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bevrice
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Approximately 2500 prophecies appear in the pages of the Bible, about 2000 of which already have been fulfilled to the letter—no errors. ...The remaining five hundred are yet to come. Now, if the Bible is not real, not true, how can this be?
The odds against this are astronomical for you who study and know math and probabilities.
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| Jul 19 @ 9:32 PM |
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j_goose
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Examples?
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| Jul 19 @ 9:40 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Hmmmm... How many of them are so vague, they could be fulfilled by a sheep farting in the hills?
From what I understand, the End of Days prophecy has been close to fulfillment about, oh, 2000 times in the last 2000 years.
Edit: How many of the prophecies were fulfilled in ancient times? Might be the writers got their continuity screwed up, and recorded the prophecy AFTER the event happened. Happened a LOT in ancient times, where people would bolster their case by ret-conning events to add meaning. Modern-day historical veracity is just that, a modern-day concept, completely foreign to the people of 2500 years ago.
Edit: And speaking of prophecies... Anyone remember Christopher Walken's "Trivial Psychic" skit from Saturday Night Live?
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| Jul 19 @ 9:46 PM |
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BandTMom
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Yes, I'd like to see 2000 examples and to the letter.
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| Jul 19 @ 10:02 PM |
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Thor1960303
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It's really easy to call something a prophecy after the fact.
"Predictions are tough to make, especially about the future."
GW Bush
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| Jul 19 @ 10:02 PM |
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bevrice
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Okay, rather than type all of these, I am going ot cut and paste.
Let's start with these.
http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/prophecy.shtml
God is not the only one who uses forecasts of future events to get people's attention. Satan does, too. Through clairvoyants (such as Jeanne Dixon and Edgar Cayce), mediums, spiritists, and others, come remarkable predictions, though rarely with more than about 60 percent accuracy, never with total accuracy. Messages from Satan, furthermore, fail to match the detail of Bible prophecies, nor do they include a call to repentance.
The acid test for identifying a prophet of God is recorded by Moses in Deuteronomy 18:21-22. According to this Bible passage (and others), God's prophets, as distinct from Satan's spokesmen, are 100 percent accurate in their predictions. There is no room for error.
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(1) Some time before 500 B.C. the prophet Daniel proclaimed that Israel's long-awaited Messiah would begin his public ministry 483 years after the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25-26). He further predicted that the Messiah would be "cut off," killed, and that this event would take place prior to a second destruction of Jerusalem. Abundant documentation shows that these prophecies were perfectly fulfilled in the life (and crucifixion) of Jesus Christ. The decree regarding the restoration of Jerusalem was issued by Persia's King Artaxerxes to the Hebrew priest Ezra in 458 B.C., 483 years later the ministry of Jesus Christ began in Galilee. (Remember that due to calendar changes, the date for the start of Christ's ministry is set by most historians at about 26 A.D. Also note that from 1 B.C. to 1 A.D. is just one year.) Jesus' crucifixion occurred only a few years later, and about four decades later, in 70 A.D. came the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 105.)*
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(2) In approximately 700 B.C. the prophet Micah named the tiny village of Bethlehem as the birthplace of Israel's Messiah (Micah 5:2). The fulfillment of this prophecy in the birth of Christ is one of the most widely known and widely celebrated facts in history.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 105.)
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(3) In the fifth century B.C. a prophet named Zechariah declared that the Messiah would be betrayed for the price of a slave—thirty pieces of silver, according to Jewish law-and also that this money would be used to buy a burial ground for Jerusalem's poor foreigners (Zechariah 11:12-13). Bible writers and secular historians both record thirty pieces of silver as the sum paid to Judas Iscariot for betraying Jesus, and they indicate that the money went to purchase a "potter's field," used—just as predicted—for the burial of poor aliens (Matthew 27:3-10).
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1011.)
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(4) Some 400 years before crucifixion was invented, both Israel's King David and the prophet Zechariah described the Messiah's death in words that perfectly depict that mode of execution. Further, they said that the body would be pierced and that none of the bones would be broken, contrary to customary procedure in cases of crucifixion (Psalm 22 and 34:20; Zechariah 12:10). Again, historians and New Testament writers confirm the fulfillment: Jesus of Nazareth died on a Roman cross, and his extraordinarily quick death eliminated the need for the usual breaking of bones. A spear was thrust into his side to verify that he was, indeed, dead.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1013.)
