| Jul 22 @ 7:29 PM |
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hammertime
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Yup, Deists were most definitely not Christian and if anything anti-Christian  since Deists rejected most of the bible anyway especially anything to do with miracles, prophesy and other fantasies written by men. Deists do have a believe in a god that gets revealed in nature. Compare that to Spinoza's God.
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| Jul 22 @ 7:36 PM |
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j_goose
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Hammer, and Heaven...have you read the Thomas Jefferson Bible?
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| Jul 22 @ 7:40 PM |
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hammertime
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I haven't. There are online sources. I might take a look.
Have you guys read the Cat Bible?
LOL CAT BIBLE
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| Jul 22 @ 7:41 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Nope, read OF it, but haven't read it yet. Waiting to retire so maybe I can stay awake longer than 3 pages...once upon a time I'd read nonstop all night, but that's nearly as long ago as when Jefferson wrote it.
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| Jul 22 @ 7:43 PM |
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hammertime
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Genesis 1
1 Oh hai. In teh beginnin Ceiling Cat maded teh skiez An da Urfs, but he did not eated dem.
2 Da Urfs no had shapez An haded dark face, An Ceiling Cat rode invisible bike over teh waterz.
3 At start, no has lyte. An Ceiling Cat sayz, i can haz lite? An lite wuz.4 An Ceiling Cat sawed teh lite, to seez stuffs, An splitted teh lite from dark but taht wuz ok cuz kittehs can see in teh dark An not tripz over nethin.5 An Ceiling Cat sayed light Day An dark no Day. It were FURST!!!1
6 An Ceiling Cat sayed, im in ur waterz makin a ceiling. But he no yet make a ur. An he maded a hole in teh Ceiling.7 An Ceiling Cat doed teh skiez with waterz down An waterz up. It happen.8 An Ceiling Cat sayed, i can has teh firmmint wich iz funny bibel naim 4 ceiling, so wuz teh twoth day.
9 An Ceiling Cat gotted all teh waterz in ur base, An Ceiling Cat hadz dry placez cuz kittehs DO NOT WANT get wet.10 An Ceiling Cat called no waterz urth and waters oshun. Iz good.
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| Jul 22 @ 7:44 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Oh hai, u meen tis gi?"
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| Jul 22 @ 7:46 PM |
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hammertime
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| Jul 22 @ 8:35 PM |
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kattsmeow
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Most children by the time they are 5-7 already are who they will be.
I see nothing wrong with the way I was raised, a wonderful loving family. Parents that stayed married for 56 years. I was raised to believe in the Bible.
My children were raised to believe and then as they grew, they got thier own ideas.
They do believe in a God or Higher Power.
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| Jul 22 @ 8:43 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Katt, you're absolutely right. I was raised to believe in the catechism rather than the bible, but I went my separate way. My kids believe pretty much as I do, to the extent that they get into it - my older one yes, my younger one not at all. Even my youmger one's well grounded as far as most things are concerned, but you really have to be careful when he starts spinning stories...he's good,really good. I think he was about 7 or 8 when his teacher called home and asked if he really knew Evel Knievel - even though she knew his propensity for tall tales, he was so convincing she stlil had to check. No, he didn't know him, but he did know a guy with a really well tricked out bike and went on from there.
  
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| Jul 22 @ 8:54 PM |
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Loreli
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Sorry-
had to run out to file my accident reports and get funnel cakes (yum!)
I would have to read that more in-depth, Heaven... 
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| Jul 22 @ 9:02 PM |
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j_goose
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Most children by the time they are 5-7 already are who they will be.
I disagree. We're constantly evolving all through our childhood. Peer influences, etc. I don't think anyone has a clue as to who they are until well into adulthood.
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| Jul 22 @ 9:37 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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I think Katt (and I know I) meant the basic moral structure. The serial killers are already torturing animals, the cheaters are already cheating, the thieves have already started stealing, and the decent ones are already decent. Our beliefs will certainly evolve, but our basic natures won't really change a whole bunch. I remember my son talking about fairness and justice when he was 4 or 5, and at 43, he's still the same honest guy who still believes in justice.
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| Jul 22 @ 9:49 PM |
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kattsmeow
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think Katt (and I know I) meant the basic moral structure.
Yes, children imitate who is raising them.
My oldest son has always been the one to argue about God and the Bible. I did my best back then. I didn't really know how to answer most of his questions. Now though, it is funny to see him stutter once in awhile. Not alot though. That boy can argue!!!!
My youngest is now 23 and is a father too. I think he is looking at his little one and thinking about how to raise him. He, ( my son) says he believes in a Higher power. When I ask him what a Higher power is, he just looks at me.
No, I did not take my kids to church, they did how ever know how I believed and why we celebrated any Religous holiday.
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| Jul 22 @ 10:24 PM |
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uab_5
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My parents taught my lil'bro and I right from wrong and left us to fill in the blanks.
For the longest time, both of our theologies centered around the God of intellect - where we could reason out a problem.
Of course four years ago, I had it thrown in my face that reason and bipolar disorder don't go hand in hand because of the emotional myths bp patients teach themselves.
After my mother's death, I found Christ but I had believed in God for the two years prior when I started 12-Step.
It was my choice and my choice alone. No one coerced me, and though my father and I disagree on principles of theology, he considers my church activities to be the best thing I've done for myself.
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| Jul 23 @ 12:50 PM |
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bevrice
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Good for you uab, and you will grow as the years go by, and you study more and seek the Lord for answers. We all grow and learn daily, that only stops when we are dead. You know, just when I think I have conquered all my sins, all my failings, here comes the Holy Spirit and convicts me of some more. That is hard, but I asked for Him to reveal to me always the things I did wrong, my sins, my shortcomings, to search me and perfect me. I, like every Christian, am a work in progress.
