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bevrice
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Lol, it was you, goose, who called it an unforgivable sin, not me or the Bible.
Okay, guys, have at him. He condemned you all to hell. He called himself god on here, you know.
I am headed for church. By the yash didn't show up, lol.
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| Jul 27 @ 11:03 AM |
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BandTMom
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The Goose IS God.
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| Jul 27 @ 11:07 AM |
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alivenwell351
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Considering that all of those faiths believe in astral projection.
hmmm...so just what would you call the crucifiction and resurrection??
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| Jul 27 @ 11:10 AM |
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BandTMom
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Buddhism is not a "faith" and Buddhists do not believe in anything that thy haven't proved to themselves, personally.
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| Jul 27 @ 11:50 AM |
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Loreli
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I think dreams are just a sign that your mind is constantly working, thinking, planning.
You can put a future situation (school test, wedding, etc) in your mind as you fall asleep and there is a good chance you will dream about it.
JMHO
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| Jul 27 @ 11:58 AM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Yep, and be careful what you're thinking about if you're going under sedation (as I recall thinking how gorgeoius that doctor was...  )
I rarely remember my dreams but woke up many times knowing the answer to a puzzle or riddle that I'd been trying to work out for days. My personal theory is that we're all part of all that there is, and the answers are out there if we just relax and join that cosmic flow...then all of a sudden we find our answers. Weird too, how you know they're true (Ah HA!!!) and if we backtrack through the logic, we can prove it. Obviously that's not about religion, I was thinking logic problems there.
On the rare occasions I remember them, they're usually X-rated. But then again, I wake up smiling most mornings.
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| Jul 27 @ 2:55 PM |
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j_goose
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Lol, it was you, goose, who called it an unforgivable sin, not me or the Bible.
Okay, guys, have at him. He condemned you all to hell. He called himself god on here, you know.
I am headed for church. By the yash didn't show up, lol.
Earlier in this thread you said manipulation is witchcraft. So is astral projection.
Still don't see where I condemned anyone. Nice stretch. Christian tactic.
Interesting you try to twist my words in hopes of turning all the logical thinkers against me, but they have comprehension skills.
And yes, I said I am God. No, actually I posted a pic of Jesus and said I was him.
Can you prove I'm not???
Go ahead, try...
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| Jul 27 @ 3:46 PM |
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nah12
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ah my children ... 
astral plane as spoken by Plato "Man is a little world (mikros cosmos). For, just like the Whole, he possesses both mind and reason, both a divine and a mortal body. He is also divided up according to the universe. It is for this reason, you know, that some are accustomed to say that his consciousness corresponds with the nature of the fixed stars, his reason in its contemplative aspect with Saturn and in its social aspect with Jupiter, (and) as to his irrational part, the passionate nature with Mars, the eloquent with Mercury, the appetitive with Venus, the sensitive with the Sun and the vegetative with the Moon."
So now Plato was into witchcraft ye say?
If so, so was the Roman empire, early religion of the Christian church, Hindu, the Muslim Quran and etc.
And yes the occult teachings say one can separate their consciousness from their physical body. But do ye truly speak of witchcraft or ones belief of what witchcraft is?
but indeed the absurdity of this thread as many are is amusing ....
THANKS ..........
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| Jul 27 @ 4:29 PM |
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Angel54214
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I thought this was bewitching! Nah! Can I borrow your hat, you can keep the broom!
