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Thor1960303
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I know this has been done before, but this article brought up some things I didn't know before, AND it was written by a former pastor. See, I can cut and paste, too.
Son/Sun Worship
The history of sun worship, so seemingly foreign to the Western mind has, in fact, manifested itself into Christianity in many ways as the story of Jesus in the Gospels. So little was known about the life of Jesus, any and all writing styles from Midrash (searching past scriptures for "hints" of how they might apply to the present) to discerning the story of the Zodiac and it's constellations were used to fill in what was clearly missing in the literal record.
Consider our "modern" terms, Horizon and Sun Set. These terms belie their ancient history. Horus-sun (Horizon) was sunrise as Horus was the Egyptian god of light and the day light portion of the 24 hour cycle. Set, was the god of darkness and night. He came on the scene at "Sun Set" and is the Jackal headed god of the Egyptian underworld. When we say "what a beautiful Sun Set," we don't realize we are speaking as one might in ancient Egypt. Darkness was the time of Set, god of darkness. Night time was not a good time in most ancient mythologies. This is why many a priest stood every morning acting as if by incantation and arm waving, he could bring back the Sun/Son from the Underworld of darkness and fear. The sun descending into hell is something it did every Sun-Set. There was relief every morning when the sun/son was reborn.
Set murdered Osiris and in turn, Horus, son of Osiris, killed Set. Sunrise on the Horus-Sun defeats the night which began at Sun Set. Pretty cool huh? Jesus struggles with Satan (Set or Sata) in just the same way Horus battles with Set. It's all dualism. It's Light and Dark, good and evil, God and Satan.
"Set kills Osiris and scatters his body, then claims the throne of the gods for his own. He is later struck down by Horus, the son of Osiris, who restores order to the world and sets up the pharaohs as the guardians of Maat. Set and Horus continue to battle for control of the world, setting up an epic conflict of good versus evil." (Light and Dark) David C. Scott Website. Gods and Mythology of Egypt.
Consider the fact that Jesus is surrounded by 12 disciples and the events of Jesus life are like the Sun of God surrounded by the 12 signs of the Zodiac that make up the way of the sun across the heavens in one year. Just as the 12 sons of Jacob and the 12 tribes of Israel are astro-theology personified and are in fact references to the zodiac and the story it tells. We might not watch the heavens anymore, and we know precious little about the zodiac, the characters and the revolving story they tell, but our ancestors read the heavens as we read books today.
For instance, many of the world's crucified god men have their traditional birthday on December 25th ("Christmas"). This was a basic understanding we had in WCG and was not off the mark. Today, there is many times more material to show this connection.
This is because the ancients recognized that (from an earthcentric perspective) the sun makes an annual descent southward until December 21st or 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops moving southerly for three days and then starts to move northward again. During this time, the ancients declared that "God's sun" had "died" for three days and was "born again" on December 25th. So Xmas really is the Birthday of the SUN/SON in every way.
The ancients realized quite abundantly that they needed the sun to return every day and that they would be in big trouble if the sun continued to move southward and did not stop and reverse its direction. Thus, these many different cultures celebrated the "sun of God's" birthday on December 25th.
In reality, the sun "dies" for three days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops in its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. For those three days it might be said the Sun is in the grave.
In December, the Virgin, the constellation Virgo precedes sunrise and thus, "Behold, a Virgin shall bring forth the sun/son," would be part of the story in the heavens. Matthew literalized the story in his reacing back into Isaiah for a story about a young woman that had virtually nothing to with prophecy of a literal virgin birth or Jesus himself.
Remember the alternative explanation of Isa. 14 and "how thou art fallen, oh Lucifer, (light Bringer-Venus precedes sunrise), thou bright and morning star," (Venus). Remember how Venus appears to rise and then descends back into the earth and how this IS the origin of the story of Satan's fall for trying to ascend to God's Throne, which is astro-theologically NOON. Everyone sees "Satan fall as lightening from heaven" at one time or another during the year if you know what Venus looks like just before Sun rise on the Horus-sun, or even shortly after Sun-Set.
Something that bright got humanity's attention and the stories of it's apparent motion followed and then were literalized by the theologically ignorant. Venus always was and always will be a planet on the inside orbit between earth and the sun. It behaves as it does because it is as it is. Whole theologies have grown up around that which could not then be explained but now can be easily explained. Once you have the true explanation, you can drop the false one.
The Jesus story in the gospels may also be th
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| Jul 31 @ 10:58 AM |
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Thor1960303
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The Jesus story in the gospels may also be the story of the Sun/Son of God.
The sun is the "Light of the World." Just as Jesus.
The sun "cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him." Just as Jesus.
The sun rising in the morning is the "Savior of mankind." Just as Jesus.
The sun wears a corona, "crown of thorns" or halo. Just as Jesus.
The sun "walks on water." Just as Jesus.
The sun can turn water (rain) into wine (grapes) Just as Jesus.
The sun's "followers," "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. Just as Jesus.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High"; thus, "he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. Just as Jesus.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30°; (30x12=360 degrees) hence, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. Just as Jesus.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified," which represents its passing through the equinoxes, the vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. Just as Jesus.
