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sealacamp
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A lot has been said about that here and in other places so I thought just a bit of research was in order. I'm sure some of you will read this with an open mind while others will maintain an unreasonable stance. This is the conclusion of the research:
In conclusion, I think that Hitler was not an atheist, but he was not a Christian either. While he was materialist and rationalist in a lot of things, he also talked a lot about "Providence", or "Nature", as a sort of mystical force of fate, and he saw himself as somehow destined for victory even when the war was going badly for him, simply because of the purity of his purpose, his strength of will, and his feeling of destiny. I have even read that he believed in reincarnation. To me, some of his quotes and writings make it sound like he worshipped the German national identity; some make it seem like instead of God he worshipped or idealised or divinised Providence / Nature / Fate, with his glorious destiny assured no matter what; and in some ways it seems to me like he worshipped himself.
This is the link to the entire research page which examines actions along with all religious based statements by Hitler himself:
Hitler Religion
Just what did this person believe? You decide.
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hammertime
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I know most of you stupid Christians ONLY focus on Hitler himself with regards to the Holocaust because you omit, deny and hide from that fact that most Germans were Christian and were indoctrinated way back by the likes of Martin Luther that Jews were bad people who should be punished and exterminated. I say stupid Christians because such stupidity is willful and deliberate ignorance.
Hitler used the beliefs of Christians to his advantage just like any other Christian evangelist....Who the f*** cares what Hitler himself believed even though he claimed to be Christian? Most of you delusionals also claim to be Christian and show bigotry against all other faiths and religions and condemn those folks to suffer eternal torment. All Hitler did was carry out that torment against the Jews. A torment you believe in.
It is your Christian dogma that murdered Jews..
In 1543 Luther wrote "On Jews and their Lies"
I had made up my mind to write no more either about the Jews or against them. But since I learned that these miserable and accursed people do not cease to lure to themselves even us, that is, the Christians, I have published this little book, so that I might be found among those who opposed such poisonous activities of the Jews who warned the Christians to be on their guard against them There is no other explanation for this than the one cited earlier from Moses — namely, that God has struck the Jews with 'madness and blindness and confusion of mind.' So we are even at fault in not avenging all this innocent blood of our Lord and of the Christians which they shed for three hundred years after the destruction of Jerusalem, and the blood of the children they have shed since then (which still shines forth from their eyes and their skin). We are at fault in not slaying them. Rather we allow them to live freely in our midst despite all their murdering, cursing, blaspheming, lying, and defaming; we protect and shield their synagogues, houses, life, and property. In this way we make them lazy and secure and encourage them to fleece us boldly of our money and goods, as well as to mock and deride us, with a view to finally overcoming us, killing us all for such a great sin, and robbing us of all our property (as they daily pray and hope). Now tell me whether they do not have every reason to be the enemies of us accursed Goyim, to curse us and to strive for our final, complete, and eternal ruin!
The evidence is overwhelming that the evil dogma of Christianity was behind the Holocaust.
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| Jul 28 @ 7:44 AM |
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hammertime
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John Calvin writes
Their [the Jews] rotten and unbending stiffneckedness deserves that they be oppressed unendingly and without measure or end and that they die in their misery without the pity of anyone.
Justin Martyr (100-165 c.e.)
One hundred years later, in his Dialogue with Trypho the Jew, the apologist Justin Martyr, a Gentile Christian, had a rather different view of the Jews and their status before God than that expressed by Paul. In Dialogue 119 Justin says to Trypho the Jew: "And we [Christians] shall inherit the Holy Land together with Abraham, receiving our inheritance for all eternity, because by our similar faith we have become children of Abraham. . . . Thus, God promised Abraham a religious and righteous nation of like faith, and a delight to the Father; but it is not you, 'in whom there is no faith' [ Deut. 32:20]." According to Justin, the patriarchal promises do not apply to the Jews; rather, God has transferred these promises to the Christians and, as we shall see, to Gentile Christians in particular. For Justin, apart from Christ the Jews stood as a cursed people who had renounced all claim to the Abrahamic promises--indeed, a people whom God had renounced as God's children. The Jews had been disinherited.
---Disinheriting the Jews: Abraham in Early Christian Controversy.
Saint Augustine (300 - 430 c.e.)