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(5) The prophet Isaiah foretold that a conqueror named Cyrus would destroy seemingly impregnable Babylon and subdue Egypt along with most of the rest of the known world. This same man, said Isaiah, would decide to let the Jewish exiles in his territory go free without any payment of ransom (Isaiah 44:28; 45:1; and 45:13). Isaiah made this prophecy 150 years before Cyrus was born, 180 years before Cyrus performed any of these feats (and he did, eventually, perform them all), and 80 years before the Jews were taken into exile.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1015.)
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(6) Mighty Babylon, 196 miles square, was enclosed not only by a moat, but also by a double wall 330 feet high, each part 90 feet thick. It was said by unanimous popular opinion to be indestructible, yet two Bible prophets declared its doom. These prophets further claimed that the ruins would be avoided by travelers, that the city would never again be inhabited, and that its stones would not even be moved for use as building material (Isaiah 13:17-22 and Jeremiah 51:26, 43). Their description is, in fact, the well-documented history of the famous citadel.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 109.)
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(7) The exact location and construction sequence of Jerusalem's nine suburbs was predicted by Jeremiah about 2600 years ago. He re
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| Jul 19 @ 10:06 PM |
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j_goose
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Shit, I thought you had something current and useful.....
Or even provable......
Alas, I ask too much....
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| Jul 19 @ 10:13 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Oh boy. Who wants to tackle these? Definitely of the variety of "sheep farts in the hills"...
I'll start with this one:
A Messiah would come, be killed, and Jerusalem would be destroyed? How many times has Jerusalem been destroyed? How many rebel leaders got killed prior to Jerusalem's destruction (again...)? How many foreign invaders have controlled that crossroads between three continents?
Posting a tautology as a prophecy is hardly damning evidence.
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| Jul 19 @ 10:14 PM |
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bevrice
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He referred to the time of this building project as "the last days," that is, the time period of Israel's second rebirth as a nation in the land of Palestine (Jeremiah 31:38-40). This rebirth became history in 1948, and the construction of the nine suburbs has gone forward precisely in the locations and in the sequence predicted.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1018.)
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(8) The prophet Moses foretold (with some additions by Jeremiah and Jesus) that the ancient Jewish nation would be conquered twice and that the people would be carried off as slaves each time, first by the Babylonians (for a period of 70 years), and then by a fourth world kingdom (which we know as Rome). The second conqueror, Moses said, would take the Jews captive to Egypt in ships, selling them or giving them away as slaves to all parts of the world. Both of these predictions were fulfilled to the letter, the first in 607 B.C. and the second in 70 A.D. God's spokesmen said, further, that the Jews would remain scattered throughout the entire world for many generations, but without becoming assimilated by the peoples or of other nations, and that the Jews would one day return to the land of Palestine to re-establish for a second time their nation (Deuteronomy 29; Isaiah 11:11-13; Jeremiah 25:11; Hosea 3:4-5 and Luke 21:23-24).
This prophetic statement sweeps across 3500 years of history to its complete fulfillment—in our lifetime.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 120.)
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(9) Jeremiah predicted that despite its fertility and despite the accessibility of its water supply, the land of Edom (today a part of Jordan) would become a barren, uninhabited wasteland (Jeremiah 49:15-20; Ezekiel 25:12-14). His description accurately tells the history of that now bleak region.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 105.)
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(10) Joshua prophesied that Jericho would be rebuilt by one man. He also said that the man's eldest son would die when the reconstruction began and that his youngest son would die when the work reached completion (Joshua 6:26). About five centuries later this prophecy found its fulfillment in the life and family of a man named Hiel (I Kings 16:33-34).
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 107).
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(11) The day of Elijah's supernatural departure from Earth was predicted unanimously—and accurately, according to the eye-witness account—by a group of fifty prophets (II Kings 2:3-11).
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 109).
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(12) Jahaziel prophesied that King Jehoshaphat and a tiny band of men would defeat an enormous, well-equipped, well-trained army without even having to fight. Just as predicted, the King and his troops stood looking on as their foes were supernaturally destroyed to the last man (II Chronicles 20).
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 108).
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(13) One prophet of God (unnamed, but probably Shemiah) said that a future king of Judah, named Josiah, would take the bones of all the occultic priests (priests of the "high places") of Israel's King Jeroboam and burn them on Jeroboam's altar (I Kings 13:2 and II Kings 23:15-18). This event occurred approximately 300 years after it was foretold.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1013).
