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bevrice
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Thank you lore, it is olay, I am used to it.
Okay, Puke, I know all that stuff you are posting, my bachelors is in Christian education, don't you think we studied all of that?
I will just let you go on and on, I will leave this thread, you all can talk about all of that you want, since you don't want a Christians perspective and what we know to enter into it. I will let the thread die its own death, and it will. Everyone has read all that stuff in here over and over, you know. This is not a new topic by a long shot.
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LaughTillYaPuke
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Halloween is serious business for Satanists and witches. Those who oppose Christ are known to organize on Halloween to observe satanic rituals, to cast spells, to oppose churches and families, to perform sacrilegious acts, and to even offer blood sacrifices to Satan. While some may say, "But we only do this in fun...we don't practice witchcraft," those things that represent Satan and his domain cannot be handled or emulated "for fun". Such participation places you in enemy and forbidden territory and that is dangerous ground.
Great post Goose. One major problem with the man's views.....
Witches don't believe in satan. They don't believe in God either. There is no such concept in traditional witchcraft.
I think that mentallity comes from those fab salem witch trials. If your a witch...you can fly away to your freedom on your broom and all that stuff.
Actually most popular thoughts on witchcraft today are misconceptions. (Started you-know-where)
Halloween in a celebration of the dead, their freedom. The end of the crops. A fruitfull harvest. But...they felt that the seperation betweent he living and the dead was at it's thinnest at halloween (the raising of the dead) and therfore that is when they chose to work their most potent magic.
And yes people....I know quite a few witches  Good times.....Good times....
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BandTMom
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since you don't want a Christians perspective and what we know to enter into it
Former Christians and those who know about Christianity in this thread, raise your hands.
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| Jul 19 @ 8:08 PM |
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bevrice
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Lastly, and I am gone. Former Christians who were baptised in the Holy Spirit, operated in His supernatural gifts, please raise their hands. Like I have said, if you had had that, you never would have left, it is a personal relationship with Him, you would never doubt again.
Now, I am out of this thread.
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BandTMom
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| Jul 19 @ 8:37 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Bev,
No, the Bible was mainly written by Paul, the New Testament. Anything that is written there was inspired by the Holy Spirit, now unless you know Him, you can never understand this nor know it as the truth.
You see, the major part of the New Testament is a collection of letters written by Paul. Paul was gnostic and his letters support that fact. That is the reason you cannot support anything else in the NT with the information contained in Paul's letters. You will find that many of Paul's letters contradict the gospels.
From "Fragments of a Faith Forgotten" by G.R.S. Mead [1900] In the Letters of Paul, the majority of which are in the main, I believe, authentic, we have the earliest historic records of Christianity which we possess. The Pauline Letters date back to the middle of the first century, and are the true point of departure for any really historic research into the origins. On reading these Letters it is almost impossible to persuade ourselves that Paul was acquainted with the statements of the later historicized account of the four canonical Gospels; all his conceptions breathe a totally different atmosphere.
Instead of preaching the Jesus of the historicized Gospels, he preaches the doctrine of the mystic Christ. He not only seems to be ignorant of the Doings but even of the Sayings in any form known to us; nevertheless it is almost certain that some collection of Sayings must have existed and been used by the followers of the public teaching in his time. Though innumerable opportunities occur in his writings for reference to the canonical Sayings and Doings, whereby the power of his exhortations would have been enormously increased, he abstains from making any. On the other hand, we find his Letters replete with conceptions and technical terms which receive no explanation in the traditions of General Christianity, but are fundamental with the handers-on of the Gnosis.
The picture which the letters of Paul give us of the actual state of affairs in the middle of the first century is that of an independent propagandist, with his own illumination, in contact with the ideas of an inner school on the one hand, and with outer communities of various kinds on the other. Whatever the inner schools may have been, the outer communities among which Paul laboured were Jewish, synagogues of the orthodox Jews, synagogues of the outer communities of the Essenes, communities which had received some tradition of the public teaching of Jesus as well, and understood or misunderstood it as the case may have been. andAt the same time, besides this gentilizing tendency, which was always really subordinated to the Jewish original impulse, though flattering itself that it had entirely shaken off the fetters of the "circumcision," there was a truly universalizing tendency at work in the background; and it is this endeavour to universalize Christianity which is the grand inspiration underlying the best of the Gnostic efforts we have to review. But this universalizing does not belong to the line of the origins along which General Christianity subsequently traced its descent. Paul also claims to be the 13th apostle and states that Jesus appeared to him as he did to the other 12. Being that Paul admits that he had a "vision" of Jesus, then Paul was also saying that Jesus appeared to the other apostles in the same manner. That being as a vision (spirit).
Paul never uses quotes from the cannonized gospels; never mentions the Lord's Prayer; never mentions Jesus' miracles; never mentions Jesus' birth or baptism; never mentions the sermon on the mount or any of the beatitudes; and never talks of Jesus as being a man/god. But he does tell us that we must put on the "Christ Mind" which is a Gnostic teaching.