In his Commentary on Psalm 58-59, Augustine wrote:
The Jews have been scattered throughout all nations as witnesses to their own sin and to our truth. They themselves hold the writings that have prophesied Christ. If a pagan doubts Christ, we can prove his Messiahship because he was predicted in the writings of the Jews themselves a long time ago. And so by means of one enemy [the Jews] we confound another enemy [the pagans]. 'Scatter them abroad, take away their strength. And bring them down O Lord'
Augustine writes in his "Reply to Faustus, the Manichaean"
Not by bodily death shall the ungodly race of carnal Jews perish. . . . To the end of the seven days of time, the continued preservation of the Jews will be a proof to believing Christians of the subjection merited by those who, in the pride of their kingdom, put the Lord to death. . . . 'And the Lord God set a mark upon Cain, lest any one finding him should slay him.' . . . Only when a Jew comes over to Christ, he is no longer Cain.
In 415 c.e. Augustine wrote
The true image of the Hebrew is Judas Iscariot, who sells the Lord for silver. The Jew can never understand the Scriptures and forever will bear the guilt for the death of Jesus.
Catholic doctrine
"The ceremonies of the Jews are both baneful and deadly to Christians and whoever keeps them is doomed to the abyss of the devil."
---Epistle 82
The Blood Libels
In 1150 the Blood Libel was invented by monk Thomas of Monmouth. Esentallty this is where Jews were falsely accused of kidnapping boys, killing them in a reenacment of the Crucifixion. Stories grew over time.
In 1168, a boy found dead was said to have been tortured by Jews.
In 1247, Valreas accros the French/German border Jews were tortured into confessing that a missing child was crucified to use the blood in ritual canibalism.
and many more false accounts.....
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bevrice
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Who is to say that history won't look at us so unfavorably for even the war we are engaged in right now, under a Christian leader? How many of you have voted for someone, only to find out later that they didn't represent what you believed? Do you think the Germans, any of them, could stand up against Hitler once they found out what he was really about? Do you think they wanted to be sent to the concentration camps and executed along with the Jews?
You have to understand the mind set of the German peoples before the war and why they were so easily led and influenced by Hitler. It had nothing to do with religions.
THE POWERS that emerged victorious from World War I made a second war almost inevitable by the peace conditions they imposed upon Germany. That second war was later made certain, not by the intentions of Hitler but by the determination of his eternal enemies to destroy the new Germany that he had created.
By the Treaty of Versailles on 28 June 1919 and the Treaty of St. Germain on 20 September of the same year, the German people were thoroughly humiliated. The British Prime Minister, Lloyd George, wrote:
'The international bankers swept statesmen, politicians, journalists and jurists all to one side and issued their orders with the imperiousness of absolute monarchs.'
The old Austrian Empire was balkanised without respect to its various cultures and nationalities. East Prussia was separated from Germany by a large area ceded to Poland. The Sudeten Germans were placed under Czech control. The coal mining area of the Saar Valley was to be administered for fifteen years by the League of Nations and then a plebiscite held. The corrupt Weimar Republic was forced upon the German nation and the middle classes were robbed of their savings by corrupt finance. There were millions of unemployed and the Sparticist Jewish revolutionary leaders Karl Leibknecht and Rosa Luxembourg were stirring up red revolution.
ALIEN CONTROL
The Daily Mail reported on 10 July 1933:
'The German nation, moreover, was rapidly falling under the control of its alien elements. In the last days of the pre-Hitler regime there were twenty times as many Jewish government officials in Germany as had existed before the war. Israelites of international attachments were insinuating themselves into key positions in the German administrative machine.'
Dr. Manfred Reifer, a well known leader of the Jews of Bukovina, wrote in the Jewish magazine Czernowitzer Allegemeine Zeitung (September 1933):
'Whilst large sections of the German nation were struggling for the preservation of their race, we Jews filled the streets of Germany with our vociferations. We supplied the press with articles on the subject of its Christmas and Easter and administered to its religious beliefs in the manner we considered suitable. We ridiculed the highest ideals of the German nation and profaned the matters which it holds sacred.'
Resentment and resistance began to build up against the alien horde and in the year before Adolf Hitler came to power Bernard Lecache, President of the World Jewish League, stated:
'Germany is our public enemy number one. It is our object to declare war without mercy against her.'
The National Socialist Party of Adolf Hitler gained 17,300,000 votes in the election and gained 288 seats in the Reichstag. On 30 January 1933 Hitler was legally appointed Chancellor of the German Reich by President Von Hindenberg. On 24 March 1933 the Reichstag elected by 441 votes to 94 to give full emergency powers to the new Reich Chancellor and the corrupt Weimar Republic ceased to exist.