The term "witchcraft" in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) refers to (mostly) women who used spoken curses to injure other people or destroy their property. The term, "witchcraft" in the Christian Scriptures (New Testament) refers to murderers who use poisons to kill people. In North America, "Witch" and "Witchcraft" most often refer to Wiccans and Wicca. (Oh those wicked wiccans) Wiccans are modern-day Neopagans. They follow Wicca, a new religion that has been created, in part, from ancient Celtic beliefs, practices, Gods, Goddesses, holy days and symbols. They follow the Wiccan Rede, a rule of behavior which prohibits Wiccans from performing any activity that dominates, manipulates, controls, or injures others. Thus, in terms of behavior, Wicca is a benign and healing religion; the "witchcrafts" mentioned in the Bible are evil and destructive. The two are exact opposites. That said, it is important to remember that: The Bible contains many passages exhibiting intolerance towards other religions, and almost no passages which actively promote inter-religious tolerance. Wicca is certainly a religion that is very different from Judaism and Christianity. Wicca, as well as Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Native Spirituality, Taoism, and hundreds of other religions are thus equally condemned by many verses in the Bible. Many Wiccans engage in specific practices to foretell the future. These include scrying, tarot cards, I Ching, runes, etc. Although these practices are not mentioned in the Bible, they are similar to other divination techniques which are condemned in various biblical passages. However, not all Wiccans engage in divination. And the vast majority of persons who use divination are not Wiccans. Who exactly is a Witch? In this section, we are considering whether the Bible specifically condemns Wicca. We have not been able to find any translation of either the Hebrew or Christian Scriptures which contains the words Wicca or Wiccan. However, many translations of the Bible, such as the King James Version and the New International Version, condemn what they call "Witches" and "Witchcraft". This causes serious misunderstandings. The religion of Wicca is one of at least 18 different practices associated with the term "witchcraft." Most of are unrelated to each other. Of these 18 practices, six main forms of "witchcraft" exist today. The most popular usages of "Witch" refer to: A woman of such incredible beauty that she bewitches men. An old woman, often portrayed with an evil appearance; sometimes called a "hag." A follower of Religious Satanism who either worships Satan or recognizes Satan as a virile pre-Christian, pagan concept. They may perform evil sorcery, but only against their enemies. A person devoted to performing evil sorcery: using rituals, spoken curses, etc to injure or kill others. A Wiccan; a follower of a modern religion that was reconstructed partly from an ancient religion of the Celts. Wiccans are prohibited from harming others. In Africa, a native healer who practices alternative, holistic medicine and may engage in evil sorcery. In TV programs like Bewitched, a person, usually a woman, who was born with supernatural abilities and is capable of performing miracles by waving a wand, wiggling a nose, etc. In children's books like the Harry Potter™ series, where people live in an alternative universe with unicorns, invisibility cloaks, dragons, talking animals, magical quills, flying broomsticks, magic wands, etc.
I loved the movie "Bedknobs and Broomsticks!"
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| Jul 27 @ 5:39 PM |
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bevrice
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Thank you, angel. Did you find that it was an unpardonable, unforgivable sin. I couldn't.
thank you, nah, you are right and that is incorporated into many different religions, beliefs, faiths.
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| Jul 27 @ 5:45 PM |
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horizon000
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Well....mmmmm... I have been looking at many sites regarding Christianity and Astral travel and a common thread that most share is that when you astral travel, you leave the body open to demon possession.... A lot also claim that christianity is the only religion and that all other faiths/beliefs will earn you a one way ticket to hell
Astral Travel.... A Christian perspective.
Nearly all claim this is the work of the devil and we should repent before it is too late. As a person with the ability to think for ones self, I find it difficult to follow and justify this frame of thinking. A faith that does not recognise others and condems them for thier beliefs is not conducent with discovery and personal growth. The "I am right and everyone else is wrong" argument does not sit well with me. I find it difficult to comprehend a mindset that can't even get it right amongst themselves.
The more I hear this kind of reasoning, the more I dont want to be a part of it. A belief that has no tolerance is not really the belief for me.
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| Jul 27 @ 9:06 PM |
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j_goose
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avoiding yet another post from a nonbeliever, Bev???
[QUOTE]And yes, I said I am God. No, actually I posted a pic of Jesus and said I was him.
Can you prove I'm not???
Go ahead, try... [QUOTE]
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| Jul 28 @ 10:22 AM |
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bevrice
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Horizon, they are right. I was searching other faiths when I did that.
It is much better to refrain from that, it can be very dangerous to indulge in that.
Mom, knotty will tell you that it is a part of buddhists beliefs, he and I have discussed it before.
Goose, lol, I had rather YOU prove it to ME. My God proves himself to me daily.
Let me see, Goose, send me a million dollars today. Come on, proove yourself. If you want to do it right, send me ten million.
I don't have to ask that of MY God because he provides for my needs daily, but since this is a one time thing.............................
