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j_goose
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Dionysis was a myth unless you believe that Zeus really existed. He is a part of mythology, you know, and he was the god of wine, he never turned water into wine, but made wine by other methods
First, you were condecending in that you were eluding to the fact that I was some sort of lost soul.
second. I now you just looked up Dionysus and grabbed a tid bit of info to post in this forum.
Third, Dionysus is no different than Jesus. Both are mythology. There is no proof of either's existance. That's the point. The stories of Christ you cling to so much have already been done. LONG before the Bible. Wake up bev.
Janika:
It wouldnt be brainwashing any more so then choosing any other path we were raised in or taught to follow.
Isn't that brainwashing? The path YOU were raised in or taught to follow? I'm not understanding this remark.
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| Jul 20 @ 1:19 PM |
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Loreli
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choosing any other path I got it...we all misspell or drop words...... 
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| Jul 20 @ 1:22 PM |
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j_goose
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I understood that part. What I don't get is that if you are "raised and taught to follow" a certein path, there seems to be no room for any other options.
Brainwashing.
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| Jul 20 @ 1:26 PM |
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BandTMom
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The key is allowing our children to be educated.
There are many things in this world I know little about and am probably not interested in learning, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to keep my son form learning all he can about any subject. And that's not just religion.
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| Jul 20 @ 1:44 PM |
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bevrice
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Goose,
Could a person who never lived have affected human history so remarkably? The reference work The Historians' History of the World observed: “The historical result of [Jesus'] activities was more momentous, even from a strictly secular standpoint, than the deeds of any other character of history. A new era, recognised by the chief civilisations of the world, dates from his birth.”
Yes, think about it. Even calendars today are based on the year that Jesus was thought to have been born. “Dates before that year are listed as B.C., or before Christ,” explains The World Book Encyclopedia. “Dates after that year are listed as A.D., or anno Domini (in the year of our Lord).”
Critics, nevertheless, point out that all that we really know about Jesus is found in the Bible. No other contemporary records concerning him exist. But is this true?
Although references to Jesus Christ by early secular historians are meager, such references do exist.
Cornelius Tacitus, a respected first-century Roman historian, wrote: “The name [Christian] is derived from Christ, whom the procurator Pontius Pilate had executed in the reign of Tiberius.”
Suetonius and Pliny the Younger, other Roman writers of the time, also referred to Christ.
In addition, Flavius Josephus, a first-century Jewish historian, wrote of James, whom he identified as “the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ.”
"EVIDENCE IN MUSEUM?"
The first-century Jewish historian Josephus referred to the stoning of “James, the brother of Jesus who was called the Christ.” (THE JEWISH ANTIQUITIES, JOSEPHUS, BOOK XX, SEC. 200)
Tacitus, a Roman historian who lived during the latter part of the first century C.E., wrote: “Christus [Latin for “Christ”], from whom the name [Christian] had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus.”—THE COMPLETE WORKS OF TACITUS (NEW YORK, 1942), “THE ANNALS,” BOOK 15, PAR. 44.
With reference to early non-Christian historical references to Jesus, THE NEW ENCYCLOPÆDIA BRITANNICA states: “These independent accounts prove that in ancient times even the opponents of Christianity never doubted the historicity of Jesus "(1976), MACROPÆDIA, VOL. 10, P. 145.
As it did with the Hebrew Scriptures, archaeology has brought to light many interesting artifacts in support of the inspired record contained in the Christian Greek Scriptures.
For instance –
Pontius Pilate Inscription. It was in 1961 that the first archaeological find was made with reference to Pontius Pilate. ( the person who put Jesus to death) This was a stone slab located at Caesarea, which bore in Latin the name of Pontius Pilate
To mention only one, as there are literally hundreds of artifacts relating to everything Jesus said and did. All the people Jesus mentioned, there is proof they existed, all the places he said he visited, there is proof these places did exist, and so on.
To put is simply, if we are to doubt the historicity of Jesus, we must also doubt the historicity of ones like, Alexander the Great and Napoleon, as there is more evidence of Jesus existence than of theirs.
1. It is filled with prophecies reflecting detailed knowledge of the future—something impossible for humans.
2. Its contents are scientifically sound on matters that human researchers discovered only at a later date
3. Its internal harmony is significant
This is especially so in view of the fact that the books of the Bible were recorded by some 40 men as diverse as king, prophet, herdsman, tax collector, and physician. They did the writing over a period of 1,610 years; so there was no opportunity for collusion. Yet their writings agree, even in the smallest detail. To appreciate the extent to which the various portions of the Bible are harmoniously intertwined, you must read and study it personally.
