| Jul 22 @ 9:23 AM |
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LanceVarden7
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There are too many people who want to use religion to try to assume an authority over other people.
They are constantly bellowing "As a Christian you should do that" and "A christain should behave like this"
I think it is mostly because they have never been in charge of anything, and probably never will be. They see religion as a chance to push their will on someone else. A way to paint themselves as right, and someone else as wrong.
They see themselves as a mentor offering a path to others.Uab, we do feed baby Christians the milk of the word for they can't digest the meat, but the milk is not watered down. , when in reality, they have actually have nothing of substance to offer.
It is annoying to listen to them. They are like a little kid who has gotten a chance to be hall monitor and it has gone to their heads. They have a divine right, and anyone who does not treat people badly (like they do) is watering down religion and/or trying to curry favor with the heathens.
As you listen to these people, and get frustrated by their banters, please keep in mind two things.
1. The message they are spreading is a message of themselves, and not of the Christ. The message of the Christ is one of love, and being humble. Dispise the purported "Christian" if you will, but don't carry that blame over to the Christ.
2. Remember that these people are not jerks because they are claiming to be "Christian" they would be jerks if they were non-Christian. There is nothing in the message of the Christ that requires people to behave that way.
The bad news is, don't expect any big changes soo. Mostly, those sort do not change, because they cannot learn. They can not learn because they will not listen. They want everyone to think they already know it all, and to them, considering someone else's viewpoint would be showing a weakness.
Using religion as a vehicle to satisfy your own selfish agenda of self promotion, and condescension of others, is a blashpemy.
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| Jul 22 @ 10:26 AM |
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sail_dancer
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Lance,
As you listen to these people, and get frustrated by their banters, please keep in mind two things.
1. The message they are spreading is a message of themselves, and not of the Christ. The message of the Christ is one of love, and being humble. Dispise the purported "Christian" if you will, but don't carry that blame over to the Christ.
2. Remember that these people are not jerks because they are claiming to be "Christian" they would be jerks if they were non-Christian. There is nothing in the message of the Christ that requires people to behave that way. I agree with you, but I think you miss the fact that most christians support the dogma being spewed by the likes of Bev, Hunt, SOC, Seal, etc.
Seems to me that any christian denomination that does not agree with this christian dogma, should denounce christianity and assemble under a new name such as Christists or something that would truly reflect your beliefs. Either that or be a loan wolf like me.
By still considering yourselves christians, these fanatics can use you in their demographic figures to support their claims of sustained growth in their sick dogma. What is required is a new christian reformation.
Peace
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| Jul 22 @ 10:33 AM |
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hammertime
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This is a problem for folks who calls themselves Christians and those who follow Jesus. We should recognize that Jesus is a name and Christ is a title. Read the Thomas Gospels. It makes that very clear.
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html
108. Jesus said, "Whoever drinks from my mouth will become like me; I myself shall become that person, and the hidden things will be revealed to him." Which means you become Christ. Those that follow this becomes anointed (Christ). Jesus' role is an example.
Is it any wonder the dogmatic would hate this sort of thing?
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| Jul 22 @ 10:57 AM |
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bevrice
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Hmmm, maybe most Christians follow it because it is the truth.
Lance, we don't need authority over ANYONE. Our battle is not with people, but with powers and principalities. YOU are the one who makes your battle with people.
Lance, a message of ourselves??? The word is all about US? No, I don't think so.
What does it profit me or other Christians in here to bring ANY message, we are bashed and made fun of and ridiculed? If we were trying to promote ourselves, we sure wouldn't come in HERE to do that. I don't think WE are the ones who want to be approved of, patted on the back because we give them things that they approve of, do and think the same things that unbelievers do and think, we don't sugar coat things, and fall into the same things they do to make them like us. You don't see us cursing, repeating the same attack over and over and over, not forgiving. Do you think Jesus was all sugar and spice? I think he was very strong. I don't think he said things to make people like him, maybe if he had have, he wouldn't have been crucified, but then, that would have ruined everything, now wouldn't it?
Lance, all we have to do is present the gospel in truth, all the truth, that is why most of us are here. Most Christians don't like just part of the truth brought forth or twisted truths or lukewarm truths. It is not something you play power games with or any kind of games with. Now lance, do you think maybe you are the one who is blaspheming? If your definition is correct, you fit the bill perfectly, and can't even see it.
[Edited on 7/22/2008 10:59 AM]
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| Jul 22 @ 10:58 AM |
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uab_5
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Christ called us to be humble servants to him and to other people.
Anyone who claims moral superiority, for whatever reason, needs to go back to Footwashing 101 and remember that our Lord did that very thing the night before his execution.
I do believe in answering the Grat Comission, but through actions not words.
I want non-Christians to see the way I act and conduct myself and understand that's what it means to be a Christian.
Anything less would be meangless drivel.
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| Jul 22 @ 11:07 AM |
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LanceVarden7
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Christ called us to be humble servants to him and to other people.
Anyone who claims moral superiority, for whatever reason, needs to go back to Footwashing 101 and remember that our Lord did that very thing the night before his execution.
I do believe in answering the Grat Comission, but through actions not words.
I want non-Christians to see the way I act and conduct myself and understand that's what it means to be a Christian.
Anything less would be meangless drivel. Excellent post!!!
Bev, you should read this a few times.
Well said
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| Jul 22 @ 11:10 AM |
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hammertime
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Lance, all we have to do is present the gospel in truth, all the truth, that is why most of us are here. Most Christians don't like just part of the truth brought forth or twisted truths or lukewarm truths. It is not something you play power games with or any kind of games with. Now lance, do you think maybe you are the one who is blaspheming? If your definition is correct, you fit the bill perfectly, and can't even see it. But you never knew the truth nor do you know it now. You don't know what truth is because you have mental conditions that get in the way. Hallucinations are a mental illness. Of course, Christianity is a soup of hundreds or thousands of made up dogmas. All proclaiming truth.
