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uab_5
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Been to Hell once, got the T shirt to prove it, left it in El Peje, Costa Rica for a bloke who needed it more.
Also married one of Satan's demons. Got the divorce papers to prove it.
Not doing that again. Wouldn't be prudent at this juncture.
I'd rather get keelhauled by my nuts than repeat my mistakes of the past.
Salvation seems like a nifty idea. Plus it comes with a lot of like thinking friends.
Not worrid abou the dying part of Christianity. It's the living part that I need Him for.
Death is easy. Someone else has to clean up my shit.
Living is the tough part. I'm responsible for changing my own soiled diapers.
God bless.
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| Jul 22 @ 2:31 PM |
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hammertime
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Bible is a soup of metaphor and allegory where any religious fantasy can be found and any atrocity justified. That makes it an evil book that serves a sick purpose when idiots like our resident psychos get from it. Good people might find some nice stuff too but there are better philosophies, better religions to turn to for real inspiration. Desert dogmas have destroyed the myth of Jesus into a perversion. We have real examples of that given to us by the likes of Bev, Hunt, SOC and Seal who are insane enough to hear voices in their head and willing to follow orders from that voice to throw rocks. One in particular said so many times. Such religion is perfect home for a psychopath. Insanity is what they call salvation.
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| Jul 22 @ 2:34 PM |
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LanceVarden7
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Let's face the facts. Your belief that you are either saved or go to a second death, is not what majority of christians believe. So the dogma that Bev and Hunt spew is believed by most christians. These christians may not be as outspoken as Bev and Hunt but they have the same sick belief that anyone that believes differently will go to hell because they worship false gods or demons. Got to give you that one
The majority of christians believe in eternal damnation and most of what Bev and Hunt spew. If they didn't then they would speak up. You and Angel both believe in the second death and both of you have spoken up. I think that mostly stems from the fact that so many people, Chistian and non, avoid confrontations at all costs.
Bev and Hunt may be outspoken but they do have mainstream christian beliefs. Ask christians if their faith is the only true faith. Ask them if other religions worship false gods. Ask them if non-christians will be saved. Ask them about everything that Bev and Hunt have said and you will find that the majority feel that way. They may not condone the way Bev and Hunt choose to spread this sick dogma, but the dogma itself they accept as the only truth. That is true, but too me, what makes that sort so offensive is their "I am so holy, and you are someone who needs lined out" attitude. That attitude is ofensive to Christian and non.
For me, I don't have a problem with anyone believing what they will and saying what they believe. I don't know if other religions are worshipping the same God, just by a different name, or worshipping a false God, or just talking to themselves. I cannot bear witness to that, because I really don't know.
Some people may think I am just talking to my self when I pray. That position doesn't bother me, as long as they are just stating their own personal belief.
The thing is, when someone like bev or hunt starts condescneding people, and justify their bad behaviour with religion, that is NOT OK, and I am going to call them on it (I am not afraid to confront)
Big kudos to UAB for standing up to bev. If more Christian folk would do the same, the religion would be seen in a better light.
Sail, All monotheistic Christians use the same sources for their radical belief system, the Bibles. Not really. Sail has a good point in that many base their ideas of hell from Dante's play (which has over ran common perception) than the 2nd death versus inheriting eternal life that the bible teaches.
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| Jul 22 @ 6:44 PM |
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j_goose
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A debate about religion works when Christianity is represented by the likes of Lance, Uab, Heaven, etc.
All are willing to announce their beliefs as they see it, without calling other's Demon worshipers, etc.
And when confronted with a question that they cannot answer, they say so. They actually read information posted that is contrary to their beliefs and respond accordingly.
Bev, Hunt, SOC, and Seal refuse to read anything other than each other's posts.
How many times has the topic of Christian plagurism come up and ignored by these blind people? Many.
To Lance:
If I were still Christian, I would be ashamed to have been represented By Hunt and Bev just as you were.
But thse of us who are here to really discuss realize that they are the ones who turned us away from religion in the beginning. MY experience at a young age is different, but upon closer examination of my christian upbringing, I came to the conclusion on my own that it's something I cannot believe in.
I can live a clean, moral life without the need of a god, nor the fear of losing my salvation due to sinning, non belief, etc.
To BEV:
Get out and stay out. THe forums were running very smoothly while you were gone....Except the BS posted by Hunt. That little lull between his departure and your re-arrival were an excellent time full of intelligent discussion.
From
Everybody's FAVORITE Atheist.
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| Jul 22 @ 6:46 PM |
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uab_5
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| Jul 23 @ 9:18 AM |
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| Jul 23 @ 9:34 AM |
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hammertime
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Before we dismiss the aforementioned religious fanatics who affect atheists and Christians alike with  we need to dig deeper to study why their dogma deserves to be  .
We need to look at the psychology of people who take on blind faith, lack reasoning and logic skill, lack education in math, science and history. What is it about their lives that damaged them so much that they embrace toxic faith in the same way a crack addict embraces his crack or an alcoholic embraces his whiskey. What are the early signs of detection in folks like this? Can their religiosity be prevented if caught in its early stages? Most diseases are curable or treatable when caught in time. Mental illness is a gradual progression. What can be done to prevent it?
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| Jul 23 @ 9:39 AM |
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uab_5
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Mental illness is a gradual progression. What can be done to prevent it?
The same thing to prevent some people's over excitement for their lack of faith?
Counseling and large doses of psychotropes?
