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BandTMom
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Sure it is. It's just another place for you to preach even though that's not what it's about.
The topic is pagan practices that Christianity has borrowed. Since you believe no such thing, why are you here?
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bevrice
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Lol, mom, those are simply Bible verses. I put them here so you could see why you and unbeliever cannot and will not ever understand what we are trying to say and what it is all about.
It is a discussion about Christianity, why would I NOT be on this one, mom. Why does that bother you?
[Edited on 7/19/2008 7:19 PM]
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| Jul 19 @ 7:19 PM |
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BandTMom
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And here I thought you were tired of posting the same things over and over.
I have a Bible. I don't need to read it here.
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| Jul 19 @ 7:20 PM |
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j_goose
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So Bev, you believe that Christianity and the similarities are from the second choice of options...
*For deception. As many early christians, and still some today believe that Satan was said to have use "plagiarism by anticipation".
Wow. Just wow.
I fvcking love this girl!!!
Lol, mom, those are simply Bible verses. I put them here so you could see why you and unbeliever cannot and will not ever understand what we are trying to say and what it is all about.
I USED to believe. USED TO. Then I read books other than the bible.
BTW Paul didn't know Jesus. No one who wrote ANY books of the Bible did.
{Awaiting the Copy/ paste}
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| Jul 19 @ 7:21 PM |
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bevrice
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It is simply the word. It only shows why you can't see or understand what we are trying to say or what we believe.
BTW, Paul did meet Jesus on the road to damascus. You know, as well, that he and the other disciples met all the time and discussed what they were given of the Holy Spirit, what they were ministering.
I read lots of those other books, too, studied and practiced other beliefs, other religions, got myself in hot water and full of garbage. They had nothing to offer me, nothing that I wanted. This was when I got the baptism of the Holy Spirit, which, by the way, puke, if you had ever received that, you would have no doubt of His existance and would never have left Christianity, nor would Mom, but not having that, you never really knew Him. I know, I have been there.
[Edited on 7/19/2008 7:26 PM]
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| Jul 19 @ 7:21 PM |
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BandTMom
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awaiting the source of the c&p
And who is "we".
Is there a mouse in your pocket??
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| Jul 19 @ 7:25 PM |
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Thor1960303
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I fvcking love this girl!!!
Ever feel bad about making fun of her? Kind of like pushing the fat, retarded kid in a ditch or pushing a wheelchair patient into traffic?.....Nah, me neither. 
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| Jul 19 @ 7:28 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Bev,
Now, there is where you and sail need to educate yourselves. It is you that needs to open your eyes and educate yourself about early christian beliefs. You are in a dogma box and refuse to see Jesus as the early christians did.
From "Gnosticism, Answers To Who We Are" by Dirk Gillabel
Jesus Christ, the Mystic Teacher
The Gnostics did not see Jesus as a teacher of sin and sorrow, but rather of what is illusion and of enlightenment. He did not come here to save us but to guide us to the spiritual, or inner, world. Once the student has arrived at enlightenment, Jesus is no longer his spiritual master because both have become the same. Jesus taught us how we ourselves can become like him.
Because the Gnostics saw the material world as evil, they could not accept a material, or bodily incarnation of Jesus. Jesus was seen as a divine being, and a divine being does not know suffering. So he could not had suffered and died on the cross. Jesus came here to bring Gnosis (Knowledge) about the true identity of the World, of the Demiurge and about who we really are.
For those Gnostics who saw Jesus as a human being, they made a distinction between the human Jesus and the divine Christ who worked through Jesus. In this case Jesus was a vehicle for Christ to fulfill his work on earth. Other Gnostics saw Jesus as a very advanced human who was directly inspired by the highest divinity.
In any case the divine being could not have suffered. Christ left the human Jesus before the suffering in his last days. Or, another human, looking like Jesus, took his place to fulfill a symbolic drama for the eyes of many people. Because a divine being can not suffer, the Gnostics looked at the Resurrection in a totally different way than the orthodox Christians. For the Gnostics human existence is like a spiritual death. The spiritual life of the divine pneuma in each human being has been severely diminished by the "weight" of physical matter. Resurrection is the moment of enlightenment. It is the revelation of what really exists, what is the spiritual or the divine. The Gnostics were not so much interested in historical facts of Jesus, but more in the possibility of meeting the resurrected Christ in the present. There were many Gnostic sects with differing beliefs, but they shared their knowledge in an effort to acheive gnosis (awakening). All Gnostics did however separate "Jesus" from "Christ", the "teacher" from the "divine being".