The more I learn and am given, the more I realize there is to learn.
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| Jul 23 @ 1:23 PM |
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yashaenka
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Having been raised under monotheism and all it's variants I decided to expose my son now 25 to Christianity, Buddhism, Taoism and Zen as living belief systems to let him decide what works for him.
A belief system by any name is simply what works for you....
Deism Defined
Deism is defined in Webster's Encyclopedic Dictionary, 1941, as: "[From Latin Deus, God.Deity] The doctrine or creed of a Deist." And Deist is defined in the same dictionary as: "One who believes in the existence of a God or supreme being but denies revealed religion, basing his belief on the light of nature and reason." The above definition is from a non-Deist source. Please see our expanded definition of Deism in our Deist Glossary below.
This common sense approach to God and a spiritual philosophy can not only bring a lasting profound sense of peace and happiness to the individual, but it also has the potential to go light years in eradicating religious fear, superstition and violence.
For comparing Deism to revealed religion and atheism please click on Deism vs. Christianity & Atheism, at the bottom of this page.
If this definition of Deism makes sense to you, please click here for a membership application from the World Union of Deists.
Deist Glossary
Compiled by the World Union of Deists
I'd like to thank everyone who contributed their ideas to this new Deist Glossary! Your help is much appreciated! The editor.
Cult: In Deism, a cult is an embracing of unreasonable beliefs by a group of people. Based on this definition, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all cults because their members suspend their God-given reason in order to believe or accept the unreasonable dogmas and teachings such as God giving real estate as a gift to the Jews, the resurrection and ascension of Jesus and Mohammed among many more false and unreasonable claims. Because Deism always promotes free and independent thought and reason, it is impossible for Deism to become a cult.
Deism: Deism is the recognition of a universal creative force greater than that demonstrated by mankind, supported by personal observation of laws and designs in nature and the universe, perpetuated and validated by the innate ability of human reason coupled with the rejection of claims made by individuals and organized religions of having received special divine revelation.
Faith: This word has been so terribly abused by "revealed" religions that it has come to really mean the suspension of an individual’s God-given reason in order to accept, or at least to tolerate, an unreasonable claim made by a "revealed" religion. It is the only way "revealed" religions can get people to accept such insane and unreasonable claims and ideas as original sin, walking on water, healing the sick without medical care, splitting the Red Sea, etc. Deists prefer to use the word "trust" instead of faith due to the twisted meaning the word "faith" has acquired after centuries of abuse from the "revealed" religions.
One key difference between Deism and the "revealed" religions is that Deists don't believe faith is required to believe in God. This quote from Voltaire sums it up, "What is faith? Is it to believe that which is evident? No. It is perfectly evident to my mind that there exists a necessary, eternal, supreme, and intelligent being. This is no matter of faith, but of reason."
God: The universal creative force which is the source of the laws and designs found throughout Nature.
Intelligent Design: Intelligent Design refers to the structures in Nature, such as that of DNA, which can be observed and the complexity of which required an intelligent Designer. In this context "structure" means something arranged in a definite pattern of organization. In Deism, Intelligent Design has absolutely nothing to do with the unreasonable Biblical myth of creation.
Natural Religion: Belief in God based on the application of reason on the laws/designs of Nature as opposed to revealed religion which is based on alleged revelations.
Philosophy: The study of the truths and principles of being, knowledge, or conduct.
Reason: The mental powers used with forming conclusions or inferences based on facts. Deists look at reason as the second greatest gift from Nature's God to humanity, second only to life itself.
Religion: A set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature and purpose of the universe.
Revelation: The act of revealing or of making known. In the religious sense, revelation usually means divine revelation. This is meaningless, since revelation can only be revelation in the first instance. For example, if God revealed something to me, that would be a divine revelation to me. If I then told someone else what God told me it would be mere hearsay to the person I tell. If that person believed what I said, they would not be putting their trust in God, but in me, believing what I told them was actually true.
Revealed Religion: An organized system of belief in and worship of God based on the belief that God communicated/communicates with certain individual founders/members of the particular revealed religion. As mentioned above, by believing in any of the revealed religions a believer is not putting their trust in God, but in the person/people making the claim of receiving the divine revelation.
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| Jul 23 @ 1:30 PM |
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bevrice
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Sorry, yash, but I think, that at 25, you are just opening a door, and your son will continue in his OWN search. If you don't want him to follow a religion that you don't endorse, you should leave him alone, or perhaps he is already searching. You should present him the with truth as a Christian sees it and not as you see it to make it valid, or he will find out for himself and that will validate him even more in his own search. Imeant the Christian part, or better yet, get a person from each those faiths to talk to him of their beliefs.
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| Jul 23 @ 1:57 PM |
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yashaenka
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Bev it is apparent that you never read anything completely this is time number 18 or 20 you have done this.
Having been raised under monotheism and all it's variants I decided to expose my son now 25 to Christianity, Buddhism, Taoism and Zen as living belief systems to let him decide what works for him. Bev READ! Stop assuming based on your just scanning. The highlighted text on Deism has nothing to do with my son or me period it was in response to the discussion above.
He has attended philosopher and theological forums with me since he was 10 and still does!
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| Jul 23 @ 1:58 PM |
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LaughTillYaPuke
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The hardest thing I ever had to do was to learn to quit depending in ME to do things and to let go and let God.
And perhaps you should take your own advice and quite taking it apon yourself in telling people how to raise their own children.
This thread was a question as to HOW people raise THEIR OWN children. Not Bev's most perfect way to change the world according to her own wishes.
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| Jul 23 @ 2:04 PM |
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yashaenka
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Bev thinks she is a speed reader the problem is she does not know how to speed read and makes false assumptions all the time without reading the content! 
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