| Jul 18 @ 1:56 PM |
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willowy1
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This is only my opinion but good and evil dwells within all of us. God and the Devil are the ying and yang. Good cop bad cop. For every action there is an equal and oppisite reaction and all that rot. 
Our free will comes into play by the choices we make when nobody is looking..
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| Jul 18 @ 2:12 PM |
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LanceVarden7
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^^^^ Now that is someone with a brain who is on the right track (IMHO)
So, lance, you don't care if your posts line up with the word? Bev, you are not the word. You are not God. I could care less if my thoughts line up with yours. Quite the contrary, if they ever did, I would become concerned
The Lord fixes ME I think that you still need a few more visits to the shop>
Strange that you won't submit any of this to your minister, why? I don't answer to you. What I do, or don't do is NOYB. Bev, can you really not see how condescending you are. This is the reason people don't like you. This is the reason you have no real hope of ministering to anyone effectively.
That means in the same measure that I judged you, will I be judged. If so, then you ought to be worried.
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| Jul 18 @ 2:13 PM |
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uab_5
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Willow. 
I mean who would want to be damned? It seems like god only offers ONE choice.
Does that make sense?
My point exactly.
I'll talk about my own sins because I cannot and should not talk about others fault...
I'm a gluton. I consume more resources than I generate. I can't help it. I keep three sizes of clothes available depending on how well I stick to my diet.
I hold resentments. They don't drive meto the bottle any more, but they are still there.
I know that there are other sins that I commit that I'm not mentioning.
The best I can do is accept that I am a sinner, make my ammends, and ask my Savior Jesus Christ to forgive me and remove those defects of character from me.
ststephenumc.net/sermons/2005/20050619.htm said:
John Wesley, the founder of Methodism, the father or our denominational faith, believed that all the while we are walking away from God, with our backs turned away from God, that God is still loving us, and wooing us back to Himself. Wesley called this love from God, this love that seeks us even before we acknowledge God, even before we really know who God is, Wesley called this love prevenient grace. Prevenient grace. The grace of God that comes before. Now there are those denominations who believe that God takes no notice of us until we take notice of Him, but Wesley believed, and as Methodists we believe that our relationship with God always, always starts with God. Prevenient grace.
Then there comes a time, and it is different for all of us, for some of us it is a momentary thing where we can name the time and place, for some of us it is a process, but there comes a time when we turn and face God. A time when we acknowledge who God is, and who we are in relationship to God. And Wesley called that justifying grace. Justifying grace, the love of God in Jesus that leads us, and allows us, to turn and be in relationship with God.
And then finally, the grace of God that enables us, and motivates us, and empowers us to walk back toward that image of God, to reclaim that image of God in which we are created, that is sanctifying grace – sanctifying grace because it is holy, and the work of the Holy Spirit of God within us. Wesley believed that because of the sanctifying grace of God, it is possible to be made perfect in this life. It is possible to be made perfect in this life.
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Christian perfection means freedom from purposeful sin, freedom from purposeful sin, and Christian perfection also means complete motivation by love and love alone. Can you imagine what the world, what our city, what this church would be like if we were all free from purposeful sin and motivated only by love?? Perfection, or holiness, is possible only through the Holy Spirit of God which dwells, even now in this moment, within each one of us.
Now in some ways, it would be easier to reject this idea of perfection. We love the phrase “well I’m only human” because it allows us to feel excused from our shortcomings and our brokenness, and yet to say “only human” implies that humanity, as created by God, is somehow inevitably incomplete or imperfect. We do live in an imperfect world. There is no way to deny that. And the imperfections of the world will continually effect us. Yet Wesley believed, as Paul believed, that these imperfections don’t have to be absorbed into ourselves. For God’s strength is continually made perfect in the midst of weakness and brokenness.
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| Jul 18 @ 2:51 PM |
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Thor1960303
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God will point us in the right direction, as the devil and his demons will pull us toward his side, but it is ultimately up to us to make the right decision.
What we have here, is not a disagreement of religion or morality, but a disagreement of REALITY. Let me reiterate here : There are no invisible people living inside anyone's head, only the individual's thoughts. Anyone who believes that invisible people live inside their head and influence their decision making processes is flirting with mental illness..PERIOD.
Let's think about this for a moment. If someone sits outside of a public building and proceeds to have a conversation with Batman and Dr. Zaius, most people would assume them to be a victim of schizophrenia or some other mental illness. Now if a bunch of people enter a public building for the sole purpose of communication with invisible beings, we call that spirituality and religion. No wonder we're such a screwed up society who is more worrried about how Hollywood people (that is people who make their living pretending to be mythical persons) live than about things that really matter.
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| Jul 18 @ 3:00 PM |
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uab_5
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Thor said:
What we have here, is not a disagreement of religion or morality, but a disagreement of REALITY. Let me reiterate here : There are no invisible people living inside anyone's head, only the individual's thoughts. Anyone who believes that invisible people live inside their head and influence their decision making processes is flirting with mental illness..PERIOD.
Han Solo said:
Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.
Obi Wan said:
The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.
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| Jul 18 @ 3:02 PM |
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16knots
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....some wisdom at last!
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| Jul 18 @ 3:05 PM |
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uab_5
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Thor,
What is a structural engineer's ultimate outcome?
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| Jul 18 @ 3:11 PM |
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Thor1960303
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What is a structural engineer's ultimate outcome?
Never done your job, UAB, but I assume it's technical in nature. Your outcome should be an OBJECTIVE answer to whatever situation you are trouble shooting, analyzing or otherwise working. That's based on my experience with engineers and engineering in general.
Please explain how objectivity works in an ancient myth being as how it's subjective in nature.