How can we be sure the Bible has not been changed?
“In the number of ancient MSS. [manuscripts] attesting a writing, and in the number of years that had elapsed between the original and the attesting MSS., the Bible enjoys a decided advantage over classical writings [those of Homer, Plato, and others]. . . . Altogether classical MSS. are but a handful compared with Biblical. No ancient book is so well attested as the Bible.”—The Bible From the Beginning (New York, 1929), P. Marion Simms, pp. 74, 76.
A report published in 1971 shows that there are possibly 6,000 handwritten copies containing all or part of the Hebrew Scriptures; the oldest dates back to the third century B.C.E. Of the Christian Greek Scriptures, there are some 5,000 in Greek, the oldest dating back to the beginning of the second century C.E. There are also many copies of early translations into other languages.
[Edited on 7/20/2008 1:51 PM]
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| Jul 20 @ 1:45 PM |
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BandTMom
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| Jul 20 @ 1:54 PM |
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LaughTillYaPuke
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I have chosen to expose my daughter to a multitude of religions. In fact, any that I can get her access too. She goes through brief periods of exploring each of them. So far...she has found Buddhism to be the one she relates to most. Is that the one she will stick with for life? Maybe, maybe not. But I leave the choice to HER.
The only thought process that I have chosen to shove down her throat is no tolerance for racial prejudice, and acknowledgment of others chosen sexualities, and that you don't take things from others. Basically, TOLERANCE.
But I have taught her that those that can only seem to repeat the same lines over and over again are just not well educated. They have no real awareness of others besides themselves. And to beware of those types of people. For they are the ones who in relationships lack the ability to compramise and on a whole, are unable to behave as adults as see the bigger picture of the world that surrounds them. That the world does not revolve around them, but that they are merely a small spec of that massive community.
That the above trait would make the most horrific of long term relationships. For you would only be allowed to be crammed into their small box of perceptions and never truly live a full life.
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| Jul 20 @ 1:56 PM |
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BandTMom
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| Jul 20 @ 1:56 PM |
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bevrice
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In the introduction to his seven volumes on The Chester Beatty Biblical Papyri, Sir Frederic Kenyon wrote: “The first and most important conclusion derived from the examination of them [the papyri] is the satisfactory one that they confirm the essential soundness of the existing texts. No striking or fundamental variation is shown either in the Old or the New Testament. There are no important omissions or additions of passages, and no variations which affect vital facts or doctrines. The variations of text affect minor matters, such as the order of words or the precise words used . . . But their essential importance is their confirmation, by evidence of an earlier date than was hitherto available, of the integrity of our existing texts.”—(London, 1933), p. 15.
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| Jul 20 @ 1:58 PM |
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BandTMom
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| Jul 20 @ 2:00 PM |
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LaughTillYaPuke
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I thought this would be an interesting question.
I was raised in prayer, reading the Bible, and learning about salvation.
My parents were raised in prayer, reading the Bible, and learning about salvation.
However upon closer examination, I came to the conclusion (at a young age) that it was a lot of bunk. (to me anyway) ,And left those beliefs and practices behind. For years I talked the talk just to avoid the confrontation with family members.
Years of research and reading made me a confirmed athiest.
However, any time MY children show an interest in the Bible, God, or Jesus, I gladly pull out the Bible and show them the teachings. And invite them to investigate from there. I also encourage them to read the Eddas, The Book of the Dead, Ancient Greek and Roman Gods, etc.
In my opnion, a truly educated answer to a belief is a well researched religion.
They can choose their own path, and I leave MY opnions out of these types of conversations. It's up to them to decide what path they should follow. My daughter believes in reincarnation. My son, not sure yet, he is currently reading a book about Norse gods.
How many people have actually sat down, looked at various religions and REALLY decided based on information rather than inheriting their belief system from their parents and other family members?
Wouldn't that make which ever path you choose more solid and not just a copycat or brainwashng?
How many people have read only one or a few books and made a snap judgement and said "hey, this is for me?"
Would that really be fair to a child, to raise them to believe exactly what YOU do?
Since I just hopped on here and started merrily posting my thoughts on this brief question without reading the original post (yeah...I'm naughty like that) I thought I might refresh us as to what this topic should be. And after I read it...  I may just have to re-think my post.
Good morning folks! 
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| Jul 20 @ 2:01 PM |
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LaughTillYaPuke
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HA! The man and I think alike. My original post STANDS! 
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| Jul 20 @ 2:03 PM |
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bevrice
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As to off topic, I am simply replying to Goose, and this IS his thread.