On that same day, 24 March 1933, on the front page of the London Daily Express appeared the main headlines: "Judaea declares war on Germany: Jews of all the world unite", and followed with:
'The Israelite people of the entire world declare economic and financial war on Germany. The appearance of the Swastika as the symbol of the new Germany revives the old war symbol of the Jews. Fourteen million Jews stand as one body to declare war on Germany. The Jewish wholesale dealer leaves his business, the banker his bank, the shopkeeper his shop, the beggar his miserable hut in order to combine forces in the holy war against Hitler's people.'
The German government was removing Jews from influential positions and transferring power back to the German people. This declaration of war by the Jews on Germany was repeated throughout the world. The first boycott of Jewish business concerns came after this Jewish declaration of war in April 1933.
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hammertime
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Bev
Are one of those stupid Christians I mentioned above? Your posted garbage rubbish stupidity because your dogma is sick and evil. You only cut and paste this sort of trash to cover up facts about your religion.
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bevrice
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TOTAL DESTRUCTION DEMANDED
Vladimir Jabotinsky, founder of the Irgun Zvai Leumi terrorist organisation, wrote in the January 1934 issue of Mascha Rjetach:
'For months now the struggle against Germany is waged by each Jewish community at each conference in all our syndicates and by each Jew all over the world. There is reason to believe that our part in this struggle has general value. We will start a spiritual and material war of all the world against Germany's ambitions to become once again a great nation, to recover lost territories and colonies. But our Jewish interests demand Germany's total destruction, collectively and individually. The German nation is a threat to us Jews.'
Emil Ludwig Cohen wrote in his book The New Holy Alliance, Strasburg, 1938:
'Even if Hitler at the last moment would want to avoid war which would destroy him he will, in spite of his wishes, be compelled to wage war.'
Bernard Lechache wrote in The Right to Live (December 1938):
'It is our task to organise the moral and cultural blockade of Germany and disperse this nation. It is up to us to start a merciless war.'
The Jewish newspaper Central Blad Voor Israeliten in Nederlands printed on 13 September 1939:
'The millions of Jews living in America, England, France, North Africa and South, not forgetting Palestine, have decided to carry on the war in Germany to the very end. It is to be a war of extermination.'
The Toronto Star (26 February 1940) printed a declaration of a Rabbi Perlberg, Director of the British section of the Jewish World Congress:
'The Jewish World Congress is in a state of war with Germany for seven years.'
The Jewish magazine Sentinel of Chicago printed in its issue of 8 October 1940:
'When the National Socialists and their friends cry or whisper that this [the war] is brought about by Jews, they are perfectly right.'
Hitler now put into operation the plan of getting all German areas into one state and all Germans under one German Government. The Germans in the Rhineland, the Germans in Austria and the Sudeten Germans responded willingly. In January 1935 the Saar Valley voted to return to Germany with a 90 per-cent poll in favour. There were also Germans in East Prussia and in Danzig now divided by land ceded to Poland by the Treaty of Versailles. It is interesting to note that between 1933 and 1937 10,000 Jews migrated to Hitler's Germany, 97 of them from Palestine.
THE MUNICH AGREEMENT
An agreement was signed between Germany (Hitler) and Great Britain (Neville Chamberlain) which suggested a peaceful revision of the wrongs committed by the Treaty of Versailles. A four-power conference was suggested which would preserve the peace. The four powers were Great Britain, Germany, France and Italy.
The paper Truth of 5 January 1952 stated that Mr. Oswald Pirow, South African Minister of Defence, was sent on a mission to Germany in 1938 by General Smuts to ease the tension on the Jewish issue. The British Prime Minister told Pirow that pressure of International Jewry was one of the principal obstacles to an Anglo-German accommodation and that it would greatly help him resist that pressure if Hitler could be induced to moderate his policy towards the German Jews. Pirow stated that Hitler viewed this idea with favour and an Anglo-German agreement was in sight; the effect would have been, in the event of war, to limit the conflict to Germany and Russia, with the other great powers intervening to enforce their own terms when the combatants were exhausted.
However, the Four Nations Pact was not to be. The Jews put an end to this, for on 7 November 1938, a few weeks after the Munich Agreement and shortly before the journey to Paris of the German Foreign Minister, Von Ribbentrop, the Polish Jew, Herschel Feibel Grynszpan murdered the German Third Secretary of State, Ernst von Rath, in the German Embassy in Paris. The five bullets fired were the logical result of the Jews' declaration of war on Germany of March 1933 and put an end to the effort being made to explain and extend the importance of the Munich Agreement and the revision of the Treaty of Versailles.