Peace
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| Jul 19 @ 7:30 PM |
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j_goose
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Ever feel bad about making fun of her? Kind of like pushing the fat, retarded kid in a ditch or pushing a wheelchair patient into traffic?.....Nah, me neither
Actually I was talking about Puke.... 
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| Jul 19 @ 7:33 PM |
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j_goose
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BTW, Paul did meet Jesus on the road to damascus. You know, as well, that he and the other disciples met all the time and discussed what they were given of the Holy Spirit, what they were ministering
No, Bev, he had a vision.
And Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were written WELL after the death of christ.
{awaiting Copy/paste}
Back to topic.....the story of Jesus' spitttle curing a blind man is taken from Vespatian.
I have a bunch of rituals to post, but it will be lengthy.
Great Thread, Puke!!! 
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| Jul 19 @ 7:34 PM |
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LaughTillYaPuke
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Hey baby...
Lol, mom, is this not a discussion of Christianity, Christian practices?
Actually NO...this is a thread about PAGAN practices and the "Christians" absorbing them into their dogma.
Please put your "Paul postings" in another thread.
I intended this thread to be used for mutal exploration and knowledge.
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| Jul 19 @ 7:34 PM |
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BandTMom
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I agree Goose.
Now your lengthy posts I will read.
[Edited on 7/19/2008 7:35 PM]
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| Jul 19 @ 7:35 PM |
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BandTMom
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I intended this thread to be used for mutal exploration and knowledge.
And it has been with one exception.
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| Jul 19 @ 7:38 PM |
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j_goose
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Unfortunately bev won't research
Halloween and it's origins
From: http://www.jeremiahproject.com/culture/halloween.html
History traces Halloween back to the ancient religion of the Celtics in Ireland. The Celtic people were very conscious of the spiritual world and had their own ideas of how they could gain access to it - such as by helping their over 300 gods to defeat their enemies in battle, or by imitating the gods in showing cleverness and cunning.
Their two main feasts were Beltane at the beginning of summer (May 1), and Samhain (pronounced Sah-ween) at the end of summer (Nov. 1). They believed Samhain was a time when the division between the two worlds became very thin, when hostile supernatural forces were active and ghosts and spirits were free to wander as they wished.
"During this interval the normal order of the universe is suspended, the barriers between the natural and the supernatural are temporarily removed, the sidh lies open and all divine beings and the spirits of the dead move freely among men and interfere sometimes violently, in their affairs"
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| Jul 19 @ 7:40 PM |
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j_goose
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From the same site:
When Christianity spread to parts of Europe, instead of trying to abolish these pagan customs, people tried to introduce ideas which reflected a more Christian world-view. Halloween has since become a confusing mixture of traditions and practices from pagan cultures and Christian tradition.
By A.D. 43, Romans had conquered the majority of Celtic territory. During their rule of the Celtic lands, Roman festivals were combined with the traditional Celtic celebration of Samhain. The Romans observed the holiday of Feralia, intended to give rest and peace to the departed. Participants made sacrifices in honor of the dead, offered up prayers for them, and made oblations to them. Another festival was a day to honor Pomona, the Roman goddess of fruit and trees. The symbol of Pomona is the apple and the incorporation of this celebration into Samhain probably explains the tradition of "bobbing" for apples that is practiced today on Halloween.
As the influence of Christianity spread into Celtic lands, in the 7th century, Pope Boniface IV introduced All Saints' Day, a time to honor saints and martyrs, to replace the pagan festival of the dead. It was observed on May 13. In 834, Gregory III moved All Saint's Day from May 13 to Nov. 1 and for Christians, this became an opportunity for remembering before God all the saints who had died and all the dead in the Christian community. Oct. 31 thus became All Hallows' Eve ('hallow' means 'saint').
Sadly, though, many of the customs survived and were blended in with Christianity. Numerous folk customs connected with the pagan observances for the dead have survived to the present.
In 1517, a monk named Martin Luther honored the faithful saints of the past by choosing All Saints Day (November 1) as the day to publicly charge the Church heirarchy with abandoning biblical faith. This became known as "Reformation Day," a fitting celebration of the restoration the same biblical faith held by the saints throughout church history. [What about Halloween?]
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LaughTillYaPuke
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I can't remember where I saw this, but someone mentioned Attis in another thread. I looked up a few things and found the following to be interesting...
According to an ancient Christian tradition, Christ died on MAR-23 and resurrected on MAR-25. These dates agree precisely with the death and resurrection of Attis.