The url for preceding post is
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Christianity-Church-History-2348/actual-proof-Jesus-existed.htm
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| Jul 20 @ 2:07 PM |
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Jankia
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alive- and incredibly civil by comparison to others in the religion thread.. .
Civil for you maybe friend but is it civil when I answer all of gooses-geese  and then this from my usual troll saildancer.
You didn't give your children a choice. They were schooled christian I didnt give them a choice in being schooled American either.Duh
Would he school his children according to what his local neighborhood gang preached? I doubt it.Would he take his kids to learn life from an atheist at the same time he takes them to learn life from a Muslim?
Jankia was also brainwashed by not being exposed to other religions. Being civil is not assuming what you dont know about a person.How can he say I was coerced? Its ridiculous how some people live off of words they dont know the meaning of to find the need to concoct a lame opinion.
Funny why saildancer found the need to critisize a Christain again for his answer to these questions,yet he doesnt stay on-topic and answer them himself.
Being civil alive,isnt being a troll on here.
Some of you others should also learn the definition of "brainwashing" or your liable to live off of what you dont understand as well.
Teaching my children what I believe is the truth is how I raised them.Thats what a parent does.Forcing that truth is brainwashing.
Exposing a young child to every belief available is ludicrous,they are exposed to how we parents live as individuals and when they are old enough to choose there own road in life they can choose for themselves which is right.
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BandTMom
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The topic is "How are you raising your children".
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| Jul 20 @ 2:07 PM |
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bevrice
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Okay, guys, question, where is your hope? Where is your power? If you say in yourself, you know you will fail yourself, everyone does.
If you get, heaven forbid, cancer, and the doctors can't do anything for you, where is your hope then?
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| Jul 20 @ 2:09 PM |
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BandTMom
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16knots
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Bevrice:
Could a person who never lived have affected human history so remarkably? The reference work The Historians' History of the World observed: “The historical result of [Jesus'] activities was more momentous, even from a strictly secular standpoint, than the deeds of any other character of history. A new era, recognised by the chief civilisations of the world, dates from his birth.”
Doesnt mean he existed. Muhammad and Newton are more famous.
Yes, think about it. Even calendars today are based on the year that Jesus was thought to have been born. “Dates before that year are listed as B.C., or before Christ,” explains The World Book Encyclopedia. “Dates after that year are listed as A.D., or anno Domini (in the year of our Lord).”
Only in the west. There are many other calenders used. The Chinese is far more used and out dates christian so does Buddhist Calender and others.
Critics, nevertheless, point out that all that we really know about Jesus is found in the Bible. No other contemporary records concerning him exist. But is this true?
Why ask the question when we know this is so
Although references to Jesus Christ by early secular historians are meager, such references do exist.
But no proof at all.
Cornelius Tacitus, a respected first-century Roman historian, wrote: “The name [Christian] is derived from Christ, whom the procurator Pontius Pilate had executed in the reign of Tiberius.”
And... so???
Suetonius and Pliny the Younger, other Roman writers of the time, also referred to Christ.
so what, still no proof.
In addition, Flavius Josephus, a first-century Jewish historian, wrote of James, whom he identified as “the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ.”
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"EVIDENCE IN MUSEUM?"
Evidence of what??? No evidence what so ever.
With reference to early non-Christian historical references to Jesus, THE NEW ENCYCLOPÆDIA BRITANNICA states: “These independent accounts prove that in ancient times even the opponents of Christianity never doubted the historicity of Jesus "(1976), MACROPÆDIA, VOL. 10, P. 145.
Just waffle. There is no evidence of his existence at all.
All the rest you said is just waffle too. ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE JESUS EXISTED 
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| Jul 20 @ 2:11 PM |
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16knots
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Bevrice:
In the introduction to his seven volumes on The Chester Beatty Biblical Papyri, Sir Frederic Kenyon wrote: “The first and most important conclusion derived from the examination of them [the papyri] is the satisfactory one that they confirm the essential soundness of the existing texts. No striking or fundamental variation is shown either in the Old or the New Testament. There are no important omissions or additions of passages, and no variations which affect vital facts or doctrines. The variations of text affect minor matters, such as the order of words or the precise words used . . . But their essential importance is their confirmation, by evidence of an earlier date than was hitherto available, of the integrity of our existing texts.”—(London, 1933), p. 15.
so what???
Just because someone write something doesnt mean to say its proof or it exists.
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| Jul 20 @ 2:13 PM |
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16knots
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Bevrice:
Okay, guys, question, where is your hope? Where is your power? If you say in yourself, you know you will fail yourself, everyone does.
If you get, heaven forbid, cancer, and the doctors can't do anything for you, where is your hope then?
What does that have to do with anything Stop attention seeking!  
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