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| Jul 18 @ 3:25 PM |
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uab_5
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You said the other day that structural enineers dealt with electronics.
Do me a favor and kiss the building that you are in and say "thank you structural engineer" because structural engineers design buildings.
That's proof that you don't do your research, so how can anything else you say be trusted?
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| Jul 18 @ 4:17 PM |
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Thor1960303
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so how can anything else you say be trusted?
I don't ask anyone to trust what I say. I merely present my opinions based on my own observations and research. Everyone is welcome to agree or disagree, but the only thing I ask for people is to do their own research and use their own minds. Sorry I didn't guess your occupation right, but I think it really doesn't matter, my intent was to look for objectivity. You still fail to show it, and I still don't understand how religion relates to your field. 
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| Jul 18 @ 4:57 PM |
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uab_5
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Not my field, bud. Get your facts or objectivity in order bfore you run your...fingers.
Former field.
FYI I'm applying for a position within a church near the capital of Alabama. I'll let you research that one.
Back to your original ignorance.
God is not some invisible people living inside anyone's head.
God is all around. God is the plants, the hearts and bodies of mankind, the sky.
God is all.
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| Jul 18 @ 5:04 PM |
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16knots
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GOD IS AN EVIL BASTARD.
You must destroy all the nations the LORD your God hands over to you. Show them no mercy and do not worship their gods. If you do, they will trap you. Perhaps you will think to yourselves, 'How can we ever conquer these nations that are so much more powerful than we are?'
But don't be afraid of them! Just remember what the LORD your God did to Pharaoh and to all the land of Egypt.
Remember the great terrors the LORD your God sent against them. You saw it all with your own eyes!
And remember the miraculous signs and wonders, and the amazing power he used when he brought you out of Egypt.
The LORD your God will use this same power against the people you fear.
And then the LORD your God will send hornets to drive out the few survivors still hiding from you! "No, do not be afraid of those nations, for the LORD your God is among you, and he is a great and awesome God.
The LORD your God will drive those nations out ahead of you little by little.
You will not clear them away all at once, for if you did, the wild animals would multiply too quickly for you. But the LORD your God will hand them over to you.
He will throw them into complete confusion until they are destroyed. He will put their kings in your power, and you will erase their names from the face of the earth. No one will be able to stand against you, and you will destroy them all. (Deuteronomy 7:16-24 NLT)
Worse than bloody Hitler with the Jews and Stalin against his peoples, Pol Pot and all the other evils of the world.
How can anyone seriously say this God is awesome and wonderful whilst watching him cause so much evil
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| Jul 18 @ 5:14 PM |
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uab_5
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The same way my lack of faith led me to a suicide attempt and the bottle, trusting a 400# whore who killed my Pit Bull, and missing the last seven years of my mother's life.
Because the same God has graced me with skills I never had before, platoons of friends, a beautiful girlfriend who wants to bear my children, a positive relationship with my earthly father, and a joy that I've never known before.
The concept is called faith. I can't see it, I can't explain, but I know it's there.
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| Jul 18 @ 5:17 PM |
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Thor1960303
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God is not some invisible people living inside anyone's head.
God is all around. God is the plants, the hearts and bodies of mankind, the sky.
God is all.
What you are describing is Pantheism. If your belief halted right there, I might agree with you. However, when that belief then takes on an anthropomorphic from, all objectivity ceases. God, then, becomes a character you created out of your imagination. You may base this character or your scripture/religion of choice, but when your belief degenerates into conversations going on inside your head, such as,
God will point us in the right direction, as the devil and his demons will pull us toward his side, but it is ultimately up to us to make the right decision.
you've jumped from explaining the animation of life to your own personal morality and created a host of invisible characters whom you apparently percieve to be influencing your actions. It still boils down to your imagination. Objectively, can you make a case to prove me wrong, other than Pointing to my ignorance for what a structural engineer does, which still misses the my point?
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| Jul 18 @ 5:19 PM |
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uab_5
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You win.
You've got to experience it to believe.
I sincerely hope you don't have to have shit shoved your nose like I did to get the message.
I've got to go tear my future b-i-l a new asshole and go to...guess where!
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| Jul 18 @ 5:21 PM |
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16knots
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Rubbish uab!
YOU are responsible for yourself! Your inner energy came from yourself or spiritual "others" that you do not truly know your connection with that helped you.
Go drug out on a few bottles of pills right now and kill yourself!!!! No god is going to give you too hoots! No god will stop you! The power that comes to aid you is within you. Within your own mind and ability to have awareness to do better than the shit state you get yourself into.
Have courage in your own abilities and dont make excuses for others. People do not get you into depressive mania and people do not get you out. It is ALL YOU! It IS your abilities that molds your life.
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| Jul 18 @ 5:23 PM |
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uab_5
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Bill Wilson says differently. He says I'm powerless.
Gotta run.
Hasta manana.
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| Jul 18 @ 5:25 PM |
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16knots
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no uab..... just weak.
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| Jul 18 @ 5:26 PM |
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BandTMom
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We control our lives.
Only us.
Nothing else.
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| Jul 18 @ 5:38 PM |
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Thor1960303
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I sincerely hope you don't have to have shit shoved your nose like I did to get the message.
Anyone attempting to insert feces or any other foriegn material or object into any of my bodily orifi is going to have a serious fight on their hands!
You've got to experience it to believe.
Been there, done that. Not for me, I prefer my reality straight up, with no ancient myths and invisible people. Tell me UAB, what held up the buildings you worked on? Some invisible mythical character dreamed up by primitive folk who looked up at the sky and made up stories to explain them or real physical priciples based on the laws of physics?
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