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Since these thirteen prophecies cover mostly separate and independent events, the probability of chance occurrence for all thirteen is about 1 in 10138 (138 equals the sum of all the exponents of 10 in the probability estimates above). For the sake of putting the figure into perspective, this probability can be compared to the statistical chance that the second law of thermodynamics will be reversed in a given situation (for example, that a gasoline engine will refrigerate itself during its combustion cycle or that heat will flow from a cold body to a hot body)—that chance = 1 in 1080. Stating it simply, based on these thirteen prophecies alone, the Bible record may be said to be vastly more reliable than the second law of thermodynamics. Each reader should feel free to make his own reasonable estimates of probability for the chance fulfillment of the prophecies cited here. In any case, the probabilities deduced still will be absurdly remote.
Given that the Bible proves so reliable a document, there is every reason to expect that the remaining 500 prophecies, those slated for the "time of the end," also will be fulfilled to the last letter. Who can afford to ignore these coming events, much less miss out on the immeasurable blessings offered to anyone and everyone who submits to the control of the Bible's author, Jesus Christ? Would a reasonable person take lightly God's warning of judgment for those who reject what they know to be true about Jesus Christ and the Bible, or who reject Jesus' claim on their lives?
*The estimates of probability included herein come from a group of secular research scientists. As
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| Jul 19 @ 10:16 PM |
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BandTMom
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| Jul 19 @ 10:21 PM |
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j_goose
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She's not paying attention.... 
So...I'm going to take off my pants and say this again...
Shit, I thought you had something current and useful.....
Or even provable......
Alas, I ask too much....
not to mention that the prophesies are being "proven" by the same book they were written in......
And AFTER the fact!!!
God, I'm so glad I came on tonight....
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| Jul 19 @ 10:24 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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One prophet of God (unnamed, but probably Shemiah) said that a future king of Judah, named Josiah, would take the bones of all the occultic priests (priests of the "high places") of Israel's King Jeroboam and burn them on Jeroboam's altar (I Kings 13:2 and II Kings 23:15-18). This event occurred approximately 300 years after it was foretold.
Hmmm... So some king, at some point in the future, reads of this prophecy, and decides he's the one to fulfill it. Chance of occurrence: 1 in 1.
Jahaziel prophesied that King Jehoshaphat and a tiny band of men would defeat an enormous, well-equipped, well-trained army without even having to fight. Just as predicted, the King and his troops stood looking on as their foes were supernaturally destroyed to the last man (II Chronicles 20).
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 108).
Wow. The supernatural must have been VERY common back in the day. I wouldn't have thought that an army destroyed by spooks and ghosts would be a 1% probability...
Of course, there's always the probability that a completely normal battle was rewritten with supernatural events woven in. Why, it's even possible that they exaggerated the size of the opposing army. Happens all the time in ancient histories (e.g. the 300 Spartans standing alone against a Persian army numbering over a million), to magnify the size of the accomplishment.
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| Jul 19 @ 10:26 PM |
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BandTMom
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Be careful about taking your pants off in here.
Love ya, Goose.
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| Jul 19 @ 10:41 PM |
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j_goose
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Be careful about taking your pants off in here.
Yeah, I should have saved that comment fo AMD.....
So looks like I posted enough debunking to keep her head spinning a bit....What do you want to do now???
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| Jul 19 @ 10:42 PM |
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BandTMom
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I am so not going to fall into that one, Goose!
The possibilities are endless.
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| Jul 19 @ 10:46 PM |
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j_goose
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Damn it!!
And I was SO beig the Master "baiter" tonight.....
BTW, mom, I dig the new pic!!!
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| Jul 19 @ 10:47 PM |
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uab_5
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| Jul 19 @ 10:50 PM |
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j_goose
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WAKE UP UAB!!!!
I think something important is about to happen!!!
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| Jul 19 @ 10:54 PM |
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BandTMom
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Thanks, Goose.
I guess you can leave your pants off.
Just don't tell Puke. 
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| Jul 19 @ 11:00 PM |
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uab_5
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Puke's taking her pants off? 
What when where why how? 
Isn't goose gonna get ticked? 
Is this AMD?
Let me know if her and BandTMom will smooch! 
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