This assassination provoked anti-Jewish riots in Germany, with the burning of synagogues and the looting and burning of Jewish shops. The anti-Jewish riots inflamed public opinion in Great Britain and the USA against Chamberlain's efforts to relieve Anglo-German tension. In the United States Germans were assaulted and persecuted. The Jews began leaving Germany.
The Paris magazine L'Ami du Peuple wrote about them:
'These people fled from Germany because they attempted to set up a rule of fire and blood and to let loose the horrors of civil war and universal chaos.'
The American Secretary of State, James Forrestal, who later died in mysterious circumstances, wrote in his Forrestal Diaries (Cassel and Co., London 1952):
'Have played golf with Joe Kennedy [US Ambassador in Britain, father of President John Kennedy]. According to him, Chamberlain declared that Zionism and world Jewry have obliged England to enter the war.'
The Jew, Schlomo Asch, in a pep talk to French troops in the line in Le Nouvelles Litteraires (10 February 1940) wrote:
'This is our war and you are fighting it for us. Even if we Jews are not bodily in the trenches we are nevertheless morally with you.'
On 8 October 1942 Sentinel magazine stated unequivocally:
'The Second World War is being fought for the defence an
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bevrice
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On 8 October 1942 Sentinel magazine stated unequivocally:
'The Second World War is being fought for the defence and fundamentals of Judaism.'
TERROR BOMBING
Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain had given an assurance that:
'The British Government would never resort to the deliberate attack on women and children and other civilians for the purpose of mere terrorism.'
However, his successor Winston Churchill appointed as his personal adviser the Jew Professor Lindemann. Lindemann, later Lord Cherwell, suggested the bombing of German cities and that working class areas were legitimate targets, and from then onwards the last vestiges of civilised decency in warfare were abandoned. These bombings began on 10 August 1940 with the bombing of the small open town of Freiburg on the Swiss frontier. Fifty-three civilians were killed, including twenty children playing in the park. It was reported by Mr. Taylor of the American Red Cross in the New York Times of 3 May 1940. This was before the Germans began bombing British cities. Mr. J. M. Speight, CBE, Principal Secretary to the Air Ministry, wrote in his book The Splendid Decision:
'Adolf Hitler only undertook the bombing of British civilian targets reluctantly after the RAF had commenced bombing German civilian targets... It gave Coventry, Birmingham, Sheffield and Southampton the right to look Kiev, Kharkov, Stalingrad and Sebastopol in the face. Our Soviet allies would have been less critical of our inactivity if they had understood what we had done... Hitler would have been willing at my time to stop the slaughter. Hitler was genuinely anxious to reach with Britain an agreement confining the action of aircraft to battle zones.'
VENGEANCE
In 1941, long before there was any assembling of Jews for the supposed extermination camps, a Jew, Theodor N. Kaufman, wrote Germany Must Perish. Kaufman set out a plan for the total destruction of the German population by a very simple method: the mass sterilisation of all German men and women between the age of puberty and sixty years. He described the construction of the organisation for doing this. This book was the basis of the Morgenthau Plan for the total destruction of German industry and the enslavement of the German race. Naturally these intentions of Germany's enemy got into the hands of the German propaganda minister Goebbels, and it stiffened the resistance of the German nation to avoid defeat. The Morgenthau Plan formed the basis of discussions between President Roosevelt and Soviet leader Stalin acting through his liaison officer, the Soviet Jew Zabrousky, and also formed the basis of the Yalta Agreement.
From a pre-1993 edition of John Tyndall's Spearhead magazine
Okay, so Germany was an oppressed peoples because of the sanctions of WWI.
This war seems to me to be one of desperation, evil, extermination of innocent people, but not because of their religious beliefs on either side, but because of the people's resentment. This is why they fell so easily into the war. Not because they were Lutherans.
These are historical fact, hammer, you should delve into history before you call something a "Christian" war.
www.heretical.com/mkilliam/wwii.html
[Edited on 7/28/2008 8:47 AM]
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sealacamp
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You only cut and paste this sort of trash to cover up facts about your religion.
Idiot! You constantly ignore the majority of facts in order to focus on the few that misrepresent Christ in the first place. You are so busy trying to denounce something that is misrepresented by the few while ignoring the greater good that Christ has given to all of humankind. In that respect you are like Stalin or Hitler, take your choice.
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hammertime
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Sewercamp
You're the idiot and stupid because you deny Christian influence on the hate and antisemitism. Bev's massive garbage postings are only meant to wipe out mine cause I posted facts. Your OP is only meant to cover up Christian responsibility that is a document fact. You and Bev are both Antisemitic and consider Jews to be Christ killers.