(Archarya S.-- Suns of God/The Christ Conspiracy)
Consider the following.
The rejection of Cain's grain offering (Agricultural Goddess and fertility recognition of the religions surrounding Israel) and the acceptance of Abel's (roasted meat) offering was a symbol of the change to come in Israel from Matriarchy and female based religion, to Patriarchy, Priesthood and cultic temple worship and sacrifices. The story is not true, the message was clear! Women are now property and men own them, no matter what the "pagan" nations around practice or respect in the mysteries of the feminine and fertility. (sex if you must know!)
Little has changed in the Christian Patriarchy since which is why for years I allowed myself to say the words, "who gives this woman..." in marriage ceremonies. I stopped including that in the wedding ceremony at the end. The Father always formally transferred his property to the qualified and selected male and I had to be the priest in the middle negotiating the transaction! Men have had way too much time to screw up the planet and it's time perhaps to let the feminine spirit restore the right side of the brain in humans! It's time to act as the one we really all are inspite of that which divides us.
The physical sun has always fascinated human beings. It "rises" in the east to bring it's warmth, light, and "sets" in the West, plunging the world into darkness with all the associated insecurites and dangers. It was truly a miracle and a most welcomed relief when every morning, the Sun rose from the land of the dead to bring it's light and protection for yet another day. It's cycles and apparent motion through the constellations has told the story of mankind for thousands of years, with all our hopes and fears. The physical Sun has been much of the inspiration of the spiritual son mythologies.
We're all still sun/son worshippers at heart.
Dennis Diehl is a former Church Pastor of 26 years. He now has a therapeutic massage practice in SC.
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| Jul 31 @ 11:25 AM |
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hammertime
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We're all still sun/son worshippers at heart. So what this amounts to is that people with a nice bronze tan and sipping Pina Coladas and Margaritas are the true Christians.
[Edited on 7/31/2008 11:26 AM]
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| Jul 31 @ 11:26 AM |
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Thor1960303
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Floridians and Californians must be especially holy. 
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| Jul 31 @ 11:29 AM |
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hammertime
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Well, they did build the Holy Land there in Orlando. We tried going. We went on Sunday but it was closed and there was some guy wearing a robe walking on the side of the highway. His ass must have ran out of gas.
http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/11314
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| Jul 31 @ 11:54 AM |
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horizon000
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Consider the fact that Jesus is surrounded by 12 disciples and the the one true events of Jesus life are like the Sun of God surrounded by the 12 signs of the Zodiac that make up the way of the sun across the heavens in one year. Just as the 12 sons of Jacob and the 12 tribes of Israel are astro-theology personified and are in fact references to the zodiac and the story it tells. We might not watch the heavens anymore, and we know precious little about the zodiac, the characters and the revolving story they tell, but our ancestors read the heavens as we read books today
Or what about the twelve colonies of Kobul searching for the thirteenth tribe (Earth) in Battlestar Galactica. Or the 12 Cylon models that follow the one true Cylon God.
Perhaps Baltar is Jesus???
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| Jul 31 @ 1:19 PM |
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Thor1960303
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Many sci fi movies, books and TV shows are based on ancient myths.
Perhaps Baltar is Jesus???
He kind of resembles him.
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| Jul 31 @ 1:31 PM |
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LaughTillYaPuke
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The Jesus story in the gospels may also be the story of the Sun/Son of God.
The sun is the "Light of the World." Just as Jesus.
The sun "cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him." Just as Jesus.
The sun rising in the morning is the "Savior of mankind." Just as Jesus.
The sun wears a corona, "crown of thorns" or halo. Just as Jesus.
The sun "walks on water." Just as Jesus.
The sun can turn water (rain) into wine (grapes) Just as Jesus.
The sun's "followers," "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. Just as Jesus.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High"; thus, "he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. Just as Jesus.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30°; (30x12=360 degrees) hence, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. Just as Jesus.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified," which represents its passing through the equinoxes, the vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. Just as Jesus.
This was fabulous! 