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| Jul 23 @ 9:45 AM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Thank you Bev for your kind words.
There are many on here that I enjoy a friendship with. (Many of who are non-Christian.)
But these people are, for the most part, capable of feeling compassion.
They also enjoy our friendship.
While I think of these relationships as blessings from God, the definition of these friendships need not be limited to those sharing religious beliefs.
A friendship might only be a friendship. (Even if no involvement from God is recognized.)
Personally I've been greatly reducing the amount of time I spend here, because of all the bitterness expressed in this forum. Bitterness directed to myself and to many others.
It seems some people have the notion that it is their personal responsibility to share the overflow of hatred from their own life with others. 
Funny kind of responsibility.
God bless you Bev. Your name is among many other names found here at MD, that I repeat in prayer every morning. 
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| Jul 23 @ 9:52 AM |
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hammertime
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Uab
Actually that depends on what faith is lacking. Is it lack of faith in your medical doctor about to remove a brain tumor or lack of faith in any of the 3000 gods that man invented or lack of faith in the US Government and its politicians. It could be a lack of faith in yourself which then leads into all sorts of neurosis and low self-esteem.
But religious faith is not based on anything real. Its based on superstitions, fable, myth and social peer pressure or worse, coercive psychological pressure of guilt, shame and fear. Faith by definition is unexamined and so the shallowist of experiences. Coupled with mental illness that is often present, that just leads a person into deep delusion and infantile wish fulfillment.
[Edited on 7/23/2008 9:52 AM]
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| Jul 23 @ 9:52 AM |
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LanceVarden7
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SOC, as an honest man,
I want to know.
Do you see legitimacy in some of the complaints levied against bev's behavior?
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| Jul 23 @ 10:03 AM |
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hammertime
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The only person who can assume authority of any god is the one who invented that god or conquered it as in stealing ownership. It would be nice if they had good creative writing skills to make it seem interesting. Who wants a boring god. I suppose the God of Abraham couldn't get any more exciting and there was nothing more exciting than stoning a woman or putting to death anyone Deuteronomy and Leviticus dictates. To be the stone thrower makes you feel you are on God's side especially if the voice in your head told you so.
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| Jul 23 @ 10:17 AM |
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uab_5
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Deuteronomy and Leviticus are evil books! hiss hiss
And cures for insominia. 
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hammertime
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Yeah I know but then you got to pick and choose whats good and what isn't.
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| Jul 23 @ 10:32 AM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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Lance, Bev is my friend. I admire the conviction of her beliefs. My understanding of God, (through His holy Word), enables me to see how little I presently know about Him. Through daily exposure to His Word, He has taught me a few things.
ButI have learned that there is much I have yet to learn.
Through years of study and exposure to His Word, Bev has acheived a level of intimacy with our Saviour that I hold in great regard. Even Bev though, has the humility to confess that there remains a good deal for her to discover.
Some pride themselves on the completeness of their understanding of all things. Such a boast cannot be made in anyone's understanding of the Bible.
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sealacamp
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Get out and stay out. THe forums were running very smoothly while you were gone....Except the BS posted by Hunt.
That was rude and unacceptable and downright childish. Unfortunately it is not unexpected considering the source.
Do you see legitimacy in some of the complaints levied against bev's behavior?
Lance do you see legitimacy in someone saying this:
Get out and stay out.
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| Jul 23 @ 10:48 AM |
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hammertime
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There are Christians here that embrace their blind faith in the same way a couch potato gobbles chips and guzzles beer. Their lives are totally pushed into oblivion and filled with delusional fantasy. Fantasies of heaven, hell, god, Satan, Jesus and fable filled scripture. They believe in things without evidence other than their personal hallucinations. They believe in things without logic, without reasoning but out of fear, ignorance and stupidity.
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hammertime
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That was rude and unacceptable and downright childish. Unfortunately it is not unexpected considering the source. That source is a fellow Christian who believes in God and Jesus.
Have you looked in the mirror today? Is it still cracked?
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| Jul 23 @ 10:54 AM |
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LanceVarden7
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Lance do you see legitimacy in someone saying this: Get out and stay out.
Sorry, but yes sir, I do. I really do.
There comes a point when someone has been so rude, and so condescending and so nasty, that you are justified in not wanting anymore of their company.
There you go. I have answered, and answered honestly.
The problem with bev is that, she thinks she is justified in the way she treats people, and that is perfectly acceptable.
Obviously, it is not.
I think that she will never see that there is a problem there, unless enough people muster the honestly and the courage to tell her.
Are you one of those people?
I ask again, as an honest man, do you not see the legitmacy in some of the complaints about the behavoir bev has displayed here?
I answered you, and I asked first.
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| Jul 23 @ 11:07 AM |
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hammertime
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The problem with bev is that, she thinks she is justified in the way she treats people, and that is perfectly acceptable.
But why is she like that? We need to understand where a person is coming from and their mental state. She claims her family is not dysfunctional but there are alcoholics all over the place. There is lots of smoking and prescription drug abuse. Also, hypersexuality is often a symptom of bipolar disorder. There are a lot of things we need to know. We know a lot already but as you can see this particular person seeks no help but dwells deeply in delusion that nothing is wrong. She and Hunt openly condemn other people and other faiths and their obvious groupies are the same and just as delusional. Some have heard voices in their heads. They are not mentally well so we can expect these sorts of abnormal behaviors from them. They are not on a spritual path but one of self-destruction.
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