In Attis, a bull was slaughtered while on a perforated platform. The animal's blood flowed down over an initiate who stood in a pit under the platform. The believer was then considered to have been "born again." Poor people could only afford a sheep, and so were literally washed in the blood of the lamb. This practice was interpreted symbolically by Christians.
Attis was reborn as the evergreen pine
Wheee! Christmas trees!!! 
Interesting stuff!
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| Jul 19 @ 7:42 PM |
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j_goose
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Too much for ya Bev?
One more..
again, same site...
Some trace the origins of present day "trick-or-treat" to Samhain, which was the supreme night of demonic jubilation. Spirits of the dead would rise out of their graves and wander the countryside, trying to return to the homes where they formerly lived. Frightened villagers tried to appease these wandering spirits by offering them gifts of fruit and nuts. They began the tradition of placing plates of the finest food and bits of treats that the household had to offer on their doorsteps, as gifts, to appease the hunger of the ghostly wanderers. If not placated, villagers feared that the spirits would kill their flocks or destroy their property.
The problem was... if the souls of dead loved ones could return that night, so could anything else,human or not, nice or not-so-nice. The only thing the superstitious people knew to do to protect themselves on such an occasion was to masquerade as one of the demonic hoard, and hopefully blend in unnoticed among them. Wearing masks and other disguises and blackening the face with soot were originally ways of hiding oneself from the spirits of the dead who might be roaming around. This is the origin of Halloween masquerading as devils, imps, ogres, and other demonic creatures.
Others trace "trick-or-treat" to a European custom called "souling". Beggars would go from village to village begging for "soul cakes" made out of square pieces of bread with currants. The more soul cakes the beggars would receive, the more prayers they would promise to say on behalf of the dead relatives of the donors. At the time, it was believed that the dead remained in limbo for a time after death, and that prayer, even by strangers could guarantee a soul's passage to heaven.
In many parts of Britain and Ireland this night used to be known as 'Mischief Night', which meant that people were free to go around the village playing pranks and getting up to any kind of mischief without fear of being punished. Many of the different customs were taken to the United States by Irish and Scottish immigrants in the nineteenth century, and they developed into 'trick or treat'.
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LaughTillYaPuke
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Samhain is actually the Festival of the Dead. This is where the tradition of lighting candles for dead loved ones came from. It has since become lighting the jack-o-lanterns.
Celts believed that on the night before the new year, the boundary between the worlds of the living and the dead became blurred. On the night of October 31, they celebrated Samhain, when it was believed that the ghosts of the dead returned to earth. Fires were lit to honor the descending sun god. On the eve of Samhain, the gates of the Abyss were unlocked and spirits from below flew free. Human souls that had been trapped in the bodies of animals were released by the Lord of the Dead and sent to their new incarnations. The path
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j_goose
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I lied, ready for the twist? Just so you know I don't just research Athiest and non believer only sites.....
Remember all the same sites...
Jeremiahproject is a christian site......
As an alternative to the celebration of evil and death, Christians should rather do what Christians are supposed to do every day and that is shine the light of Jesus Christ. We should emphasize the Christian influences and strive to make Hallow's Eve a celebration of the acts of God through his people the saints. We should make it a day when acts of charity instead of vandalism and hatred abound. A day that emphasizes the light of Christ instead of the darkness of evil. A day when people meditate on the acts of Godly people instead of ghosts and goblins.
While you may have participated "all in fun," be assured, Halloween is serious business for Satanists and witches. Those who oppose Christ are known to organize on Halloween to observe satanic rituals, to cast spells, to oppose churches and families, to perform sacrilegious acts, and to even offer blood sacrifices to Satan. While some may say, "But we only do this in fun...we don't practice witchcraft," those things that represent Satan and his domain cannot be handled or emulated "for fun". Such participation places you in enemy and forbidden territory and that is dangerous ground.
Tom Sanguinet, former high priest in the Celtic tradition of Wicca (witchcraft) said "The modern holiday we call Halloween has its origins in the full moon closest to November 1, the witches’ New Year. It was a time when the "spirits" (demons) were supposed to be at their peak power and revisiting the earth planet." He went on to say, "Halloween is purely and absolutely evil, and there is nothing we ever have or will do that would make it acceptable to the Lord Jesus." [The Dark Side Of Halloween]
HAHA....and there's the proof....Real christians DO take the time to check out other venues.....
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Loreli
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Ever feel bad about making fun of her? Kind of like pushing the fat, retarded kid in a ditch or pushing a wheelchair patient into traffic?.....Nah, me neither This was ENTIRELY uncalled for Thor.
You should be more ashamed of yourself tha Bev. 
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