Peace
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j_goose
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Paul never uses quotes from the cannonized gospels; never mentions the Lord's Prayer; never mentions Jesus' miracles; never mentions Jesus' birth or baptism; never mentions the sermon on the mount or any of the beatitudes; and never talks of Jesus as being a man/god. But he does tell us that we must put on the "Christ Mind" which is a Gnostic teaching.
Funny thing about Paul. He condoned slavery. {which by the way was another cultural element of early pagans.
Ephesians 6:1-9
5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward everyone for whatever good he does, whether he is slave or free. 9 And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.
Also see Collosians, Titus, and ephesians.
relative pagan slavery examples. Well, the egyptians, for one, and prophecies from Delphi the Greek oricle: " From Herodotus, The Persian Wars"
Such a fate now befell the Milesians; for the Persians, who wore their hair long, after killing most of the men, made the women and children slaves; and the sanctuary at Didyma, the oracle no less than the temple, was plundered and burnt; of the riches whereof I have made frequent mention in other parts of my history.
Bev said:
Okay, Puke, I know all that stuff you are posting, my bachelors is in Christian education, don't you think we studied all of that?
That would be BIASED Christian Education. Come on, you should read more....
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j_goose
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Sorry I feel like Bev tonight.
THIS is interesting...
Look at the Eucharist...
The Last Supper is also borrowed from Pagan religions. Christians still re enact the meal....Bread and wine....a meal with the God man Jesus.
Mithras' followers also shared a meal with their god. WHich consisted of bread and water.
Dionysus' meal with his believers was accompanied by a good wine.
Milk and Honey with Attis.
And raw bull's flesh with Zagreus.
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j_goose
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GAWD...this is great....all this space to myself, I feel lke Hunt.
But I miss my Puke.... 
Here's one on Baptism......POCM.info
Pagan water purification rituals were used in the archaic Near East and are written about in the Old Testament. Homer mentions the washing of hands before prayer, and the purification of an entire army with water [Iliad, 1.313].
The Greeks even had priests, kathartai, who specialized in purification with water. Mithra's followers celebrated the sacrament of taurobolium—baptism in the blood of a bull, with the result of "Salvation." Pagans at Gerasa celebrated the Maioumas, rites in which women bathed and were purified in a sacred pool outside town.
New members into the Mysteries of Isis / Osiris began their initiation with a sprinkling of purifying waters brought from the Nile. The result of the baptism and initiation? Salvation.
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BandTMom
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I'm not Puke, but I'm reading, Goose.
Let me see what I can dig up.
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BandTMom
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I think this has been posted before but it a good one and covers a lot of myths.
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| Jul 19 @ 10:39 PM |
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j_goose
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One of my favorite sites.....
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BandTMom
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I found a really long one, but I need to read it first.
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j_goose
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but I need to read it first
don't ya wish everyone read their C/P's more often....??
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| Jul 19 @ 10:51 PM |
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BandTMom
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A close comparison of the story of the raising of Jairus’ daughter with the story in Philostratus, to which it is so closely parallel, gives rather reason to believe that the gospels copied the pagan narrative, the gospel story being left unmentioned by Arnobius and Lactantius in lists in which they ought to have given it had they known and accepted it. 1 The story, however, was probably told of other thaumaturgs before Apollonius; and in regard to the series of often strained parallels drawn by Baur, as by Huet, it may confidently be said that, instead of their exhibiting any calculated attempt to outdo or cap the gospel narratives, they stand for the general taste of the time in thaumaturgy. Apollonius, like Jesus, casts out devils and heals the sick; and if the Life were a parody of the gospel we should expect him to give sight to the blind. This, however, is not the case; and on the other hand the gospel story of the healing of two blind men is certainly a duplicate of a pagan record. 2
From here.
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BandTMom
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don't ya wish everyone read their C/P's more often....??
But it's funny when the C&P contradicts the point they are trying to make. 
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Loreli
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The Day Jesus Was Born
This coming December 25th most parents will be lying to their children about old St. Nick. Some of us will be celebrating the birth of our Savior. But was he really born on this day?
Was Jesus really born on December 25th? Virtually every month on the calendar has been proposed by biblical scholars. So why do we celebrate his birth in December?
The tradition for December 25th is actually quite ancient. Hippolytus, in the second century A.D., argued that this was Christ's birthday. Meanwhile, in the eastern Church, January 6th was the date followed.
But in the fourth century, John Chrysostom argued that December 25th was the correct date and from that day till now, the Church in the East, as well as the West, has observed the 25th of December as the official date of Christ's birth.
In modern times, the traditional date has been challenged. Modern scholars point out that when Jesus was born, shepherds were watching their sheep in the hills around Bethlehem. Luke tells us that an angel appeared to "some shepherds staying out in the fields [who were] keeping watch over their flock by night" (2:8).
seems nobody could agree on the day OR year
Anyway...Christmas is the biggest pagan event. And schools here do not allow Halloween parties...they are "Fall Festivals." They can have a costume parade, but no demon costumes.
We got those kids coming and going....first we take away prayer, as it might impose on another (horsepoo), then we take away Halloween because it's sacriligous. 
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