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| Jul 31 @ 1:34 PM |
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hammertime
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| Jul 31 @ 3:28 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Thor,
Here is an excerpt from the Zeitgeist "The Greatest Story Ever Told" Transcript:Jesus Christ was born of the virgin Mary on December 25th [D] in Bethlehem, his birth was announced by a star in the east, which three kings or magi followed to locate and adorn the new savior.[D] He was a child teacher at 12, at the age of 30 he was baptized by John the Baptist, and thus began his ministry. Jesus had 12 disciples which he traveled about with performing miracles such as healing the sick, walking on water, raising the dead, he was also known as the "King of Kings," the "Son of God," the "Light of the World," the "Alpha and Omega," the "Lamb of God," and many others. After being betrayed by his disciple Judas and sold for 30 pieces of silver, he was crucified, placed in a tomb and after 3 days was resurrected and ascended into Heaven.[S59]
First of all, the birth sequence is completely astrological. The star in the east is Sirius, the brightest star in the night sky, which, on December 24th, aligns with the 3 brightest stars in Orion's Belt. [S60] [M] These 3 bright stars are called today what they were called in ancient times: The Three Kings.[S61] [S62] The Three Kings and the brightest star, Sirius, all point to the place of the sunrise on December 25th.[S63] [M] This is why the Three Kings "follow" the star in the east, in order to locate the sunrise -- the birth of the sun.[S64] [M]
The Virgin Mary is the constellation Virgo, [S65] also known as Virgo the Virgin. Virgo in Latin means virgin. The ancient glyph for Virgo is the altered "m". This is why Mary along with other virgin mothers, such as Adonis's mother Myrrha [S66], or Buddha's mother Maya [S67] begin with an M.[S68] [M] Virgo is also referred to as the House of Bread [S69] [S70], and the representation of Virgo is a virgin holding a sheaf of wheat. This House of Bread and its symbol of wheat represents August and September, the time of harvest. [D] In turn, Bethlehem, in fact, literally translates to "house of bread". [M] [S71] Bethlehem is thus a reference to the constellation Virgo , a place in the sky, not on Earth. It adds to your list.
Peace
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| Jul 31 @ 4:07 PM |
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uncrazy
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Sail,
...his birth was announced by a star in the east,...
In the Essene structure there was a Star of David and a Sceptre, I found references to the Star of David to be a title for Hillel, Joseph's grandfather, and the title fell to Joseph, Jesus's father. Jeseph might have had zealot leanings, as also Judas Iscariot and Thaddeus.
This then can have Joseph the father leading the Magi, or magians in order to acknowledge the birth into the dynastic House of David.
Simon Magus was a Magian, a very important player in the drama in the gospels and Acts, we can see his influence if we find his alternate names, title and symbols.
...the Sceptre points to someone else.
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| Jul 31 @ 4:15 PM |
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Thor1960303
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Given all of this information, how can anyone look at Christianity and take it so literal when it's meaning is so obvious to anyone with a brain? 
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| Jul 31 @ 4:24 PM |
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uncrazy
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Thor,
It was a story told by the powerful to be believed under pain of death or social ostracizing.
The pain of death has now moved into the afterlife, which guides thinking and beliefs now to safequard against what is feared later due to wrong thinking.
Our worship may be in error, but the propaganda has allowed even thinking by itself to be heretical, improper, incorrect, or immoral...a greater error for us...we get to take our pick from those daming us to eternal torment.
I see the face of God even in those that damn us; not seeing His face would be problematic for me. For them they have found justification in a holy book to not seek His face in me.
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| Jul 31 @ 4:32 PM |
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Thor1960303
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but the propaganda has allowed even thinking by itself to be heretical, improper, incorrect, or immoral...a greater error for us...we get to take our pick from those daming us to eternal torment.
The only motivation I can see for espousing such a belief is CONTROL.
see the face of God even in those that damn us; not seeing His face would be problematic for me. For them they have found justification in a holy book to not seek His face in me.
Then you're obviously walking the walk and not just talking the talk like they are.
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| Jul 31 @ 8:55 PM |
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kattsmeow
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Many sci fi movies, books and TV shows are based on ancient myths.
Within all myths are some truth. It is up to the person to find it.
Something that was brought to my attention was/is, with all the older Sci-Fi books, how many now do we actually see that have came about?
Going to the moon, rocket ships, being able to send an instant message across the world.
PS, in Isaiah, there is talk of a person called the Son of the Morning star too.
The Fall of Lucifer
12 “ How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
New King James
[Edited on 7/31/2008 9:08 PM]
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| Aug 1 @ 4:51 AM |
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Thor1960303
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Katt,
This is what that verse is actually talking about:
Remember the alternative explanation of Isa. 14 and "how thou art fallen, oh Lucifer, (light Bringer-Venus precedes sunrise), thou bright and morning star," (Venus). Remember how Venus appears to rise and then descends back into the earth and how this IS the origin of the story of Satan's fall for trying to ascend to God's Throne, which is astro-theologically NOON. Everyone sees "Satan fall as lightening from heaven" at one time or another during the year if you know what Venus looks like just before Sun rise on the Horus-sun, or even shortly after Sun-Set.
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I wanna be the "moon" god.
Check out my butt.....
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| Aug 1 @ 8:06 PM |
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kattsmeow
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Yes, I have read that Thor.
Since most cultures have a belief in some kind of God, does that mean that the law of nature is true? That we all of a common ground?
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| Aug 3 @ 4:20 PM |
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Angel54214
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This thread made me think of one particular scipture...
1Cor. 15:
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
And as like Daniel said, "they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever."
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| Aug 4 @ 9:56 AM |
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Thor1960303
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Since most cultures have a belief in some kind of God, does that mean that the law of nature is true? That we all of a common ground?
I think the common ground in all religion and true spirituality should be the golden rule. If more people of ALL faiths practiced this and preached and fought less, we would all be better off.
It matters not what theology you subscribe to if your motivation is love for your fellow human and to practice kindness. If your motivation is fanatical devotion to dogma, then kindness and charity get skewed and everyone suffers, 
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