| Jul 26 @ 11:30 AM |
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Loreli
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Please discuss from your heart, not half page c/p?
Do you believe that your destiny is predetermined?
Why or why not?
Do you believe there is a higher power guiding you over bumpy roads until you reach your "oasis?"
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| Jul 26 @ 12:03 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Loreli,
Do you believe that your destiny is predetermined? I do not believe that our destiny is predetermined, but I do believe that everyone will one day mature spiritually and return to the god family we all belong to.
I am of the opinion that we are on earth to experience things that our spirit needs to mature. Some of these things we as humans would consider "good", but we can also experience and learn from "bad" or "evil" that we or others have caused.
So in our carnal world we may have rules that are not binding in the spiritual world.
I believe that our lifetime is but one semester of our education to mature spiritually and awaken to the truth of everything.
That is why I don't believe in "eternal punishment" or "second death" but that all will return to the kingdom in the future. When a child fails a course or even is refused graduation to the next grade, do we kill them for this, do we lock them in the basement next to the furnace for the rest of their lives? Of course not. They take the subjects over until they pass.
That is also why I believe in reincarnation. If you fail to learn and experience the things required to go to the next level of spiritual development, you are reincarnated and forced to take the course (life as we know it) again.
Do you believe there is a higher power guiding you over bumpy roads until you reach your "oasis?" No I don't.
I think it is up to each individual to mature on their own and in their own way. What you are suggesting is in line with a teacher providing answers to a test to help the pupil. These "bumpy roads" are some of the lessons we must experience and learn from.
I believe that their have been and still are masters that have already awakened and help guide us but cannot interfere with our lives by making things easier for us.
Peace
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| Jul 26 @ 1:29 PM |
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Loreli
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Thanks Sail....I pretty much agree.
I was thinking about this today, as movies like "Back to the future" and "Final Destination" are based on "messing with fate.
I think every day, all day long we will have choices to make that can affect our future. If I have the pancakes, I'll gain weight, if I have the sausage, I may choke to death.
Everything is a "who knows" until the end. 
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| Jul 26 @ 4:11 PM |
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uab_5
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The concept of predestination completly interfers with the concept of free will that was described in the Garden of Eden.
Adam chose to eat the fruit. God or Satan didn't force him to.
Yes, it's easy in 20/20 hindsight go say "gosh, things were so meant to happen that way", but the truth is that I made the choice to do all those things and God either blessed me, punished me, so sometimes both for making those decisions.
God will guide, God will steer, God will leave cat urine in my shoe after a drunken night of sex with Mrs. Really Really Wrong, but ultimately I had to make the bad decisions I made.
Fortunately, God allowed me to benefit from the punishment that my bad decisions gave me.
Yes, I've lost all my worldly possessions twice. This has taught me not to hold on to Earthly things.
I've tried to kill my self over my ex. This forced me to concentrate my efforts on my mental health.
Yes, I've been homeless before. This has forced me to strengthen bonds between me and my blood family, and to make annends to my father.
Destiny or lessons?
I believe my bad decisions were God's way of teaching me lessons so I can pass on to others so they, hopefully, won't bear the scourging that I have taken.
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| Jul 26 @ 4:17 PM |
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BandTMom
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Do you believe that your destiny is predetermined?
I call it karma, but we control it, not the other way around. Everything we do is returned to us at some time. Good and bad.
Do you believe there is a higher power guiding you over bumpy roads until you reach your "oasis?"
I believe we are all part of one and we as individuals determine our own path.
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| Jul 26 @ 5:38 PM |
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kattsmeow
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I do believe in free will. There have been times though that I wonder why I was/amd driven to do something I normally wouldn't.
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| Jul 26 @ 5:38 PM |
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Thor1960303
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Do you believe that your destiny is predetermined? Up to a certain point. You come into the world with things programmed into your DNA that influence every decision you make, so I've often wondered how much stock to put in the idea of "free will" or "moral choice".So in a sense, "decisions" are somewhat "guided". Yet there is and will always be the element of chaos, chance and probabilities, so perhaps the possibility exists for multiple destinies and multiple realities which basically describes the Everett/ Wheeler model of the universe.
Do you believe there is a higher power guiding you over bumpy roads until you reach your "oasis?"
There are many higher powers. Light, heat, electricity, gravity and the rest nature throws at us. If you mean, do I believe there is some invisible man in the sky, or spirit of a dead person giving me influence, I would have to say no, because I see no evidence of it.
As for bumpy roads and guidance to an oasis, I've found that the only thing that got me through the bumpy roads was my ability to get off of my butt and change the things that I could. I found that generous friends and family helped and that the practice of the rules of life atrributed to Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed and other great teachers offered practical advice on how to turn life tragedies into life opportunities.
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| Jul 26 @ 5:43 PM |
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Thor1960303
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I believe my bad decisions were God's way of teaching me lessons so I can pass on to others so they, hopefully, won't bear the scourging that I have taken.
Simply saying, "I f 'ed up, I will do better and not make the same mistake", and then act upon it doesn't work? You have to externalize it into a sky fairy? I've often wondered why there are those who feel the need to and those who don't, it's a really fascinating look at human psychology and how we're all so different.