Its best to read George Costanza...
"Its not a lie if you believe it".
As long as you believe your own lies, they are your own truth within a delusional mind.
[Edited on 7/22/2008 11:11 AM]
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| Jul 22 @ 11:10 AM |
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uab_5
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Thanks Lance. 
My pastor is an awesome teacher and friend. 
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| Jul 22 @ 11:12 AM |
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bevrice
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Uab, I see no one in here who thinks they are morally superior to other people. I am just as much a sinner as anyone else in here. There is not anything that I wouldn't do for anyone in here who needed me. I love them all.
I am called to minister, to teach, to counsel, I sure don't mind washing anyone's feet. I don't think any Christian in here would. First, we are called to serve the Lord. I am called to counsel, teach. We all have a part in the body of Christ. Some are the hands, some the eyes, the mouth, the feet. That doesn't change the truth. You know, if you read the letters of Paul, or even read Revelations, the Lord has much to say about false teachings. Now I am not calling you a false teacher, nor am I saying that you are lukewarm because I have not seen either from you. But the hands can't do the work of the feet or vice versa, you know. The hands have their own job and do it well.
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| Jul 22 @ 11:13 AM |
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LanceVarden7
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I agree with you, but I think you miss the fact that most christians support the dogma being spewed by the likes of Bev, Hunt, SOC, Seal, etc. I have got to disagree with you a bit. The only two I, personally, have had real trouble with the "holier than thou" is bev & hunt.
In any event, I don't think these bad examples are the mainstream Christianity. They are noticeable because they are loud and out front, drawing attention to themselves.
Seems to me that any christian denomination that does not agree with this christian dogma, should denounce christianity and assemble under a new name such as Christists or something that would truly reflect your beliefs. Either that or be a loan wolf like me. I think that Christians have an obligation to stand up and say, "No, this is NOT what it is all about. These people are glorifying themselves and not God" I do not think that the mjority of Christians twist and abuse religion as bev & hunt do, however, far too many sit queitly by and do nothing while those types mistreat people.
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| Jul 22 @ 11:18 AM |
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LanceVarden7
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Uab, I see no one in here who thinks they are morally superior to other people. 
Keep looking bev, it may dawn on you one day
I am called to minister, to teach, to counsel Whoever you think called you, I think it was a wrong number. You seem ill qualified to me. I think you need to seek out counseling, not offer it.
Now I am not calling you a false teacher, nor am I saying that you are lukewarm because I have not seen either from you. Irrelevant. I don't think anyone really takes much stock in your judgements.
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| Jul 22 @ 11:19 AM |
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uab_5
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Bev,
You don't come across has humble...you really don't.
You come across as the typ of person that turned me off to Christianity in high school.
I can go on a C&P rampage of your quotes if you care for me to?
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| Jul 22 @ 11:20 AM |
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bevrice
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Lance, and you are called to confront elders in the Church, in the Lord? Do you know what an elder is, Lance?
You sure are full of yourself, lance, and not the Lord.
You know there are a number of Christians in here who have been in the Lord, the word, the ministry for a lot of years, but you can't accept that, can you?
Let's start right now, lance, where have any Christians in here not brought forth the truth? Maybe I need to address your concerns and answer you with the word, ALL of the word. Maybe I have fallen short in not doing that for you. I tried once and you just got angry and raged on and on. I will try again, if you want.
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| Jul 22 @ 11:22 AM |
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LanceVarden7
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You come across as the typ of person that turned me off to Christianity in high school.
Uab, you sound just like me a month or two ago. That is EXACTLY how I felt (and still feel)
These sort of "Christians" are not furthering the religion, but doing it great harm.
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| Jul 22 @ 11:23 AM |
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bevrice
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UAB, I am called to minister the word. Now, you say your minister and you are good friends. Do you think he would support lukewarm half truths? If so, then I sure would change ministers. Does he pat you on the back and curse right along with you when you curse. Does he say, "Good job" when you rant and rave and rampage against others? If he corrects you, I guess you get mad and try to jump in the middle of him????
[Edited on 7/22/2008 11:26 AM]
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| Jul 22 @ 11:25 AM |
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hammertime
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Sorry guys, you guys are Christians but lets face it. Christianity provides a backdrop for mentally ill people to fill its ranks and create a fairytale of supernatural unrealities. Bev is an example but she is one of many who are sick in this way.
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| Jul 22 @ 11:30 AM |
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bevrice
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So, where are seal and soc, did you all get them banned, too, or did you run them off? I miss them, they were true and dedicated, willing to take all the garbage from you people. Willing to put the Lord first and themselves second. You see, I don't matter, they don't matter. The Lord and the truth DO matter.
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| Jul 22 @ 11:34 AM |
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hammertime
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There is no truth that could be expressed from the mouth of a lunatic. Mentally ill people need treatment so eventually they can live normal and healthy lives and then they can express truth with a sound mind.
Of course, religious truth is not about facts or evidence. Its a point of view that uses confabulation and myth.
[Edited on 7/22/2008 11:36 AM]
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| Jul 22 @ 11:36 AM |
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bevrice
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Lance, I am willing to nuture, support you, and help you grow, but you have to exhibit Christian actions, not despise correction. I am willing to do that by email, but then you would still get angry.
As to the authority thing, the elders in the church DO have authority, you know.
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| Jul 22 @ 11:38 AM |
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hammertime
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Lance is a good man and he will get his inspiration directly from his belief in God, not from a psychopath who needs medication. His god is no doubt a different one than yours. Yours is evil.
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