Whats this mean?
misrepresented by the few while ignoring the greater good that Christ has given to all of humankind. 
Is your bullshit myth trying to compensate for the Holocaust? You're pretty sick.
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bevrice
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Amen, seal.
This is stuff I learned in world history class in junior high, hammer.
I have nothing against Jewish people, hammer, I almost married a Jewish man, lol. I have nothing against any peoples.
You know what is strange, I hear people like you fussing about the arabs and hindus and peoples of other countries coming over here to run businesses and sending the monies back to their home countries. Maybe you have the same mindset as the German people did, hammer.
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hammertime
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Bev
You had no education. You've constantly lied about that. You've learn your delusions from religious schools which in essence is not about facts but religious fantasy.
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bevrice
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Hammer, sincie you can't refute the facts, and were proven wrong, you resort to personal attacks, childish of you. You are pitiful and very obvious.
You should have known all that stuff yourself if you even made it to Junior High School.
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hammertime
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Bev
I did no personal attacks but Sewercamp did. All I said you're a liar but thats been confirmed. How is that a personal attack? You have lied about your education and lied by saying you're a psychologist. We all know that already. Old news.
You are blaming the Jews for their own problems and Sewercamp is claiming the myth of Christ compensates for the Holocaust. You live in a sick world.
The documented facts about Martin Luther and Christianity and church fathers are in the record. Their antisemtism is a fact.
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sail_dancer
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Seal,
Just what did this person believe? You decide. To make a decision, one must have choices. You have only provided the American christian's viewpoint so you have not presented the members of this forum with enough information to decide and answer your question.
Here are some links from a site dedicated to Hitler "Adolf Hitler Research Society":
Hitler’s Persecution of Jews: The Influence of Christianity
Hitler and the Catholic Church: The Lie That Hitler Was An Atheist
Positive Christianity: The Living Faith of Hitler’s National Socialism
Understanding Hitler’s Conception of Christianity
Disclaimer:I do not in any way support the views contained in these links. I am providing them to give some insite into Hitler's and his supporters concepts of christianity and how christian dogma because of its contradictory teachings can be dangerous to mankind.
There is no doubt that Hitler was a christian and influenced by Luther and bible scripture. Hitler was a warped individual that followed a christianity that only fueled his warped concepts of the world's destiny.
Check out the rest of the site and see how easily christian dogma can encourage a madman such as Hitler and cause massive atrocities.
Did christianity fuel a madman's insanity? Did christianity in any way speak out against this madman? Did Luther's influence on Hitler spark the genocide attributed to him?
The decision is yours.
Peace
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bevrice
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Hammer, those things are recorded history. Like I said, things I learned in Jr. High.
I have never lied about my education of anything else. Time after time I have offered to send you my credentials, copies of my degrees, you never took me up on it, until you do, please refrain from calling me a liar.
In conclusion, your ignorance of the facts of WWII make me wonder if you even made it to Junior High School. I think World History was Eighth or Ninth grade stuff. Would you please tell of YOUR education. Your lack of ability to respond in an intelligent manner makes me wonder if you have any education at all.
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hammertime
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Bevs delusion This war seems to me to be one of desperation, evil, extermination of innocent people, but not because of their religious beliefs on either side, but because of the people's resentment. This is why they fell so easily into the war. Not because they were Lutherans.
These are historical fact, hammer, you should delve into history before you call something a "Christian" war.
Martin Luther wrote.
First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past unknowingly and I myself was unaware of it will be pardoned by God. But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they lie about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse ourselves, as we very well know.
Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues. Instead they might be lodged under a roof or in a barn, like the gypsies. This will bring home to them that they are not masters in our country, as they boast, but that they are living in exile and in captivity, as they incessantly wail and lament about us before God.
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hammertime
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please refrain from calling me a liar. Simple solution.....
Are you are psychologist? YES or NO
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bevrice
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Sail, I would like to know the same about you. I gave you documented historical facts. These things were taught in World History Class in Junior High, now tell us about YOUR education.
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bevrice
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Hammer, I am a liscensed Christian psychologist, that is my degree. LCP. I also have a lpc, Liscensed pastoral counselor, and an lcc, liscensed Christian counselor, I am also a Liscensed Clinical Psychologist.
I will tell you this, a psychiatric nurse at Scott and White Hospital got her masters at my school, and the hospital PAID for her schooling.
Now, hammer, sail, put up or shut up.
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bevrice
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My goodness, the German Lutherans showed GREAT restraint, lol, what year did Martin Luther write that?
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