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| Jul 26 @ 5:59 PM |
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lazareth
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Sail...... EXACTLY..... 
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| Jul 26 @ 6:07 PM |
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uab_5
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Thor said:
Simply saying, "I f 'ed up, I will do better and not make the same mistake", and then act upon it doesn't work? You have to externalize it into a sky fairy? I've often wondered why there are those who feel the need to and those who don't, it's a really fascinating look at human psychology and how we're all so different
What I do know is the sky fairytale that I could solve all my problems through intellect and reason didn't work for me and caused me more trouble than I hope anyone has to go through.
If externalizing my locust of strength and worship a God that I feel more real than the air that I breath helps me function, why does it bother you so badly?
Do you see the diifference between me and Bev, or has your own negative experiences blinded you to that?
Bev wants to change the world without action and argue with stop signs.
I want to act and just don't care what others believe unless they ask me first.
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| Jul 26 @ 6:12 PM |
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Jankia
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Do you believe that your destiny is predetermined? Nope
If it were,it would be a failures excuse for failing.Since its not predetermined the only excuse we have for leading a positive or a negative life is up to us as individuals. If we had predetermined destiny,chance would not be a factor in our lives and it is..
Do you believe there is a higher power guiding you over bumpy roads until you reach your "oasis?" Certainly do Loreli,its the same "higher power" that made those "bumpy roads" that guides us through them.Why are those roads made to be bumpy? To give us the strength to walk them.
We were given life,not a free pass to abuse it.
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| Jul 26 @ 6:28 PM |
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LaughTillYaPuke
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Nope. My past was defined a great deal by my parents. My recent past has been all my own choices and paths, and the future is all mine as well. To do with it as I will.
Higher power guiding me over the bumpy roads? Naw. When things get rough, I have my sister or her husband. Jim if the emergency can wait 8 hours. Otherwise, it'sup to this old girl to get down and dirty and take care of where she has suddenly found herself in life. 
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| Jul 26 @ 6:46 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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Do you believe there is a higher power guiding you over bumpy roads .....
if one cares to listen...really listen... there always is....
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| Jul 26 @ 7:33 PM |
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nah12
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Everyone looks for that proverbial crutch to lean on, blame or retreat to at times. Is it real or not or is just what you think you needed/wanted it to be at that moment?
Strength comes in many flavors and many forms. Is one the only answer or is one your only answer?
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| Jul 26 @ 8:48 PM |
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Thor1960303
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If externalizing my locust of strength and worship a God that I feel more real than the air that I breath helps me function, why does it bother you so badly?
Your personal choices don't bother me. It just makes me sad when people of intellignece substitute faith in myth for emotional reasons over objective reality. I had hoped that by the 21st century religious faith would subside in favor of rational thought.
Do you see the diifference between me and Bev, or has your own negative experiences blinded you to that?
Yes I see the difference, but my opinion of religion won't change. You're more intelligent than Bev, but faith in invisible people has never worked for me. I'm not a person who's heart rules the head, I work the other way around.
Bev wants to change the world without action and argue with stop signs.
I want to act and just don't care what others believe unless they ask me first.
That's just peachy with me. I wish more Christians had yours and Lance's attitude.
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| Jul 26 @ 10:58 PM |
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uab_5
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| Jul 26 @ 11:10 PM |
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Angel54214
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I am currently in mourning from a loss of a wonderful Christian family I know in my area. I hope in time I will be able to focus here and contribute.
Chris reached his destiny this week.
http://harvest.org/
Destiny....You just never know when it will happen.
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| Jul 26 @ 11:33 PM |
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Jankia
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It just makes me sad when people of intellignece substitute faith in myth for emotional reasons over objective reality. I had hoped that by the 21st century religious faith would subside in favor of rational thought.
If you were using rational thought Thor you wouldnt call faith in a myth unintelligent emotional reasons over objective reality.Religious faith is and has been the goal and the value of Christains for centuries.That my friend is rational thought.
So long as you brought up objective reality,because our world that consists of Jesus and God are not there for you outside your mind,why be sad that it is in and outside of ours?
One day you will find out that its not all emotional reasons that we use to follow what you think is a myth.
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| Jul 27 @ 6:45 AM |
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Thor1960303
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So long as you brought up objective reality,because our world that consists of Jesus and God are not there for you outside your mind,why be sad that it is in and outside of ours?
Because it's not real. It hinders man's progress. When critical thinking stops, a roadblock to learning and progress is put up. If religious faith is the goal, knowledge cannot be unless it is knowledge tainted with religious faith. Historically it has shown to hinder man's progress. Knowledge that runs contrary to what dogma says becomes "false", "demonically inspired", "blasphemy" or "heresy". Such is the legacy of Christianity.
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| Jul 27 @ 8:29 AM |
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sail_dancer
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If you were using rational thought Thor you wouldnt call faith in a myth unintelligent emotional reasons over objective reality.Religious faith is and has been the goal and the value of Christains for centuries.That my friend is rational thought. 
Wait! Wait! ..........I.....can't ......stttttop......
I need a cold glass of water!
Peace
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