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| Jul 28 @ 10:42 AM |
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j_goose
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Let me see, Goose, send me a million dollars today. Come on, proove yourself. If you want to do it right, send me ten million.
That is praying amiss, Bev.
And it's not in my will to do so right now.
SOunds JUST LIKE GOD doesn't it?
See, I AM GOD!!!
It just shows what kind of believer you are. First thing you do is ask for money.
And wans't it YOU who said the unbeliever needs to prove God does NOT exist?
You're a hypocrite, a heretic, and a greedy protestant. Why not pray for a cure for cancer, poverty, or protection for a small frightened child you lost?
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| Jul 28 @ 11:11 AM |
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Thor1960303
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I have gone to bed with problems to solve and woke up with the solution. I have interacted with people in my dreams to discuss issues and solutions.
I have too. Back in the days before you could get decent health products off the shelf, I bought supplements from several overseas companies. One such company was in Holland and I used to buy certain vitamins,minerals and other supplements from there. I used to deal over the phone (before internet days) with one particular fellow regularly. I had this dream that he and I were having lunch in Amsterdam (a place I've never been) and we were discussing in Dutch ( a language I don't speak) the possibility of me selling his line of products in the US( a line of work I would probably never consider). I had never met this man and had no idea what he looked like, but a few months later, when I picked up a newsletter from his company, there wan an article with his picture. He looked exactly like he looked in my dream.
Maybe too bad that I didn't pursue a sales rep position with his company. Several years later, the products that used to be sold overseas are now sold on the shelves of health food stores and gyms all over the country.
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| Jul 28 @ 11:29 AM |
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bevrice
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Lol, goose, because you are not God.
We pray and believe for cancer cures all the time. We see people healed of cancer all the time. We pray and send money to the impoverished all the time, but would never ask YOU to be supernatural. I hope YOU send money to the poor, goose.
Thor, so the face was the exact same face you saw in your dream. Does that tell you anything?
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| Jul 28 @ 11:36 AM |
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j_goose
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The poor can get a job.
Again you are all talk and no belief.
You still haven't proved that I am not god.
Hammer is going to be my son. Go ahead and crucify him. He'll be back by Thursday.
Thor, I think I can have him be my Paul. He doesn't know me personally, but he's a good writer....
And Puke will be my mary Magdaline. I think I'll let her stick around so I can tap that ass.
But I just cannot let myself spend the night with a young boy like Jesus did. Goose don't swing that way....
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| Jul 28 @ 11:40 AM |
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Thor1960303
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Thor, so the face was the exact same face you saw in your dream. Does that tell you anything?
Pretty darn close.Same build, same facial shape, same hair color(or as near as I could tell, the picture from the newsletter was black and white) What it tells me is that people,regardless of their diversity come in a very limited variety of facial shapes and arrangements. Certain people can get associated with certain voices and professions. My former associate from Amsterdam fit one of those molds (not difficult to do really, the department of Homeland Security uses this as a basis for their surveillance work) and my subconscious created the imagery that already had about a 60% chance of fitting the reality. If memory serves there were some minor differences in the image. I dreamed this man wore eyeglasses, in the picture, he didn't.
As for the language, I have no way of knowing if I was actually speaking Nederlander dialect or gibberish that my subconscious created.After all, it was a dream. I don't speak Dutch, but I do have a working knowledge of German which there is some similarity to, so I don't think my subconscious would have a problem creating what "dream sounded" like Nederlander.
Nothing paranormal or supernatural, Bev, sorry.
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pamdemonium
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If you believe the visionaries receive messages at Medjugorge, and have read the concordences, you would know that visitations via dreams don't happen in opposition to God. They only happen by His grace.
There is so much more involved in the universe than the bible. So much more than we can ever know. This arguing over it all is so ridicuolous.
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| Jul 28 @ 12:46 PM |
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bevrice
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Amen, pam, the supernatural is real. God is real. The fact that people can go to sleep at night and wake up with solutions to their problems prooves that there is a God, a force that is way beyond them or they could have come up with that solution themselves.
Thor, you should know different than that. If you had done what maybe that dream was telling you to do, you would be a very wealthy man by now.
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