifts that go with that. You know the disciples were not even allowed to minister until they received that baptism, even though they had had the water baptism, for ONLY then are you guided and led by the Spirit of the Lord. You will be held accountable for your words, you know. I know that and accept that, you should do the same. You should do this, you should do that. Did anyone really read all the way through all of that mindless drivel?
Bev, YOU should worry about fixing yourself, instead of everyone else. I wager that wouild be enough to keep you busy for a while.
You should only submit your postings after considering if they line up with God's word and after praying that you do not misrepresent the word, lance. Sorry, but you are not an MD mod. I am not interested in whether of not you like/agree with my posts.
Great post I am not an atheist and I agree with your thoughts one hundred percent! Thanks Willow
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| Jul 18 @ 1:28 PM |
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willowy1
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 Sorry I was addressing Lance
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| Jul 18 @ 1:30 PM |
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LanceVarden7
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Thanks Willow.
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| Jul 18 @ 1:41 PM |
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willowy1
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Do I presume to tell others what they should believe? No!!!!! Even if I conclude that someone's belief is irrational, I try not to assert that they therefore should not believe it.
I am not here for you, you refuse to be the Christian that you should be. You refuse to learn doctrine and Bible, you don't even understand the Bible, only pick out pieces of it that suit you. ^^Bev I don't see that as being a very good Christian.  What would Jesus say?
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| Jul 18 @ 1:41 PM |
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j_goose
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God will point us in the right direction, as the devil and his demons will pull us toward his side, but it is ultimately up to us to make the right decision.
This is a topic I tried to bring up before. ANd one I don't honestly understand.
If you are given a "choice" to either follow god and be saved, or not follow god and be damned, how is free will even involved?
I mean who would want to be damned? It seems like god only offers ONE choice.
Does that make sense?
Lol, when the atheists and agnostics agree with you, that says volumes.
Oh, but BEv, I thought you were never condecending to those who are not Christian!!
book mark this one also people!!!
WWJD=What would J_Goose do?
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| Jul 18 @ 1:45 PM |
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LanceVarden7
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Do I presume to tell others what they should believe? No!!!!! Even if I conclude that someone's belief is irrational, I try not to assert that they therefore should not believe it. Bev, you could learn from this girl. Maybe she could mentor you, and help get you started down the right path.
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| Jul 18 @ 1:53 PM |
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bevrice
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So, lance, you don't care if your posts line up with the word?
That is okay, lance, like I said, you will be held accountable for your words, and not by me, for sure.
The Lord fixes ME, maybe that is your problem, you try to fix yourself.
Strange that you won't submit any of this to your minister, why?
You know, lance, the Bible warns against false teachings and lukewarmness. Do you have the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Are you led by the Spirit of God, or are you motivated by self, which is what comes forth until you have that and REALLY know Him and the word?
I have posted scripture to refute your judging scripture. You should have known all the rest of it, lance, instead of just that one scripture. You should have known that it says to judge not lest I be judged guilty. That means in the same measure that I judged you, will I be judged. Not that I shouldn't judge. That is why I am so cautious. I tried to help you and lead you in the right direction. Cursing is not of the Lord, the Bible calls that a foul, cursing spirit, you know, lance. Since when is anyone burning witches anymore, lol.
Oh, well, I tried, lance, I cannot help you, cannot instruct you. Continue on, but be aware that when you misguide others that I can do nothing but present things in truth, and it is all right to disagree with me, that is not wrong, but do it in a Christian way, present your side to me and let me discuss with you. Don't fall into the trap of trying to be popular or liked, that is definitely not what it is all about.
I care about you, I really DO, but I also care about what you are bringing forth.
Would it really hurt you to study the word, ask the guidance of the Holy Spirit and pray about things before you post them, lance? That is very little to ask of any Christian, you know, and we all should do that.
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